The Complete Testosterone Recovery Stack
- 03-10-2008, 01:34 PM
The Complete Testosterone Recovery Stack
We are proud to announce the completion of our Testosterone Recovery Stack. This is a stack of Sustain Alpha, Toco-8, and our newest product -- EndoAmp. This stack maximizes LH & FSH secretion and enhances testicular sensitivity for the maximum testosterone increase. This is perfect for PCT, or general performance enhancement.
Here is a brief rundown of what each product does -
1. Sustain Alpha causes the LH & FSH “release” from the pituitary by suppressing and blocking estrogen at the receptor with 7,8 Benzoflavone and Resveratrol.
2. Toco-8 with its high content of tocotrienols, helps increase the concentration of LH & FSH in the pituitary for a strong “burst” during LH & FSH release. Toco-8 also enhances the testes sensitivity to LH.
3. EndoAmp further amplifies the testosterone response from Sustain alpha by increasing the testes ability to create testosterone. By reducing cortisol, EndoAmp protects the testicular leydig cells, increases the testicular steroidogenic enzyme concentration, and enhances steroid-to-enzyme association. EndoAmp creates the perfect environment for testicular steroidogenesis – aka testosterone creation.
With our complete Testosterone Recovery Stack for 119.99 you get enough of each product to last 30 days (that saves you $15).
Plus, with the forum discount of “SPONSOR10” you can save an additional 10%!
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A visual schematic
- 03-11-2008, 10:50 AM
Looks very useful.
Would the Toco-8 and EndoAmp be similarly beneficial to use with Dermacrine? Or do you feel there is the most synergy with Sustain Alpha?
- 03-11-2008, 12:35 PM
03-16-2008, 03:58 PM
Yep, I have used both Dermacrine and Sustain before. What I was wondering is whether the inclusion of DHEA and Pregnenolone lessens the need for the EndoAmp.
For example for a lean bulk, would it be more productive to run Phyto Test with Dermacrine followed by the Test Recovery Stack, or would Endo Amp and Toco8 still have a beneficial effect alongside Dermacrine?
03-16-2008, 03:59 PM
Sorry, I just realized this is specifically a PCT thread, so maybe I should be asking this in the Primordial section?
03-16-2008, 04:26 PM
03-16-2008, 04:31 PM
03-16-2008, 11:48 PM
03-24-2008, 03:55 PM
03-24-2008, 04:39 PM
Just wanted to drop a quick report on this stack of 3.
Toco-8: it is a tasteless powder able to be eated right out of the measuring scoop or it does mix easily w/ water or juice.
EndoAMP: same as above !
Sustain Alpha: Lot#2300. using 5 pumps, like a lotion which dries rapidly without stickyness when applied dry. When right out of the shower it takes longer. The product has an interesting odifferous emination - its a smell I can't yet describe and has taken me a while to get used to. No one I know has said anything to me about being "smelly" so I'm assuming its just something the user experiences since its on my chest right under my nose.
The combo has so far been a positve impact at reducing my fatigue / grey moods and thats nice
03-24-2008, 05:26 PM
03-25-2008, 06:37 AM
In my profile is all the data but to make it easy I just turned 42 this month. Yes, I'm stacking these in PCT after a 5 wk Havoc /AH-89 PH cycle.
The powders also mixed well in my oatmeal .......mmm yummy.
Last edited by scoooter; 03-25-2008 at 09:04 AM. Reason: add info
04-02-2008, 12:53 PM
04-02-2008, 01:15 PM
This stuff has been great ! to summarize....like the song says "The boys are back in town" (Thin Lizzy)
04-07-2008, 05:51 PM
04-23-2008, 02:53 PM
I never had real shrinkage during my cycle (8 weeks of 1-t @ 600mg with the last 3 weeks being superdrol ramped from 10-30) but did loose some libido. my results were pretty amazing on Sustain alpha + toco-8 as my only PCT items (i also used creatine and x-factor, but neither effects testosterone)
I really noticed the boys hanging lower than normal even around week two. The final result was about a month after PCT ended. I lost about 10% bodyfat over the timespan between the tests, but I still can't believe my testosterone almost tripled!
