If you're not strong without it your still not strong with it, so it doesnt really matter.
I can tell you don't have extensive experience with gear.
My interest is to get stronger all together. My total is far from competing but the use of powerlifting gear did spark my interest
OK thanks Rodja for the advice. Did you buy brand new or did you buy used gear?
Never ever will you pack me into those sardine cans you call gear.
I've done both. If you're just getting started with gear, then buy some slightly larger sized gear. My first pair of briefs was a pair of size 46 Metal Pro briefs, but I'm now in Ace for squat and Jack for deadlift and both are size 44. You get used to certain level of tightness the longer you're in the gear.
Yet you have an assessment about it...
Not that its a crutch or anything... but whatever floats your boat.
Crutch for what? It's an entirely style of lifting compare to raw lifting, which is something that people that have never used gear fail to grasp and understand.
Wait what is it called where something helps you do something that normally couldnt do otherwise? Oh yeah a crutch.
Your arrogance is quite irritating and you should retread what you wrote earlier. Gear or no gear, anyone that's 148lbs and squats 700lbs is strong as hell. If you feel the need to try to devalue someone else's achievements, then you have bigger issues.
Yeah your right... ill just go ask the chinese oly team how they pull off those raw 700lb squats at 148... then again maybe you should ask and then you'll learn some real strength.
You again show your ignorance as I was speaking about a geared lifter that I know that has accomplished that squat, but I guess that's still not "real strength."
Sry to say but your definitely not experienced enough in this one. Geared or not geared their honestly two different worlds in my opinion. Seen the transitions of strength with and without and I say it to each their own. It isnt a crutch more than a safety measure as the HUMAN body was never made for such feats bottom line. Just SayingGymGuy any goals in mind as to just how beastly you want to get? See your stats but how do your lifts look?
Current Raw PR's are
Just because you can squat 1000 pounds 6 inches to parallel doesn't mean your strong... it just means youre good at squatting...
Bro seriously leave this thread. This is not a debate about weather you think people use powerlifting gear only because they aren't strong enough to do it raw. BS. I was merely asking for advice on getting in to using powerlifting gear not an ignorant debate. Leave your BS out of this thread. Any other experienced powerlifters that use powerlifting gear have any advice??
Gear won't translate to raw, but raw does translate to gear. Using a SS for overload is fine, though, as that does have carryover to raw.
You're an idiot.
OK thanks man. And as far as quality gear, Metal is the best in the industry as far as I've heard. Is this correct? How long can I expect to use the gear before it starts to lose its stiffness?
I only have experience with Metal and I don't like to throw out the whole "best" moniker. Depending on the garment, they'll last years. One of the guys I train with has been using the same suit and shirt (Metal Ace) for 3+ years. My shirt is several years old as well and still has plenty of pop in it. If you have some good guys to train with, then buy new as they'll be able to help you get it on and how to use it properly. Otherwise, buy them used as you'll be able to get the feel of them easier as they're already broken in, but will still have life in them.
This is a consistent theme with this guys posting.
I cannot stress this enough especially as you move onto tighter gear.
Sounds like an expensive habit....
Not really. As I buy a new piece, I sell my old ones. I've spent ~$800 on gear since I transitioned, but sold another $300 worth as I moved onto new stuff and I won't be needing anything for awhile. I'm set on all of my gear (two briefs, suit, and shirt along with various wraps) after playing with various pieces for awhile.
I've been on powerliftingwatch.com but I guess I overlooked the classified section that they have on there. I'm open to any brand really but I've just been leaning towards metal since I haven't seen a bad review on their gear yet. Thanks for you input man, it helps out.
Yeah I think I'll probably go the used route when I decide to get into gear.
I'll definitely have to invest in these as I want it to be as easy as it can be to get into my gear.
If you want to buy my single ply Inzer Max DL suit size 34 (195-210lbs) it's yours. I'm keeping the rest of my gear though. Research things a bit more and let me know anytime. I'm not trying to push it on you, just offering.
Baby powder under the slippers works well?
baby powder on thighs, put the slippers on, then some of the powder will go through the slippers to get the suit on even easier, then pulling the slippers out will be a tad easier. I just started using gold bond so I didnt smell like a 2 year old
I've tried shirt slippers a few times, and they don't come out. Gloves are a must, and the people that help me never use them. I only have the briefs, so I get two guys to hold me up so I can bicycle.
Might have to stock up on baby powder for sure.
860 squat? Sounds like you should start a thread and give away your secrets
Wow great argument... you should be a lawyer... or learn to laugh a little. :-/
Sorry this forum is boring as hell without an ******* who challenges everything. Especially the exercise science nerds.
Man I thought you actually got the hint and left the thread. But I guess not. Every time I read your post I just think about the dbags that think they have great form and are awesome at lifting like johnnyroundbackdeadlift or idonttouchmychestbenchcuztheysayitsbad.
Except for how rodja is very likely more experienced when it comes to weight training, more experienced (and accomplished) as a geared (and likely raw) PLer.
Well, been lifting since I was 11, 35 now. Had allot of good advice starting out. My 860 squat is at my youtube, Fryfamily1978. That was back in 99 when I weighed around 300 and before I got shot in the stomach and decided to diet down. A experienced lifter can add hundreds to a lift with the proper suit. My warning about to much leg drive is for any numbers. If it's heavy to him, that's the same as heavy to me. Overpowering your back in a dead with your legs is asking for injury. I know. I fought a good 5-6 years with a bulged disc that would send me to the floor whenever I would go above 400. I'm better now but the 590 triple I was doing (easy at the time) destroyed me for years. That was ten years ago. Suit lifting is way different than raw. Be very cautious as you go up in weight, the suits can make you pull in directions your unready for when your new.
Definitely not with multi ply.
OK cool thanks guys. Just trying to learn more about geared lifting and see if I want to make that jump
Definitely keep building your base. Gearing up without the requisite core strength is a recipe for disaster. Especially the upper back. That comes into play in all three lifts.
You willing to put money on that?
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