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  1. Respectable numbers for a beginner.


    Hello. I am 25 at 200lbs

    I am pretty new to lifting in general, and the three main lifts in particular.
    I just got to the point where I can put three plates (315) on the DL, squat, and BP.
    The good news is, every time I touch the bar, I hit a PR.

    I am interested in entering a PL meet. Mainly to get a feel for what it will be like, connect with the community, and to provide motivation.

    My question is this. What are respectable numbers for a first timer in my weight class? The sort of numbers that would at least not leave be dead last out of everyone attending?


  2. Lil tip, not just in lifting but for life. Always strive for YOUR best. Dont worry about others.
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  3. Thanks for that Confucius, but people compete for a reason, and its not just about the money.
    I know my PRs. I know beating those are important. But there is more to be gained when joining the competitive community, even when starting low on the rung.

  4. Everyone has a different view of what respectable numbers are. For 220 (198 class if you drop 2lbs), a 315 bench is good, but definetly not a 315 squat/deadlift.

    Get on a proven program and have your form assessed by someone who knows what they're doing. Technique will be king, followed by training, diet, and enough rest. Might I suggest Wendler's 5/3/1 (5/3/1 for Powerlifting and/or Beyond 5/3/1) OR Brandon Lilly's Cube Kingpin (Book is called 365Strong)

    www.powerliftingwatch.com will display a meet schedule for whatever state you live in.

    You're first question, "What are respectable numbers?", is the wrong first question.

    The first question should be "How can I get stronger?"

    Don't worry about everyone else. Everybody at meets are respectable and helpful to beginners.
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  5. But I know you won't be satisfied with that answer so here's your answer:

    http://www.criticalbench.com/powerli...ifications.htm

    Strive for the Elite category. It will be difficult to achieve, but you're good sht if you achieve it.

    Also, powerlifting watch maintains a segment of all records: tested, untested, equipped, knee wraps, and without knee wraps
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  6. Thanks.
    Though getting stronger is the easy part. as a beginner, that seems to be coming easy and fast.

    As far as my program, I utilize a combo between Doggcrap and Chaos and Pain.
    Basically, I go to the gym, pick 1-3 movements, hit PRs for those, and then train them for as much weight and as many sets of 1-5 reps as I can within an hour timeframe.
    And lift at least 6 times a week.

  7. I thought chaos and pain was a supplement company
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Sean1332 View Post
    I thought chaos and pain was a supplement company
    If I recall correctly the program is basically an obscene amount of singles or double with short blocks of insane volume, 15 sets of 15 deadlifts and stuff.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by DoctorViking View Post
    Hello. I am 25 at 200lbs

    I am pretty new to lifting in general, and the three main lifts in particular.
    I just got to the point where I can put three plates (315) on the DL, squat, and BP.
    The good news is, every time I touch the bar, I hit a PR.

    I am interested in entering a PL meet. Mainly to get a feel for what it will be like, connect with the community, and to provide motivation.

    My question is this. What are respectable numbers for a first timer in my weight class? The sort of numbers that would at least not leave be dead last out of everyone attending?
    who cares what your "placing" is........get your numbers at your first meet, after that if you just add 1# to your PR you are getting stronger...that's all that matters........

  10. Getting stronger is only the easy part for a few months to a year. Then it comes down to bloody hard work and honest introspection. That's why you hear these guys telling you to focus on PRs. When a lift gets stuck for 6 months and you finally bust it, you won't care what the world champion does, you'll just be happy you finally scored another victory over the iron.
    Training log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html

  11. Can you lift a barbell? Okay you qualify to do a meet. Most guys seem to respect anyone who is willing to put it on the line.

    If you are really worried check the federation and meet results. Sometimes 1100 will win the 198s, and sometimes it is 1500. You will enter novice and likely have little to no competition.

    It is odd your max is the same on all 3. Get on a balanced program as mentioned bc you may lack symmetry in your workouts.
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  12. Yeah bro, don't worry about what other people do

    When doing something for material gain, you activate the nucleus accumbens in your brain. That's essentially the pleasure center in the brain, but it requires ever increasing amounts of stimulation and is generally harder to activate than other parts. Doing something for fun, however, activates the posterior superior temporal sulcus, which is the part of the brain responsible for social interactions (also known as the altruism center), in addition to biological movement. They can't function at the same time, so you basically have to pick activating one and sticking with it. (Jamie Lewis)

    So just enjoy your training and you'll be embarrassing people at meets in no time

  13. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    Yeah bro, don't worry about what other people do

    When doing something for material gain, you activate the nucleus accumbens in your brain. That's essentially the pleasure center in the brain, but it requires ever increasing amounts of stimulation and is generally harder to activate than other parts. Doing something for fun, however, activates the posterior superior temporal sulcus, which is the part of the brain responsible for social interactions (also known as the altruism center), in addition to biological movement. They can't function at the same time, so you basically have to pick activating one and sticking with it. (Jamie Lewis)

    So just enjoy your training and you'll be embarrassing people at meets in no time
    Psychologist?
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  14. nah bro just a nerd
    job is a unix guy for a government business

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    nah bro just a nerd job is a unix guy for a government business
    Yeah, just a record holding nerd! Also the main author of chaos and pain, which was previously mentioned in the thread.

