- 06-25-2011, 03:52 PM
- 06-25-2011, 06:52 PM
I guess it depends which school of thought you want to hear. The old school Louie Simmons route is that everything is pretty much game on when it comes to food selection. I will say that from personal experience that expanding my diet to include more "dirty" foods has helped my strength levels immensely. The extra bloat goes a long way for the joints and you'll need the calories to fuel the training and to keep gaining mass. You really have to find the middle road where you're eating relatively clean, but still get in plenty of calories.M.Ed. Ex Phys
- 06-25-2011, 07:52 PM
06-25-2011, 09:52 PM
Well it "works" but im gettin the same results I did without the bcaa method at the same calorie level. Also this is a lil less flexible bc it in 4-5 hr windows. When before i just made sure i got my cals and macros in, in 5 seperate sittings 2-5 hrs apart depending on schedule. I was also curious what competitive lifters do. Thanks rodja, ill try mixing some dirty foods in with my cleaner foods. Cant hurt.
06-26-2011, 01:18 AM
i eat like a typical BBer but one of my friends eats crap. like gummy bears n goldfish and some hamburger gravy. he can put most ppl to shame w his lifts for being so light, but he doesnt gain any mass
Serious Nutrition Solutions
06-26-2011, 05:58 PM
06-26-2011, 09:36 PM
06-29-2011, 11:44 PM
Lol, the mention of "the bloat" reminds me of Dave tate's article on the subject. Everyone should read that for some good jokes (though depending on how old it is, it may actually have been serious!).
On topic, the diet of a powerlifter is inherently little different than of a bodybuilder. Differences might include substantially higher protein (1.4x or your not gonna see the right kind of gains), and hitting up fish oil like it's oxygen. Otherwise, it is not necessary to be really bulky or maintain a really high bf, so a much higher calorie surplus is not always called for.
06-30-2011, 12:48 PM
Well i believe a lil extra cals or dirty cals before a big day can help. But i agree. Ive been dieting no different then i did for bbing and im doing great. Just wanted others opinions as well
07-11-2011, 12:58 AM
Most of the PL's I know eat like crap and don't grow or have too much bloat.
I haven't been powerlifting long, and I'm still stuck between worlds, but I'm eating the same as before (BB'ing diet) but with more BCAA's + EAA's throughout the day, and more stuff for my joints. Maybe a little dirtier when I feel I need to. If I'm not recovering fast enough I just eat more. Sometimes that means getting a lil dirty. But I definitely do and will keep eating like a BB'er, and will stay on top of conditioning. There are a lot of BB'ers who powerlift and lift heavy ass weights. I don't think it's necessary to eat dirty, that's just the lazy way. Most PL's I meet couldn't give two $hits about having a dialed in diet, because they say it's too much work.
07-11-2011, 01:00 AM
07-11-2011, 02:07 PM
I recently read (can't remember the source, some famous powerlifting guy), this guy suggested - for people trying to gain weight, to switch to 2 HUGE meals per day... to slow down the metabolism, which will obviously help gain weight.... but in an extremely unhealthy way - more fat than lean mass, less protein over the course of the day to aid recovery, less energy, etc...
It's just common sense that eating many times per day will keep a steady stream of nitrogen into your muscle and aid recovery. I must eat over 6 small meals plus bcaa's + eaa's over the day. 2 of the meals are larger than the others, 2 hours pre-workout and the post workout meal. Eat to recover and be healthy, train for strength.
07-14-2011, 09:34 PM
I don't really think of myself as a powerlifter, but I was working up to it before I enlisted in the Army and got sent to Kentucky to lose my sick (for a novice) squat and deadlift. I ate pretty much constantly throughout the day and the vast majority of it was pretty clean. I don't mean a little meal at 3 pm and then a snack a couple hours later, either. It was a handful of nuts here and then wander off to drink some of a homemade weight gainer and then fifteen minutes later polish off a tuna sandwich then go a half hour before I'd eat an apple and banana with peanut butter... stuff like that. Most days I operated like that, because I was lucky to have a job that allowed it, and the gains were great. My weight held pretty constant and my lifts steadily went up. The only times I really gorged were right away in the morning and right after a workout, at which point I'd stuff myself with clean carbs and protien and go to bed. Had to love working night shift.
08-01-2011, 08:53 PM
I eat very clean and find I perform better eating a clean diet than one filled with ****. The less clean my diet the worse I perform. Even after a cheat meal (unless I am glyocgen depleted)
08-01-2011, 11:01 PM
08-01-2011, 11:10 PM
08-01-2011, 11:31 PM
I know, thats why i posted it. Idk if i trust the palantinose ive found elsewhere since zima carb turned out to be fake.
08-02-2011, 08:56 AM
How come noone makes this stuff anymore?
I also came across some bottles of CEL's Phera and noticed it's not being sold anymore. Not sure if I trust the sides from it though too, but have only read positive things. I bought them a while ago and never tried it.
08-02-2011, 03:49 PM
08-11-2011, 03:04 AM
The 6 meals a day myth has long been debunked. I train for powerlifting and have switched over to a leangains style of eating and I have got stronger at a lower bodyweight and bf % and my recover is just as good as it was on more meals a day.Originally Posted by Gutterpump
08-15-2011, 08:57 AM
I've been transitioning over to more of a lean gains diet too, but still eat more than 3 meals per day. Leangains style / paleo substance with more of a dietary focus on nutrient partitioning.
If you eat fewer meals, your calories go up each meal (depending on your goals). If your cals are excessive, they go to waste. Personally I don't like to take in excessive amounts of cals over each meal, I don't want to gain excess fat, so spreading out your cals makes more sense when trying to gain lean mass (or even lose fat). I work in higher cals / carbs around workouts but then still have several smaller meals, and less in the morning, sometimes only BCAAs.
