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    if i wanted to start powerlifting....


    what would be good numbers at 198lb or 220lb class?. right now im 22 and can probably do 405 bench maybe more?? 475-500 squat and 450 deadlift. these are estimations based on what i maxed a while ago and what i was working out with compared to what im working out with right now.

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    Hell if you're lifting numbers like that then you should probably be already competing or giving advice instead of taking it
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    Bench is great, but you will really need to work on getting your squat and dead closer to the 600 mark esp in the 220 weight class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    what would be good numbers at 198lb or 220lb class?. right now im 22 and can probably do 405 bench maybe more?? 475-500 squat and 450 deadlift. these are estimations based on what i maxed a while ago and what i was working out with compared to what im working out with right now.
    Check the US powerlifting websites for records and lift totals, I'm nearly 40 and in my weight class (180) bench Pa. record is 408, not sure on other lifts, I did see a 535lb bench in the open class at 165, that is a ton of weight at 165. Your numbers seem good, it's all a matter of roid testing in the events you enter. If you are clean and others are not you may look like a weakling...it's that ridiculous, all the hard work we do and the juicers show up and blow your lifts out of the water. I've done it both ways and gotten beat when I was clean by guys that said they never touched real gear and their arms were 19" ripped and I looked scrawny....good luck and keep us posted, Kish
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    what would be good numbers at 198lb or 220lb class?. right now im 22 and can probably do 405 bench maybe more?? 475-500 squat and 450 deadlift. these are estimations based on what i maxed a while ago and what i was working out with compared to what im working out with right now.
    You could do well. With those numbers though it seems like your deadlift should be higher? There are several good powerlifters here who could help you figure out what is competitive: guyfromkop2, Beelzebub, Exnihilo, Poobah, etc.

    On the other hand, if you are interested in Ribbon dancing lessons we have a resident expert on our board, direct all questions to Natedogg
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    thanks for the posts. yeah my deadlift should be higher but my grip sucks. i just started working on it so hopefully it will go up soon. i was thinking of trying a competition out later this summer. need to find where one is but ill keep yall up dated.
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    2xBW bench, 3xBW Squat/DL will be competitive in most meets. Your pretty close to those now, like others said if you get your lifts up around 600 you'll do well. When I lifted at 198 I totalled in the mid 1500s and won most of the meets I entered.

    DL can win meets, if you get your DL way up you can be behind and then stomp everyone at the end. You can go into DL 100lbs back, pull 650 and all of a sudden you win!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    2xBW bench, 3xBW Squat/DL will be competitive in most meets. Your pretty close to those now, like others said if you get your lifts up around 600 you'll do well. When I lifted at 198 I totalled in the mid 1500s and won most of the meets I entered.

    DL can win meets, if you get your DL way up you can be behind and then stomp everyone at the end. You can go into DL 100lbs back, pull 650 and all of a sudden you win!

    its always nice to know you can pull that much. just becuase of the situation you were talking about. it seems that if i could get my bench to about 450 squat to about 600 and dead to 600 i could do decent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    its always nice to know you can pull that much. just becuase of the situation you were talking about. it seems that if i could get my bench to about 450 squat to about 600 and dead to 600 i could do decent.
    I wouldn't even worry about your bench to much, 405 is going to be a good lift in comp, 45lbs doesn't get you much in a meet, where 300lbs on your squat/DL completely changes the scenery! What fed do you plan on doing a meet? If you know, you should look into the rules, especially for gear, if you go to a comp that allows double ply and your going raw, you'll get blown out of the water. Are you training with a shirt, suit now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    I wouldn't even worry about your bench to much, 405 is going to be a good lift in comp, 45lbs doesn't get you much in a meet, where 300lbs on your squat/DL completely changes the scenery! What fed do you plan on doing a meet? If you know, you should look into the rules, especially for gear, if you go to a comp that allows double ply and your going raw, you'll get blown out of the water. Are you training with a shirt, suit now?
    no im just raw right now. i just like to see that high number on bench. ego thing. yeah my main concern is squat and dead right now though. i have no idea what fed im going to do just started to think about powerlifting this past week im doing some research right now. but what do yall think is the best fed to get into?
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    Pecs try www.usapowerlifting.com a good site to get acquainted with some of the numbers...some are ridiculous...good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kish
    Pecs try www.usapowerlifting.com a good site to get acquainted with some of the numbers...some are ridiculous...good luck
    thanks. these numbers are with gear right?
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    you've got some good numbers right off the bat. ever try any gear?

    and any number you see are equipted lifts. unless it's the 100% raw fed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    you've got some good numbers right off the bat. ever try any gear?

