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    Quote Originally Posted by James Fuller View Post
    ok heres what my friend did at his last meet in september. i competed in the same meet. hes 18, just graduated hs this year. 198 raw class. 560/360/540. Him and me are still considered new. weve barely been doing this for just over a year. We both win all the time around here, but if we were to venture out our numbers would get stomped. So i consider his numbers competitive for a 198 guy, and i consider mine competitive for a 165 guy. which we are both still considered beginners.
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    He may be "new" to competing, but he also totals just under elite (something like 11 pounds under @ Open Raw 198). Totaling elite is definitely not what it takes to be competitive at most meets (that's why it's called elite, not average).

    Most people that compete do not have elite totals, hell I could take all of the APF TX Records at 198 and still not have an elite total. So, using someone with an elite (or damn near) total (even if they've only competed a few times) is definitely not picking the average lifter at 198.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    http://www.powerliftingwatch.com/node/1793

    He may be "new" to competing, but he also totals just under elite (something like 11 pounds under @ Open Raw 198). Totaling elite is definitely not what it takes to be competitive at most meets (that's why it's called elite, not average).

    Most people that compete do not have elite totals, hell I could take all of the APF TX Records at 198 and still not have an elite total. So, using someone with an elite (or damn near) total (even if they've only competed a few times) is definitely not picking the average lifter at 198.
    I understand what your saying, as i pointed out that 2nd post, I compete around some freaks, so now i realize what you guys are talking about. almost everyone that competes around here is close to an elite total. so i retract my statement on those numbers to be competitive. Those are numbers you need to be competitive around here
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    2 of the 198lb guys i watch compete are my friend, and then ibn mahama. who just got picked up by animal. their numbers are pretty similar, but ibn pulls away with his bench alot of the time. randy can keep up on squat if he has a good day and is getting close on dl
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    Well maybe I was wrong about my "off the cuff" response to round about figures. You guys took it to heart I think. For years I was 150 - 165lbs so tbose numbers were required based on the PL meets I went to in order to just place. 1.8 on bench is fair, and 2 times ur BW on squats and DL is good too.

    So I guess the south has stronger guys because it really is somewhat common to see between 2 & 3 times the bodyweight moved, raw. Now, it is rare to see a fella have all three of those numbers but easy to find guys that rock one or two of those lifts around here. I dont even do PL and never had, and by ya'll standard of measurement I'm 175lbs away from world class strength. Time to start strength training I guess since I'm already so close.

    I'm really sorry to offend u guys. The other piece of advice I have for u is to not compete in TN otherwise a serious amount of disappointment might await u with a 4 - 5.5x's lift.

    I hope this means that ya'll can stop being a-holes to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Fuller View Post

    I understand what your saying, as i pointed out that 2nd post, I compete around some freaks, so now i realize what you guys are talking about. almost everyone that competes around here is close to an elite total. so i retract my statement on those numbers to be competitive. Those are numbers you need to be competitive around here
    And I say the same.
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    I always thought of Tennessee as the closest thing to Russia in the USA...
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Fuller View Post
    I understand what your saying, as i pointed out that 2nd post, I compete around some freaks, so now i realize what you guys are talking about. almost everyone that competes around here is close to an elite total. so i retract my statement on those numbers to be competitive. Those are numbers you need to be competitive around here
    lol. you totally live in a rough area if you want to be top dog. you should move down near me and you would crush people!!
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    APF Tennessee State Records

    Mens Open Raw 198

    Jim Shipley 475/330/515 1320 Total


    These numbers are a great deal short of what some people have painted the TN PLing climate to be.

    And, since these are the state records, it would be fair to assume that no one in the state of TN has competed in the APF with better lifts than these. Which means, that most people in TN (who compete APF) do not have an elite total at 198, AND more importantly, that it doesn't take a 7.5x BW total to be competitive in TN. (because the guy with ALL of the records had lower than that).



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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    APF Tennessee State Records

    Mens Open Raw 198

    Jim Shipley 475/330/515 1320 Total


    These numbers are a great deal short of what some people have painted the TN PLing climate to be.

    And, since these are the state records, it would be fair to assume that no one in the state of TN has competed in the APF with better lifts than these. Which means, that most people in TN (who compete APF) do not have an elite total at 198, AND more importantly, that it doesn't take a 7.5x BW total to be competitive in TN. (because the guy with ALL of the records had lower than that).