08-15-2011, 11:13 AM
It doesn't matter how many meals you have, if you are within your macros for the day you won't put on fat. I can only say from personal experience that no other eating plan has given me the results I am experiencing now. Initially it was hard getting in so many kcals in a meal but I am used to it now. Studies have proven that there is no difference between 3 and 6 meals a day in terms of recomping.
08-15-2011, 03:15 PM
I agree with the lean gains thing.
My two fav dieting styles are laynes way of 4-5 meals a day of 4-6 hrs apart with bcaa between or lean gains, which is hard for the first few weeks.
08-15-2011, 03:33 PM
Now when dieting, sure, I can eat 3 meals with lower cals, and lots of healthy fat + protein that takes a long time to break down, like beef...will still be a pretty hefty size meal to get down though. But there is no way I could ever bulk cleanly on 3 meals.
4-5 meals I like... with bcaas/eaa's in the morning. I love sipping on MST's RPG all morning long.
08-15-2011, 05:12 PM
You wont get fat eating 1200 cal meals man. And your body can and does process whatever you put into it.
08-15-2011, 05:42 PM
Right, if you're sitting at a desk, eating a 1200 + calorie meal, your body will process this....but the excess cals it doesn't need as energy at the time gets store as fat. I like to keep blood sugar levels pretty even all day too, and eating regularly / smaller meals / more often helps that out a lot too.
I've tried many diets in the past. CKD has shown me the most results when recomping, and worked well when in ketosis. But when bulking, eating something every 2-3 hours, and keeping myself full, gave me the best results. I am also on HRT, so all of my hormones are primed. Test/thyroid, etc all at top of range. I will still gain fat if I eat too much at once.
08-15-2011, 09:39 PM
You dont understand the body do you? You think eating one 1200 cal meal for 4 hrs will be diff then eating 2 600 cal meals for 4 hrs? Not likely. I mean everyone has their own way to diet and to see results. I like to eat 4-5 meals a day and let my stomach empty some and get an appitite to bulk.
08-15-2011, 11:44 PM
I do, and if you're eating very cleanly, no that shouldn't be too much of a difference...meaning only complex carbs, low GI foods, beef, casein, slow digesting foods. I wouldn't want to take it past 4 hours though. If you're getting 1200 cals in one sitting, of clean clean food, and doing this multiple times per day, then you're very disciplined and/or have a great appetite.
To get to 1200 clean calories in one sitting, would be pretty tough, for me anyhow. Whole milk, coconut milk (as a carb source), etc isn't considered clean to me, even though they easily boost cals (on paleo and modified diets). I don't eat grains either anymore now, which makes it even more difficult to get clean cals in.
08-16-2011, 12:26 AM
You eat rice and potatoes? But just diet the way that works for you man. I generally avoid grains, milk, and most other allergins. Healthy fats, rice and taters, meats and eggs, fruit and veggies is what most of my diet consists of. A lil cheese hear and there too. To bad cheese and rice are so acidic lol But eating high protein/fats should make it pretty easy to get cals.
08-16-2011, 12:45 AM
2 tbsp of EVOO
2 cups quinoa
1 scoop whey, egg or casein
4oz sweet potato
1 tbsp of EVOO
1/2 tbsp butter
8 oz sirloin
Easily over 1200 calories and very doable in one sitting, especially after fasting 16 hours.
08-16-2011, 01:17 AM
^ that looks pretty good.
no rice, no quinoa, no dairy but sweet potatoes + fruit I'll be eating more of.
mangos, coconut, pineapple, berries all the good stuff, as many leafy greens as possible too
Of course lots of eggs, beef, bacon, all meat and lots of fat, no draining. lots of evoo and fish oil to balance it out, coconut oil too
08-16-2011, 06:28 AM
You have to look at every day of leangains as a mini recomp. 16 hours cutting and 8 hours bulking. I have done ckd and TKD and keto and found this suits me best and gives the most consistent results. For me it was a hassle to cook all the time, bring a load of food to work, and generally have my whole day's activities governed by eating. Now I have most of the day free from these constraints and knowing I can eat like a demon when my fast breaks. I am stronger and leaner than I have been for a long while so I will continue with this for as long as I can Horses for courses mate. Do whatever works and suits. We can only tell you what has worked for us on Leangains and back that up with the available research and advise you accordingly but we aren't telling you that you should be doing this or that. Your choice
08-16-2011, 09:27 AM
08-16-2011, 09:37 AM
85-90% Ground Beef
All Paleo and with tons of calories. There has been a movement away form Cordain's original stance where he lumped saturated fats together with trans fats, which is ludicrous. It took me a bit to break my habit of only lean meats, but, once I added in fattier cuts of flesh, my energy levels returned. As you also know, you can have the occasional feeding of red or sweet potatoes as well.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
08-16-2011, 10:25 PM
08-17-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm going to add red/sweet potatoes once in a while. I was thinking post workout.
Btw, I came across this product today. Any thoughts on it? I'm thinking it could be a good alternative for supercarb.
08-17-2011, 10:37 AM
08-17-2011, 10:47 AM
08-17-2011, 02:39 PM
Is rice aloud on paleo? And isnt quinoa acidic?
Also does protein synthesis happen while fasted? Layne norton says leangains isnt wise bc of this.
Do you guys think it matters if you eat a higher carb or higher fat diet for powerlifting?
Also on leangains the fast breaking meal or post wo meal is the biggest with about 100g protein...this wont turn to glucose?
Thanks lets keep the discussion going
08-17-2011, 02:42 PM
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