    and any number you see are equipted lifts. unless it's the 100% raw fed.
    nope never used any gear. ive always just went raw. i did a couple comps when i was about 15 but everything i entered was raw. i wouldnt know what gear to get so i just stay raw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    nope never used any gear. ive always just went raw. i did a couple comps when i was about 15 but everything i entered was raw. i wouldnt know what gear to get so i just stay raw.

    find yourself a gym with some plers in it, where are you from?
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    find yourself a gym with some plers in it, where are you from?
    right now i go to UNC chapel hill so i live near campus. got one more year left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    right now i go to UNC chapel hill so i live near campus. got one more year left.

    there are A TON of plers in north carolina, you could probably find a gym really easy with some world class lifters in there. makes a huge difference in training. if you're interested in finding a gym let me know and i can probably help you out. i know a couple guys down that way
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    there are A TON of plers in north carolina, you could probably find a gym really easy with some world class lifters in there. makes a huge difference in training. if you're interested in finding a gym let me know and i can probably help you out. i know a couple guys down that way
    that sounds great. but i wrestle for unc right now. so before i can start going to a gym i have to finish my last year of wrestling. so if i can just get my numbers up by myself then by next summer i should be ready to jump into powerlifting full force.
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    Most of the main stream feds are Single ply gear, if they are Raw they will say because they are not as popular. In other words yes you can assume they are using gear. Here's another site for ya

    http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    Most of the main stream feds are Single ply gear, if they are Raw they will say because they are not as popular. In other words yes you can assume they are using gear. Here's another site for ya

    http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/
    sounds good thanks for the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    Most of the main stream feds are Single ply gear, if they are Raw they will say because they are not as popular. In other words yes you can assume they are using gear. Here's another site for ya

    http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/

    unless you do aapf/apf, then anything's legal
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    unless you do aapf/apf, then anything's legal
    Man, I've been out this game for to long, seems every meet I look into is single ply only.
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    if i started using gear how much does it add? couple hundred or around 50-100?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    if i started using gear how much does it add? couple hundred or around 50-100?
    honestly man it all depends on a lot of factors like how many ply's, bench shirt, squat suit, poly, denim, canvis, any combo of that and how well you know how to use it.
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    alright i look into them but for now i think ill stay raw until i can concentrate 100% on powerlifting. thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    alright i look into them but for now i think ill stay raw until i can concentrate 100% on powerlifting. thanks

    i just started getting into gear and when you get into gear though i'd HIGHLY suggest finding someone that knows what they are doing, you can really hurt yourself bad, especially with a bench shirt, if you dont know what you're doing. the first time i used a double ply rage x(bench shirt) i got about 120lbs out of my bench, second time i used it i got 140, and that's with me barely know what i'm doing. single ply hardcore suit(squat suit) i got about 40lbs but that was after benching and pullin deads the day before. gear is a whole new ballgame. but you may want to start using knee wraps though, when squatting heavy they are a good thing to have, and i hope you have wrist wraps
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    i just started getting into gear and when you get into gear though i'd HIGHLY suggest finding someone that knows what they are doing, you can really hurt yourself bad, especially with a bench shirt, if you dont know what you're doing. the first time i used a double ply rage x(bench shirt) i got about 120lbs out of my bench, second time i used it i got 140, and that's with me barely know what i'm doing. single ply hardcore suit(squat suit) i got about 40lbs but that was after benching and pullin deads the day before. gear is a whole new ballgame. but you may want to start using knee wraps though, when squatting heavy they are a good thing to have, and i hope you have wrist wraps
    yeah before i use anything i will find someone to instruct me on proper use. but it sounds like i could add some serious poundage if i learned how to use them. but no i dont have wrist wraps. when my grip stats sucking i use straps thats about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    if i started using gear how much does it add? couple hundred or around 50-100?
    Regardless of what fed you will ultimately join, I would start with Single ply because it is the easiest to learn, later then you could move on. Especially the shirt can be a learning experience! My raw bench was 425 and with a single ply Titan I can't touch my chest with anything less than 450! I haven't tried 500 yet (tore a pec) but from what I've seen you can get 75-100lbs from a single ply, if you use it correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pecs=sexs
    yeah before i use anything i will find someone to instruct me on proper use. but it sounds like i could add some serious poundage if i learned how to use them. but no i dont have wrist wraps. when my grip stats sucking i use straps thats about it.
    i'd get some wrist wraps for your bench at least. cuts down on wrist pain plus it's just safer, especially since you are benching heavier.
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    ok well i think ill get some wrist wraps. i woulod probably help any ways b/c i broke my wrist a couple years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    Regardless of what fed you will ultimately join, I would start with Single ply because it is the easiest to learn, later then you could move on. Especially the shirt can be a learning experience! My raw bench was 425 and with a single ply Titan I can't touch my chest with anything less than 450! I haven't tried 500 yet (tore a pec) but from what I've seen you can get 75-100lbs from a single ply, if you use it correctly.
    ok thats what i will probably do then to learn how everything works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    I wouldn't even worry about your bench to much, 405 is going to be a good lift in comp, 45lbs doesn't get you much in a meet, where 300lbs on your squat/DL completely changes the scenery! What fed do you plan on doing a meet? If you know, you should look into the rules, especially for gear, if you go to a comp that allows double ply and your going raw, you'll get blown out of the water. Are you training with a shirt, suit now?
    Basso is on the money. Get that deadlift up into the 600's, with a squat to match. Seems you are very close with the bench (for 198) and with a shirt and training you should be knocking on 500.
    But remember, "The meet doesn't end till the bar hits the floor," or something like that. I've seen guys very competitive that were weak on the bench. Never seen anyone competitive with just a good bench, unless it's a bench only meet.
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    They are all different ,you will see a section somewhere that says lifetime drug free...seems improbable, but I do know some guys that have never tried any roids, but technically some of these prohormones and other supps would knock these guys out of that catagory...I will do a little more research with some friends who are competing...I still have 408 hanging over my head...contest is in Oct, I turn 40 in Sept...then I will be considered a "master"...the Pa record for 180 is 408 as far as I can find , I'm just a couple pounds away and hopefully will make it...keep in touch...Kish
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    You mentioned grip is your weak point on dead lifts...