  16. Oh I was talking about myself then, assuming the guy was asking if I was a psych
    The citation is Jamie Lewis, who in turn cited Brafman, Ori and Rom Brafman. Sway: The Irresistible Pull of Irrational Behavior.
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  17. A general rule to be competitive at meets is to

    Bench 2 times ur weight
    Squat 2.5 times
    DL 2.5-3 times

  18. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    A general rule to be competitive at meets is to

    Bench 2 times ur weight
    Squat 2.5 times
    DL 2.5-3 times
    Maybe if you weigh 148 or the meet you're doing is a world championship with cash prizes.
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/240172-herders-2014-log.html

  19. He did say competitive

  20. James Henderson, first man to bench press 700 pounds raw, not competitive in meets because he didn't bench twice his bodyweight? PLWatch lists 58 men who have benched 600lbs. One of the true great feats in powerlifting. 40% of them didn't bench twice their bodyweight. Not competitive?
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  21. The OP weighs 200lb
    What the **** has James Henderson got to do with anything?

  22. Why do we answer questions with questions?
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  23. Okay, so OP weighs 200. How many 198s bench over 4 raw? That's elite. Which means that 1% of competitive powerlifters will hit that number, or that there would be approximately twenty-odd people in a given year that hit that number to competition standards. There are far more than twenty meets a year. So if you bench 400 in a competition at 198 and take second place, you either live close to one of the baddest benchers on the planet, or you went to a big meet (national or worlds).

    If you show up and bench 350 at 198, you're probably gonna win the bench. But if you show up and hit double bodyweight at SHW, 308, 275, 242, anywhere in there, you win or are on the podium every single meet you enter, no matter who shows up. I guess it comes down to what you consider competitive.

    Basically, anyone can compete in powerlifting. It's about PRs, beating yourself. Don't tell a guy he won't be competitive until he adds 100lbs to each lift, that's discouraging from going on the platform and shrinking the sport.
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  24. ah **** it, I have better things to do than debate pointless **** online

  25. Quote Originally Posted by AlexPowell View Post
    What the **** has James Henderson got to do with anything?
    "A general rule to be competitive is... a double bodyweight bench."

    James Henderson held the world record for eight years with a less than double bodyweight bench.

    I've won two meets with a less than double bodyweight bench, less than 2.5x bodyweight squat, and a less than 2.5x bodyweight deadlift. If I had those specs at 220, I'd be five pounds from totaling elite. Elite is, as I mentioned, 1% of competitive powerlifters. If there were 300 people in my weight class in every meet, then yes, those numbers would be accurate.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post
    Okay, so OP weighs 200. How many 198s bench over 4 raw? That's elite. Which means that 1% of competitive powerlifters will hit that number, or that there would be approximately twenty-odd people in a given year that hit that number to competition standards. There are far more than twenty meets a year. So if you bench 400 in a competition at 198 and take second place, you either live close to one of the baddest benchers on the planet, or you went to a big meet (national or worlds).

    If you show up and bench 350 at 198, you're probably gonna win the bench. But if you show up and hit double bodyweight at SHW, 308, 275, 242, anywhere in there, you win or are on the podium every single meet you enter, no matter who shows up. I guess it comes down to what you consider competitive.

    Basically, anyone can compete in powerlifting. It's about PRs, beating yourself. Don't tell a guy he won't be competitive until he adds 100lbs to each lift, that's discouraging from going on the platform and shrinking the sport.
    Several 198's bench over 400. Its pretty common.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Several 198's bench over 400. Its pretty common.
    I think we're too far apart on our definitions of common and competitive to come to an agreement on the specs, at least not without a lot of haggling and trivial frustration.

    Hopefully I can break into some of those numbers, gunning for my first 2.5xbw squat and pull this weekend, definitely gonna take both for a ride at the very least! If I get a double bodyweight bench in the next few years, I'd consider myself well ahead of schedule on my progress.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by herderdude View Post

    I think we're too far apart on our definitions of common and competitive to come to an agreement on the specs, at least not without a lot of haggling and trivial frustration.

    Hopefully I can break into some of those numbers, gunning for my first 2.5xbw squat and pull this weekend, definitely gonna take both for a ride at the very least! If I get a double bodyweight bench in the next few years, I'd consider myself well ahead of schedule on my progress.
    Perhaps. I'm just goin by what I've seen at local PL meets and what I'm exposed to in the gym.

    But here in the South is a bunch of corn fed behemoths. Its common place to see all the state & national records held by Tennessean's. I'm fairly average in my strength being able to bench 300+ @ 175. There r plenty of other guys 10-20lbs less than me that lift more than that.

    DL is even more drastic around here. I have a friend that pulled 520 @ 178lbs with terrible form, zero strength training and was at the time about 21yrs old.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by DoctorViking View Post
    Hello. I am 25 at 200lbs

    I am pretty new to lifting in general, and the three main lifts in particular.
    I just got to the point where I can put three plates (315) on the DL, squat, and BP.
    The good news is, every time I touch the bar, I hit a PR.

    I am interested in entering a PL meet. Mainly to get a feel for what it will be like, connect with the community, and to provide motivation.

    My question is this. What are respectable numbers for a first timer in my weight class? The sort of numbers that would at least not leave be dead last out of everyone attending?
    http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLi...hStandards.htm

    As others have mentioned, lift for yourself, but if your worried about coming in last in a meet the charts in the above link should add some goals to shoot for to ease that worry.

    Having goals are good but how you place at an event really comes down to who shows up that day honestly
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