Respectable numbers for a beginner.
- 12-15-2013, 04:18 AM
- 12-15-2013, 10:55 AM
now i have only done 5 powerlifting meets yet i have won my weight class at 3 of them and i dont hit those numbers. the largest meet i was at was a local meet with 73 lifters. the smallest was a state championship meet with 25. oh, and the state championship was won with a 1800 total and according to your recommendations that guy is not competitive. he was 350lbs shy of being competitive yet he is going to nationals next year. something seems a bit off.
i think someone is number numb here and competitive needs to be clarified. there are local/city meets, state level meets, national and world level meets. what i have seen win at local and state levels are closer to:
bench 1.5x BW
squat 1.5-2x BW
deadlift 2-2.5x BW
sure you can find examples of higher but i know you can examples of lower here as well. what is important is taking an average, or even a median. above what i listed is much closer to winning at nearly any weight class. and that is still decided upon who even shows up that day and not everyone wins. there is a reason why there are 6 classes of lifter rankings.
lets take a male 198lbs lifter. to get a class IV total he only needs 822. that is only a 4.15x BW total. a far less cry of the above recommended 7.5x BW. 7.5x BW would get the lifter 10lbs shy of elite. and elite is usually considered the top 1% or less of the world i better dam hope your competitive at that level. hell im winning meets at 5.65x my bodyweight.
so to wrap up, if you want to be the best in the world, aim for higher that the above recommended numbers. if you want to compete, sign up, compete and you are then a competitive powerlifter. and hopefully like all the meets i have been to you will realize that everyone is very supported of all lifters. from an 8yr old girl to a 73yr old man, to a handicapped lifter to someone that cant even lift their bodyweight to a monster with an 1800lbs total. you will see that when the effort is put forth everyone gets excited and roots for everyone even fellow competitors. hell at one meet i helped a guy wrap his knees and watched him go on to beat me. i was glad to do so as he got a PR that meet after an injury 6 months earlier. made a friend that day with that lifter too.you can call me "ozzie" for short.
- 12-15-2013, 11:20 AM
12-15-2013, 05:04 PM
So I guess I'm world class PL'er liftin around 1120lbs at 174lbs? Is that what ur sayin? There are sssooooooo many people that could piss on my numbers in a lighter class than me.
12-15-2013, 05:45 PM
114 = 7.04x BW
123 = 7.16
132 = 7.17
148 = 7.59
165 = 7.62
181 = 7.71
198 = 7.55
220 = 7.21
242 = 6.64
275 = 6.22
308 = 5.65
wow, at 7.5x BW you would part of the worlds elite at pretty much every weight class there is for a male. that sounds reasonable for the average person to reach, uuhmmm no it doesnt at all. even for people that train for years to reach that level there is a reason why elite is elite. its the best of the best. so your comment on being elite as a way to be competitive is so far off of realism its just sad. shows a massive skewed view of the real world. it also shows that you are just number numb. sure you know some strong guys. but is that an accurate representation of the competitive world of powerlifting, well the lifting classifications i posted prove that no, thats not the case at all. now you can argue with that but then you are arguing with an entire federation's standards and not mine. maybe you should start your own fed and start the bottom ratings as something like 7.0x BW totals and go up from there. and people that lift in that fed can then argue over what is strong or not. i'll stick to the what the other 99.999% of the world is doing in reality.
i think this is the point where several people prove you wrong and you try and backpedal. i rarely see your posts around here, at least in the sections i frequent, but when i do see them this is a common thing with you. totally off the wall, way out there posts that are so wrong you have to wonder if you are trolling due to the massive pile of wrong that is your posts.
if those people are pissing on your numbers at a lighter weight class, well that means that they would be a master or elite lifter. seeing as how they are a lighter weight class that is a good thing as they are totaling at a higher level than you are. what that has to do with anything is beyond me other than you grasping as straws. the only time you would compete with them at a meet is if you went to a USSF meet and yes, they are stronger so they would win. but then they use the Wilks score to decide the winner so they could lift less than you and still bet you, and therefore be stronger. more proof that this statement has no relevance to the topic at hand.
i think it is clear that anyone can be competitive at any level i am curious to see how the responses continue on here. for the many years i have frequented forums it is pretty obvious what will happen though.
you can call me "ozzie" for short.
12-15-2013, 06:05 PM
I'm sure he has other areas where his experience/knowledge is on point, but every time he tries to comment about strength sports he never has any idea what he's talking about.
12-15-2013, 07:38 PM
12-15-2013, 07:47 PM
12-15-2013, 07:48 PM
12-15-2013, 07:53 PM
12-15-2013, 08:13 PM
Edit: Nevermind this thread sucks
12-15-2013, 08:16 PM
imo. competitive for a 198 should be 550+ / 365+ / 550+. Those are numbers that would be competitive at a small meet.