04-24-2008, 06:44 AM
04-26-2008, 05:48 PM
... and if you notice, his T levels went up while LH/FSH declined. This suggests that his testicular sensitivity was improved – exactly what the Toco-8 is designed to do.
04-26-2008, 05:58 PM
04-27-2008, 03:24 PM
04-27-2008, 04:10 PM
04-27-2008, 10:54 PM
04-28-2008, 12:03 PM
Primordial Performance kicks all kinds of ass!!!!!
Sorry, I am a big fan.
04-30-2008, 08:29 AM
04-30-2008, 09:14 AM
The saliva testing is supposed to be as accurate as blood tests, but a lot of people don't believe that.
04-30-2008, 02:24 PM
05-03-2008, 12:17 PM
So in general, not just for guys coming off a cycle or HRT, but anyone over 40 who shows low Test levels - this stack would work for I guess?
Would this stack be able to increase the set-point of endogenous production such that when the PP stack is completed the Test levels stay elevated or does one need to cycle on these items continuously?
(obviously blood work will show what each person needs to do, but in general I mean)
05-03-2008, 01:03 PM
Hard to say. my blood tests were a month after stopping sustain, so for me my set point was higher obviously. I suppose like many other things it depends on the individual. especially though I think if you can also use the extra hormones to drop unncessary bodyfat it can help make a permanent change
05-06-2008, 07:54 PM
Ok, thanks. How do you guys know how to read Hormone Panels? I mean, beside the general I'd like to understand more detail the relationship between total, free, bioavailable, shbg, etc - I've seen numbers all over the place and its hard to get clarity. any reference books? Or a thread here perhaps?
05-06-2008, 11:21 PM
Reference Interval Male:
20-29 years: 9.3-26.5 pg/mL
30-39 years: 8.7-25.1 pg/mL
40-49 years: 6.8-21.5 pg/mL
50-59 years: 7.2-24.0 pg/mL
>60 years: 6.6-18.1 pg/mL
Testosterone Reference ranges used by Quest Laboratories
Hormone Conventional / normal Optimal
Free Testosterone 50-210 pg/ml 150-210 pg/ml
Estradiol 0-60 pg/ml 15-30 pg/ml
Total Testosterone 260-1000 ng/dl 500-1000 ng/dl
Other ranges -
Free Testosterone (Bioavailable Testosterone):
Adult Male Reference Interval
1-9 years: < 6 pg/ml
10-18 years: 0.6-159 pg/ml
19 years and older: 47.0-244.0 pg/ml
% Free Testosterone: 1.6-2.9%
Estrone E1 1.5-6.5ng/dL (55-240pmol/L)
Estradiol E2 10-50pg/ml (37-184pmol/L)
5alpha- DHT 30-100ng/ml (1.0-3.4nmol/L)
Testosterone (10.4-34.7 nmol/L)
DHEA-S 280-640 ug/dL----- 2-6mg/L
Pregnenolone 10-200 ng/dL
DHEA 1.5-6 ug/L (42-290 ug/dL)
Androstenediol 2-3 ug/L (in young men)
Androstenediol .3-1.2 ng/ml
05-07-2008, 07:01 AM
05-07-2008, 12:18 PM
Remember, its only benzoflavone and resveratrol. Any secondary rub off would be about the same as them eating a serving of grapes or passionflowers.
05-07-2008, 04:45 PM
05-07-2008, 04:54 PM
05-08-2008, 10:15 AM
05-11-2008, 05:25 PM
Sigh, I need to come off cycle to actually be able to use this stack!
06-22-2008, 02:46 PM
I got natural low test levels (397) and mid range free t. My e2 is low.
Would Sustain Alpha not be good as it decreases estrogen?
Or is there other stuff in it which can raise my test levels?
p.s. never did a cycle in my life
06-24-2008, 03:14 PM
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