    Check and mate.
    im guessing there also may be other feds in your area? i know around here 100% raw, AAU, and USAPL are the big ones. other feds really dont have meets around here at all. i dont think APF or even APA have any meets in my state. i have training partners that compete in 1 or 2 feds but not all of them mainly due to rules and not so much competition. i do AAU but i dislike their bench flat foot rubbish lol. im looking at switching feds just for that. who knows, maybe i will to get a lot stronger once i do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post

    im guessing there also may be other feds in your area? i know around here 100% raw, AAU, and USAPL are the big ones. other feds really dont have meets around here at all. i dont think APF or even APA have any meets in my state. i have training partners that compete in 1 or 2 feds but not all of them mainly due to rules and not so much competition. i do AAU but i dislike their bench flat foot rubbish lol. im looking at switching feds just for that. who knows, maybe i will to get a lot stronger once i do that.
    The meets I went to r SLP (Son light powerlifting). The guy that hosted this org is finished though. He got really sick and shut down his own operation. Anyways, his website may still be up but the numbers those guys put up were astounding, particularly in Tennessee/Mississippi area.

    The 165 class TN state record was 420 for bench and over 500 for DL and squats.

    It only got worse as you went upwards in weight class. The guy claimed to drug test, but it wasnt drug tested at all. Every guy I knew that did the meet was on Test/Tren combo with an oral usually. Its like JudoJosh said earlier it just depends on who shows up that day. If the guys I know show up, there isnt any hope for an above average lifter.

    I know another fella that weighs 215 and bench presses 515lbs for 4-6 reps (not natural). And I can think of a third fella in my gym that moves almost 600lbs DL weighing in at 195lbs, raw and natty. Ridiculous...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    The meets I went to r SLP (Son light powerlifting). The guy that hosted this org is finished though. He got really sick and shut down his own operation. Anyways, his website may still be up but the numbers those guys put up were astounding, particularly in Tennessee/Mississippi area.

    The 165 class TN state record was 420 for bench and over 500 for DL and squats.

    It only got worse as you went upwards in weight class. The guy claimed to drug test, but it wasnt drug tested at all. Every guy I knew that did the meet was on Test/Tren combo with an oral usually. Its like JudoJosh said earlier it just depends on who shows up that day. If the guys I know show up, there isnt any hope for an above average lifter.

    I know another fella that weighs 215 and bench presses 515lbs for 4-6 reps (not natural). And I can think of a third fella in my gym that moves almost 600lbs DL weighing in at 195lbs, raw and natty. Ridiculous...
    I appreciate the fact that you stopped down playing people's feats of strength in this post(100%srs). Also drugs make a difference as well(just agreeing). I compete in a drug tested federation and that makes things different than untested divisions around here(PA). Granted there are still strong ass mofos, but they are not the norm. I saw a SHW open at 610 and just barely miss lockout on 645, a 181 deadlift 500(other lifts not as impressive...and that isn't to make fun), and even a 198er bench 405

    But to act like that is just okay really downplays their hard work. This should all be a brother hood where all of us encourage each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rob112 View Post

    I appreciate the fact that you stopped down playing people's feats of strength in this post(100%srs). Also drugs make a difference as well(just agreeing). I compete in a drug tested federation and that makes things different than untested divisions around here(PA). Granted there are still strong ass mofos, but they are not the norm. I saw a SHW open at 610 and just barely miss lockout on 645, a 181 deadlift 500(other lifts not as impressive...and that isn't to make fun), and even a 198er bench 405

    But to act like that is just okay really downplays their hard work. This should all be a brother hood where all of us encourage each other.

    TL;dr
    Cliffs-I actually appreciate this post of yours.
    For what its worth, I'm very new to the PL scene. I was introduced to working out again years ago by a 308 PL'er who was my boss at the time. Granted, he wasnt natty but could DL 700+. Heck he curled 225, lol.

    Anyways, I never got into it because SLP was the ones I went to and saw the records for state and national levels and viewed them as impractical and basically though you had to be genetically blessed with unreal strength to compete in this sport - so I went BB'ing instead due to my short stature and round muscle bellies. The other supporting factor for my decision was that I constantly saw super human strength in the gym on a somewhat regular basis. Surrounded by gearheads and record holding PL'ers, I just assumed that 2+ ur weight in everything was acceptible strength to compete.

    So now I'm starting a 5/3/1 routine for the first time ever. Napalm has been coercing me into strength training so I thought I might try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    So now I'm starting a 5/3/1 routine for the first time ever. Napalm has been coercing me into strength training so I thought I might try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    For what its worth, I'm very new to the PL scene. I was introduced to working out again years ago by a 308 PL'er who was my boss at the time. Granted, he wasnt natty but could DL 700+. Heck he curled 225, lol.

    Anyways, I never got into it because SLP was the ones I went to and saw the records for state and national levels and viewed them as impractical and basically though you had to be genetically blessed with unreal strength to compete in this sport - so I went BB'ing instead due to my short stature and round muscle bellies. The other supporting factor for my decision was that I constantly saw super human strength in the gym on a somewhat regular basis. Surrounded by gearheads and record holding PL'ers, I just assumed that 2+ ur weight in everything was acceptible strength to compete.

    So now I'm starting a 5/3/1 routine for the first time ever. Napalm has been coercing me into strength training so I thought I might try it.
    Well training in a scene like that can only help. Very cool stuff.