12-15-2013, 08:19 PM
So, those numbers are definitely not what's competitive at a meet. These also were non drug tested (APF, for those wondering. I wasn't on cycle, however.) with just under 100 lifters at each one.
12-15-2013, 08:21 PM
12-15-2013, 08:22 PM
Both at 220.
It's gonna vary meet to meet. Telling the guy he needs elite numbers and that he won't even place on PLwatch just sounds like a dick move from everyone here. No one will achieve those their first meets, nor will there be people like that at every single meet, or at least multiple people like that.
12-15-2013, 08:26 PM
12-15-2013, 08:28 PM
12-15-2013, 08:32 PM
OP - This is what i do. I set my goals for the meet as soon as i find out about the meet. Then use, those goals as training maxes to train with. As long as I hit those goals, then im good. If i end up getting to compete with someone the obviously im going to want to win. So strategy for if i compete against someone is to hit those goal numbers on 2nd attempts and then go big on 3rds for the win. If its just me, then ill take my time and get up to the numbers i want, on 3rd attempts.
Look up past meets that have been held at wherever your competing at, and see what kind of numbers ppl have thrown up in the past.
12-15-2013, 08:34 PM
12-15-2013, 08:35 PM
Clearly you guys are passionate about your perspective on powerlifting.
However, Jimbuick- neg away. I dont know what ur reason is other than I said something u dont agree with, lol. However you've given me plenty of reason to neg you but I wont because I'm a graceful man. None of this changes the fact that there are plenty of guys lifting twice their weight in bench pressing and deadlifting at or near 3 times their weight. Common is a relative word and ur coming back with specific arguments to attack a relative statement. Whatever ur trying to accomplish, its not working.
I'm not tryin to start fights but finding lifter with those capabilities around my parts is easy. There are a handful at every gym in my town. And who cares? Does that somehow make u less of a man because others can lift more? Why so defensive?
I dont get you guys. You waste so much energy on the wrong things. Just disagree and leave it alone. I'm stepping out of this thread and unsubbing for the sake of two gentleman who apparently r showing lots of hate towards me and my posts. I hope ya'll can still find the energy to lift some weights after wearing urself out on this pointless argument.
12-15-2013, 08:47 PM
12-15-2013, 09:22 PM
You win. Stop puttin words in my mouth. You r doin everything to make it seem like what I said was completely garbage. Fact is:
1) You had a problem with my experience and comment. I didnt have a problem with u until..
2) You got defensive and ugly
3) In ur last post, you twisted my comments to serve ur side of the argument
4) You'll do whatever it takes to win an argument over the internet, including having the last word.
OP has solid numbers to start with. You insisted on arguing when I posted what I thought was decent numbers.
But whatever man. In the grand scheme, this attempt to slander me in order to win an argument doesnt matter at all. Have a good night and be sure to wallow in that reality.
12-15-2013, 09:26 PM
12-15-2013, 10:08 PM
You said that to be competitive in a meet the OP would need a 7-7.5x BW total, every person who has competed on this forum has shared their experiences showing that to be untrue. One does not need an elite total to compete at a meet, nor does he need one to win his class at a meet.
Telling that to a new lifter DISCOURAGES THEM FROM COMPETING! If you were getting ready for a BBing competition (I assume you do that based on your AVI) and your coach told you that you wouldn't even be competitive until you gained another 50# of solid muscle I can almost guarantee it would discourage you from competing at the show you hired him for.
12-15-2013, 10:08 PM
12-15-2013, 10:17 PM
12-16-2013, 12:17 AM
I think the main thing is to read the title of the thread. It specifically says "beginner." Even if it was common to lift elite(which it is not bc it wouldn't be called elite) we should at least certainly agree that beginners aren't commonly lifting elite; I would hope.
"Jackie Treehorn treats objects like woman man."
12-16-2013, 12:51 AM
now i have seen your goals for next year, and dam! thats some strong sh!t. no offense but i think you may be number numb. i see this when im talking to guys at the gym all the time. they tend to compare themselves to the top guys in the world and not to all powerlifters, let alone mere mortals lol.
you can call me "ozzie" for short.
12-16-2013, 02:35 AM
ok heres what my friend did at his last meet in september. i competed in the same meet. hes 18, just graduated hs this year. 198 raw class. 560/360/540. Him and me are still considered new. weve barely been doing this for just over a year. We both win all the time around here, but if we were to venture out our numbers would get stomped. So i consider his numbers competitive for a 198 guy, and i consider mine competitive for a 165 guy. which we are both still considered beginners.
12-16-2013, 02:40 AM
another one of my training partners weighs 209 and competes at 220. has only did 2 meets so far. he hits around 500/340/510. he had to battle it out at both of his meets and still came in 2nd both times by a pretty decent margin. But then again his first meet he went up against Ben Rice. So i guess i am "number numb" since at the meets i compete at i see guys like ben rice, the seath brothers, grant higa, mike kromer, jerame linnel, andy roof and a few others that are hitting pretty big numbers.
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