    And lucky for you that is something you can fix in rather quick fashion.

    One day do:

    4 sets of BB static holds (double over grip)

    Basically load up the bar on a rack, chalk up... and pick the bar up and hold it until your grip fails.. time should be between 10-30 seconds. Do it 4 times.

    Then later in the week do:

    4 sets of plate pinches

    basically using old fashion iron weights you put the smooth sides together, then you grip them and hold them as long as you can... if you can hold them longer then 30 seconds you need to use bigger plates or slide another plate in the middle.

    or you could use Grippers.. (those things you squeeze in your hand).. they come in 100, 150, 200, 250, and 300 pound tensions... again do 4 sets, of which ever one you can squeeze for at least 10-30 seconds.

    you do that ****, and you will very quickly see an improvement. plus it will toughen up your hands... I'm assuming you don't wear gloves cause if you do... loose them.

    ANd bump on the wrist wraps.. get 24" wraps. they will save your wrists and add stability to your bench.

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    and Big Casino thanks for mentioning me as a powerlifter.. That was flattering.. lol. But I have lot to learn.

    But I'm damn close to a 600 pound dead lift soon.
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    Some good advice Poobah, I love those static holds, when ever my DL gets ahead of my grip I do those (lift about 1inch off the rack) and in a couple months my grip is not an issue!

    Another thing you can do is lose the straps completly for awhile, always squeeze the bar, especially when doing Squats and BP and other heavy movements. I got some of these tips when I was young and grip has never been a major issue for me, now if I can just get the bar to move
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    or switch to hook grip
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poobah
    You mentioned grip is your weak point on dead lifts...

    And lucky for you that is something you can fix in rather quick fashion.

    One day do:

    4 sets of BB static holds (double over grip)

    Basically load up the bar on a rack, chalk up... and pick the bar up and hold it until your grip fails.. time should be between 10-30 seconds. Do it 4 times.

    Then later in the week do:

    4 sets of plate pinches

    basically using old fashion iron weights you put the smooth sides together, then you grip them and hold them as long as you can... if you can hold them longer then 30 seconds you need to use bigger plates or slide another plate in the middle.

    or you could use Grippers.. (those things you squeeze in your hand).. they come in 100, 150, 200, 250, and 300 pound tensions... again do 4 sets, of which ever one you can squeeze for at least 10-30 seconds.

    you do that ****, and you will very quickly see an improvement. plus it will toughen up your hands... I'm assuming you don't wear gloves cause if you do... loose them.

    ANd bump on the wrist wraps.. get 24" wraps. they will save your wrists and add stability to your bench.

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    and Big Casino thanks for mentioning me as a powerlifter.. That was flattering.. lol. But I have lot to learn.

    But I'm damn close to a 600 pound dead lift soon.
    thanks i will add that in because my grip does suck.. i think if it were better i could pull close to 500. my grip is that bad. but thanks for the advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    or switch to hook grip
    i tried that it felt like my thumb was going to break off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Basso
    Some good advice Poobah, I love those static holds, when ever my DL gets ahead of my grip I do those (lift about 1inch off the rack) and in a couple months my grip is not an issue!

    Another thing you can do is lose the straps completly for awhile, always squeeze the bar, especially when doing Squats and BP and other heavy movements. I got some of these tips when I was young and grip has never been a major issue for me, now if I can just get the bar to move
    i try not to use the straps but some times i have to.... i need to get a good leg work out.
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