    5/3/1 is one of the most proven programs there is. You can still keep the accessory with some bodybuilding. You just get stronger.

    I personally think bodybuilders and powerlifters should at the minimum respect each other and be humble towards each other. Both are hard and take there own mental and physical aspects that deserve respect. We are all brothers of iron and we both train.
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    Life is over as you know it. Soon, all of your dreams will be narrated by Jim wendler...
    And so u know, I did legs last night and with wrong calculations lol. Forgot to do the 90% of true 1RM so I basically did 3X5 of 65/75/85% of my true 1RM.

    ....Then I banged out 1 x 50 reps on leg press, lol. My bodybuilding tendencies r strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post

    im guessing there also may be other feds in your area? i know around here 100% raw, AAU, and USAPL are the big ones. other feds really dont have meets around here at all. i dont think APF or even APA have any meets in my state. i have training partners that compete in 1 or 2 feds but not all of them mainly due to rules and not so much competition. i do AAU but i dislike their bench flat foot rubbish lol. im looking at switching feds just for that. who knows, maybe i will to get a lot stronger once i do that.
    I live in TX, and only ever competed APF. I know there are USAPL meets in my area, but other than that I couldn't say.

    I assume APF is active in most states as the WPC is a fairly large PLing Fed.
    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    The meets I went to r SLP (Son light powerlifting). The guy that hosted this org is finished though. He got really sick and shut down his own operation. Anyways, his website may still be up but the numbers those guys put up were astounding, particularly in Tennessee/Mississippi area.

    The 165 class TN state record was 420 for bench and over 500 for DL and squats.

    It only got worse as you went upwards in weight class. The guy claimed to drug test, but it wasnt drug tested at all. Every guy I knew that did the meet was on Test/Tren combo with an oral usually. Its like JudoJosh said earlier it just depends on who shows up that day. If the guys I know show up, there isnt any hope for an above average lifter.

    I know another fella that weighs 215 and bench presses 515lbs for 4-6 reps (not natural). And I can think of a third fella in my gym that moves almost 600lbs DL weighing in at 195lbs, raw and natty. Ridiculous...
    APF is also completely untested, they do not even claim to test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    And so u know, I did legs last night and with wrong calculations lol. Forgot to do the 90% of true 1RM so I basically did 3X5 of 65/75/85% of my true 1RM. ....Then I banged out 1 x 50 reps on leg press, lol. My bodybuilding tendencies r strong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbuick View Post
    APF is also completely untested, they do not even claim to test.
    I should make a bumper sticker that says: 'this is the APF son, if you ain't pinning, you ain't winning.'

    I'm sure mike Sweeney would appreciate that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by napalm View Post

    I should make a bumper sticker that says: 'this is the APF son, if you ain't pinning, you ain't winning.'

    I'm sure mike Sweeney would appreciate that...
    Lol, thats catchy. Will make use of the template..
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    Heres Texas state records for USPA Raw (no wraps)



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    90kg/198.2lb Squat 287.5 633.82 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013

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    Bench 172.5 380.29 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013

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    Deadlift 290 639.33 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013

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    TOTAL 750 1653.45 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Fuller View Post
    Heres Texas state records for USPA Raw (no wraps)

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    90kg/198.2lb Squat 287.5 633.82 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013

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    Bench 172.5 380.29 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013

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    Deadlift 290 639.33 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013

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    TOTAL 750 1653.45 Chuck Krutulis 3/23/2013
    Thats over 8 times his weight. Thats what I had previously considered competitive on a state level...
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    Looks like Chuck Krutalis is a beast
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Thats over 8 times his weight. Thats what I had previously considered competitive on a state level...
    That's not competitive, that's the STATE RECORD. You certainly don't have to beat a record to compete and, though this might be obvious, almost everyone who enters any given competition loses. You're almost always competing to beat yourself, not anybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    And I can think of a third fella in my gym that moves almost 600lbs DL weighing in at 195lbs, raw and natty. Ridiculous...
    We workout at the same gym?

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    He's not lying.





    PL is a sport about bettering yourself in a competitive setting. Few people ever hold world records. There is always someone else out there better than you or getting ready to be better than you. It takes competitors to make a meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountryLiftin View Post

    We workout at the same gym?

    He's not lying.

    PL is a sport about bettering yourself in a competitive setting. Few people ever hold world records. There is always someone else out there better than you or getting ready to be better than you. It takes competitors to make a meet.
    Yeah I agree with that. I dont really have a personal goal yet for strength because I'm still bulking. Would like to get to 200lbs which is about 25lbs away. I guess when I get to that point I'd like to have something around a 1400lb cumulative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post

    Yeah I agree with that. I dont really have a personal goal yet for strength because I'm still bulking. Would like to get to 200lbs which is about 25lbs away. I guess when I get to that point I'd like to have something around a 1400lb cumulative.
    That would be a respectable total.
    Log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/226478-country-gets-huge.html#post3905023
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