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    will novadex xt suffice for...


    will it be good enuff as a pct for havoc
    i cant get my hands on a Rx serm...

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    No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

    SERM + P.C.T Guide

    Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

    Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.


    1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

    Example Torem Dosing: - As per Interlocutor
    Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
    Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
    Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

    You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board. Please someone let me know if this is overkill for Torem

    Example Nolva Dosing:
    Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
    Wk2: 20mg everyday
    Wk3: 10mg everyday
    Wk4: 10mg everyday

    I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

    2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

    3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

    4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

    5. Test Booster - Good reviews or I have used: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

    NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

    1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended)

    2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

    3. AI - Formestane(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

    4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

    5. Test Booster - Good reviews or have used the following: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

    All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

    With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

    Things To Note

    1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

    2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT


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    ATD's are not a good choice for PCT. In PCT your goal is to restore HPTA function. ATD is suppressive so you are doing exactly the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish. Neo's post has a lot of great info in it, read it and decide to do either the SERM route or the non SERM route.

    Post Cycle Support and Cycle Support are two good products, ZMA, SAMe, Lean Xtreme (starting at week 3) are all good for PCT. After you get done run 6-oxo tapered for 4 weeks and you should be good to go ...
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    LOl trust me i got everything down now.
    I got blasted on another post and got lots of helpful info
    thanks for the input tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon615 View Post
    LOl trust me i got everything down now.
    I got blasted on another post and got lots of helpful info
    thanks for the input tho.
    So what is your PCT now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmangiarelli View Post
    So what is your PCT now?

    Tenacious lil bugger this one

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    LOL!

    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Tenacious lil bugger this one

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmangiarelli View Post
    So what is your PCT now?
    post cycle support and then i will taper off w/ 6-oxo
    i will have a serm on hand jus in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon615 View Post
    post cycle support and then i will taper off w/ 6-oxo
    i will have a serm on hand jus in case.
    You might want to add lean xtreme in the start of week three (day 15) for cort control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmangiarelli View Post
    You might want to add lean xtreme in the start of week three (day 15) for cort control.
    Just wondering why suggest he wait until day 15? I ask because I posted a thread about Retain 2. I was told to take immediately after cycle with my Tamox and 6 oxo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodesman View Post
    Just wondering why suggest he wait until day 15? I ask because I posted a thread about Retain 2. I was told to take immediately after cycle with my Tamox and 6 oxo.
    After a cycle your body is in a state of flux and it takes about two weeks for it to figure out WTF is going on and to start to correct it. You will start to see a rise in cortisol levels as your body ramps up it's efforts to equalize the hormone balance. Before that, it's pointless to take anything to combat it and it may even hinder recovery somewhat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmangiarelli View Post
    After a cycle your body is in a state of flux and it takes about two weeks for it to figure out WTF is going on and to start to correct it. You will start to see a rise in cortisol levels as your body ramps up it's efforts to equalize the hormone balance. Before that, it's pointless to take anything to combat it and it may even hinder recovery somewhat.
    Thank you. So how much and how long should he take it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodesman View Post
    Thank you. So how much and how long should he take it?
    3-4 weeks as directed on the bottle ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dmangiarelli View Post
    3-4 weeks as directed on the bottle ...
    Thank you.
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    ha thanks guys. i will think about adding a cort blocker to my pct. but idk cuz im pretty sure i will be able to keep my gains w/o it. i will have my Post Cycle Support, 6 oxo, and creatine mono.

    sound pretty good?

    O and i think i will start my 6 oxo on like wk 3 or four days into it becuz ppl sed it takes it a couple of days to kick in...would that be ok or jus stick to startin it wk 4?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brandon615 View Post
    ha thanks guys. i will think about adding a cort blocker to my pct. but idk cuz im pretty sure i will be able to keep my gains w/o it. i will have my Post Cycle Support, 6 oxo, and creatine mono.

    sound pretty good?

    O and i think i will start my 6 oxo on like wk 3 or four days into it becuz ppl sed it takes it a couple of days to kick in...would that be ok or jus stick to startin it wk 4?
    That sounds ok to me ...
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