[wiggabomb]

ON Cycle epistane at 20/30/30/40
cycle support @ two scoops/day.

PCT should be:
Post Cycle Support cycle support @ two scoops/day
I3C (400 mg every day. I like to start a week early just to get it in my system)
ZMA (every night before bed.)
6-oxo (tapered down starting in week 4 (Start with 400/300/200/100)

so this should be alright? I don't want to get gyno.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by wiggabomb

ON Cycle epistane at 20/30/30/40
cycle support @ two scoops/day.

PCT should be:
Post Cycle Support cycle support @ two scoops/day
I3C (400 mg every day. I like to start a week early just to get it in my system)
ZMA (every night before bed.)
6-oxo (tapered down starting in week 4 (Start with 400/300/200/100)

so this should be alright? I don't want to get gyno.

As per the Havoc write-up, have a SERM on hand. I know someone who recently got gyno from 40mg/day of Epi at the end of his cycle. Epithio's are potent steroids.

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by wiggabomb

ON Cycle epistane at 20/30/30/40
cycle support @ two scoops/day.

PCT should be:
Post Cycle Support cycle support @ two scoops/day
I3C (400 mg every day. I like to start a week early just to get it in my system)
ZMA (every night before bed.)
6-oxo (tapered down starting in week 4 (Start with 400/300/200/100)

so this should be alright? I don't want to get gyno.

This would be fine. Make sure you have a SERM on hand just in case. I had no problem with my methyl-e cycle 20/30/30/40 and OTC PCT ...

[wiggabomb]

I have some Nolva Citrate, but I think thats 30% less potent than real nolv. So would it be alright if I add this to my PCT just to be safe? or would that be over doing it?

The 6 oxo is at week 4 of the cycle right? not week 4 of the pic.. made this a while ago, so cant remember.

[Rob Awesome]

Originally Posted by wiggabomb

I have some Nolva Citrate, but I think thats 30% less potent than real nolv. So would it be alright if I add this to my PCT just to be safe? or would that be over doing it?

The 6 oxo is at week 4 of the cycle right? not week 4 of the pic.. made this a while ago, so cant remember.

I would begin the 6-oxo the first day of PCT. Definitely have a SERM available - even if it's Tamox Citrate. Epithio's are potent steroids as someone mentioned aboved (epitiostanol IS a steroid)...

Other than that, IMO your PCT looks solid as Dman suggested.

Good luck.

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by wiggabomb

I have some Nolva Citrate, but I think thats 30% less potent than real nolv. So would it be alright if I add this to my PCT just to be safe? or would that be over doing it?

The 6 oxo is at week 4 of the cycle right? not week 4 of the pic.. made this a while ago, so cant remember.

Yes in week 3-4 you can begin 6-oxo. Havoc will suppress estrogen as well as test and estrogen is necessary for muscle building and thus keeping your gains. It is best to let estrogen levels rise with test levels for a bit in PCT and then as the levels get to a point of normalcy (around week 4) you use the 6-oxo to keep it there while you increase test levels and create a new ratio for T/E. Estrogen is also necessary for bone health, immune system and CNS health so eliminating it or severely repressing it in PCT is a bad idea. Most importantly estrogen is responsible in large part for libido and if you suppress it too much you will not have any libido ...

[wiggabomb]

I still would like to know if a serm would help.. because thesinners guide says that a serm should be used for the foundation of a pct.

rolax looks a little better than nolv imo. I would just run rolax along side my pict or save it for later?

[wiggabomb]

Also, I shouldn't have to take anything after the 8 weeks?

[wiggabomb]

I know im a little paranoid, but what about the 3 weeks after the cycle. I know im not useing the 6 oxo in that time frame so could there be a flare up then?

[pistonpump]

youre PCT in your first post should be enough. Always have the Tamoxifen on hand in case but for this cycle i dont see it to be totally needed.....your epi cycle was very mild i think those are low doses so you shouldnt be that supressed.

[Rob Awesome]

I personally recommend Toremifene over Tamoxifen... as Torem has the same molecular function as Tamoxifen, but also utilizes a similar structure to that of clomid to help prevent gynecomastia better - in addition it is less harsh on liver enzyme levels than is Tamoxifen.

With PCS, I3C, a Liver Detox (ie Cycle Support), 6-OXO and an optional cortisol blocker - you're in the money. No one can PROMISE you won't get gyno, but with the Post Cycle Therapy support you have - it's a really, really good chance you'll be fine. Good luck OP!

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by Rob Awesome

I personally recommend Toremifene over Tamoxifen... as Torem has the same molecular function as Tamoxifen, but also utilizes a similar structure to that of clomid to help prevent gynecomastia better - in addition it is less harsh on liver enzyme levels than is Tamoxifen.

With PCS, I3C, a Liver Detox (ie Cycle Support), 6-OXO and an optional cortisol blocker - you're in the money. No one can PROMISE you won't get gyno, but with the Post Cycle Therapy support you have - it's a really, really good chance you'll be fine. Good luck OP!

I cant seem to find torem on the two sites i visit. what gives? Luckily i have a bottle back up.