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    Im trying to hit a 600lb deadlift. My current max is 505 at 169lb.

    I need some new training tips. I refuse to use straps.

    My current regime is once a week ill do deadlifts. Warm up -225 then ill crackout reps at 315 until grip fails for two sets then I go up to 405 for a few reps.

    I occasionally do rack pulls my main failing point is getting a good grip and my glutes. Back can take a lot.

    Anyways im a mess, any good training regiments?
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    Check out the YouTube channel "strengthcamp" elliote hulse a pro strongman covers topics like hybrid muscle, deadlift techniques, achieving true strength, strongman training, how nervous system works when lifting really heavy stuffs.
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    many thanks bro
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    Not sure if this is any help man, im sure you prob have seen this before, but heres a post i made awhile ago just linking all the elitefts training vids about bench/dead/squat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newtonselite View Post
    Not sure if this is any help man, im sure you prob have seen this before, but heres a post i made awhile ago just linking all the elitefts training vids about bench/dead/squat.

    Thanks man. I do ripptoes for deadlift form, I also prefer to tuck my neck to protect my spine on deadlifts. Also...he needs some bumper plates...
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    Do not follow any of the "tips" that Elliot Hulse suggests.

    I can tell you right now that your current scheme is not ideal for strength gains on something like the deadlift. You'll need to vary the percentages of your current 1RM. When I say current, I literally mean as in what you can pull today and not your all-time PR. What style do you pull? Where's your sticking point? Assistance work?
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    do some speed work. lots of it. like 10+ sets of 2 reps. once and a while do 2-3 singles above 90%. supplement with low box squats, goodmornings, snatch grip deads and any other lift/movement that strengthens your weak points.

    if you are not sure how to put it together do a proven program like coan/phillipi or 5/3/1.
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    For grip work, use an overhand grip (no hook) when training deads. It'll definitely boost your grip strength. Kroc rows work well for this, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Do not follow any of the "tips" that Elliot Hulse suggests.

    I can tell you right now that your current scheme is not ideal for strength gains on something like the deadlift. You'll need to vary the percentages of your current 1RM. When I say current, I literally mean as in what you can pull today and not your all-time PR. What style do you pull? Where's your sticking point? Assistance work?
    understood it was 505 a few weeks ago, currently not sure since i just came off of some meds. I pull conventional and my sticking point is usually a few inches up my shins. As for assistance work I do rack pulls/speed pulls/wrestling/stiff legged deads/goblet squats/front squats.

    I suppose my main downside is I do a lot of volume work or what people would consider over training, but I have been lifting for 10 years and my body responds to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig View Post
    do some speed work. lots of it. like 10+ sets of 2 reps. once and a while do 2-3 singles above 90%. supplement with low box squats, goodmornings, snatch grip deads and any other lift/movement that strengthens your weak points.

    if you are not sure how to put it together do a proven program like coan/phillipi or 5/3/1.
    ill stopped doing box squats a while ago, ill throw them back in thanks.

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    For grip work, use an overhand grip (no hook) when training deads. It'll definitely boost your grip strength. Kroc rows work well for this, too.
    what are kroc rows? I youtubed and they just look like traditional dumbbell rows to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    what are kroc rows? I youtubed and they just look like traditional dumbbell rows to me.
    Heavy dbell rows for as many reps as you can, leaving 1 or 2 reps in the tank. If you go heavy enough, it should tax your grip a ton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Do not follow any of the "tips" that Elliot Hulse suggests.

    I can tell you right now that your current scheme is not ideal for strength gains on something like the deadlift. You'll need to vary the percentages of your current 1RM. When I say current, I literally mean as in what you can pull today and not your all-time PR. What style do you pull? Where's your sticking point? Assistance work?
    What's wrong with elliots suggestion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND
    Heavy dbell rows for as many reps as you can, leaving 1 or 2 reps in the tank. If you go heavy enough, it should tax your grip a ton.
    Dumbbells only go up to 120, can i supplement this with cable pulls? I usually put on the rope, get into a squat position and crank out reps
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    Dumbbells only go up to 120, can i supplement this with cable pulls? I usually put on the rope, get into a squat position and crank out reps
    Go for rep PR's and make sure that you do not use straps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    Dumbbells only go up to 120, can i supplement this with cable pulls? I usually put on the rope, get into a squat position and crank out reps
    Do what Rodja says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strygwyr View Post
    What's wrong with elliots suggestion?
    Goes on useless rants and does not put nearly enough emphasis on programming. There's a reason why only HS kids are the only ones asking him questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja

    Go for rep PR's and make sure that you do not use straps.
    Will do. Stop when i start shoulder dipping or when my grip gives out?
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    Good luck bro! Congrats
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    Will do. Stop when i start shoulder dipping or when my grip gives out?
    Your grip will probably give out first.
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    good mornings should get your deadlift up. I'm barely past you at 514, but good mornings help alot. Look up videos of westside guys doing really heavy good mornings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EC1023
    good mornings should get your deadlift up. I'm barely past you at 514, but good mornings help alot. Look up videos of westside guys doing really heavy good mornings.
    Thanks bro will try this out im pretty weak on them
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    May want to work on power cleans with your sticking point being a few inches up the shin. Will help increase your explosive power off the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat
    May want to work on power cleans with your sticking point being a few inches up the shin. Will help increase your explosive power off the ground.
    Have always wanted to try these just never have someone around to check my form. Crappy joints + crappy form = crappy injuries
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    May want to work on power cleans with your sticking point being a few inches up the shin. Will help increase your explosive power off the ground.
    I wonder if that may not work for everyone. i have been doing power cleans and other clean variations for years and my deadlift takes about 10 seconds to get to my knees then i explode up and lock it out. i swear you can watch half of titanic while i deadlift, lol.

    i know i am explosive on squats and many other hip dominant lifts and i attribute it to the O lifts. but i do wonder if its because of how relatively light i go on cleans when compared to deadlifts. that maybe if i up the intensity it will carry over more.

    i do currently only use power cleans as a warm up for my deads. i seem to have a much better deadlift session if i do that along with some swings before hand.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    Im trying to hit a 600lb deadlift. My current max is 505 at 169lb.

    I need some new training tips. I refuse to use straps.

    My current regime is once a week ill do deadlifts. Warm up -225 then ill crackout reps at 315 until grip fails for two sets then I go up to 405 for a few reps.

    I occasionally do rack pulls my main failing point is getting a good grip and my glutes. Back can take a lot.

    Anyways im a mess, any good training regiments?
    Band resisted (quadded mini band) from plate at 4.5" off ground, squeezing glutes at the lockout REALLY helped my yank. They got me to 600. Also, high rep, heavy DB rows helped my grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig

    I wonder if that may not work for everyone. i have been doing power cleans and other clean variations for years and my deadlift takes about 10 seconds to get to my knees then i explode up and lock it out. i swear you can watch half of titanic while i deadlift, lol.

    i know i am explosive on squats and many other hip dominant lifts and i attribute it to the O lifts. but i do wonder if its because of how relatively light i go on cleans when compared to deadlifts. that maybe if i up the intensity it will carry over more.

    i do currently only use power cleans as a warm up for my deads. i seem to have a much better deadlift session if i do that along with some swings before hand.
    I've been doing squats then power cleans on Monday's and deads then front squats on thurs. I can hit 240 with power cleans and feel for myself anyway that when I started getting good at it around 210-220 that my deads started to quickly rise from 350 and tracking to break 400 now here shortly.

    Def love KB swings in my warm ups.

    Not sure, you could very well be right in that the power cleans helped with a particular deficiency or in a manner for me that mag not be as helpful to someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    I've been doing squats then power cleans on Monday's and deads then front squats on thurs. I can hit 240 with power cleans and feel for myself anyway that when I started getting good at it around 210-220 that my deads started to quickly rise from 350 and tracking to break 400 now here shortly.

    Def love KB swings in my warm ups.

    Not sure, you could very well be right in that the power cleans helped with a particular deficiency or in a manner for me that mag not be as helpful to someone else.
    well there is definitely a difference between us. i only power clean 155 but deadlift 435. maybe my power clean just looks nice and pretty but is just weak ****, lol.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asooneyeonig

    well there is definitely a difference between us. i only power clean 155 but deadlift 435. maybe my power clean just looks nice and pretty but is just weak ****, lol.
    Or maybe I just need to man up at the deads lol. I'm hoping to see big improvements in about 4-6 wks when I wrap up my 5x5 training. It's been going good and I've been able to really get back to the strength training since I am not competing in any real endurance races this year like I have for the past couple.
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