epi pulse: to serm or not to serm

[Cordwood]

I'm 5 weeks into an epi pulse, and am done this week. The pulse went well, and I wanted to go longer, but the wife and are going to try for another child soon, so I thought be best to stop. I pulsed 3 days a week, 30 mg the first, 40 the rest, and also used DHEA, AIFM, and Alpha Drive XL on off days.

I had 6-oxo, Powerfull, lean xtreme, and Toremifene planned for PCT, but I'm questioning if I really need the SERM. I have no lethargy, no libido loss, or any shrinkage. Do I really need the serm? I'd rather save it for use after either a longer pulse or full cycle of epi in the spring.

any opinions?

[ozarkaBRAND]

Post Cycle Support or Dermacrine Sustain instead? May want to think about that.

[beebab]

you might want to throw in the SERM anyhow just in case. but i wouldn't go all out with a heavy dosage if you don't feel suppressed. try Dermacrine Sustain alongside your Torem, but dose Torem at smaller dosages. this will also ensure you solidify more of your gains.

[Cordwood]

any recommendation on what a good smaller dose of the torem?

Also, with the dermacrine and the PCT support, wouldnt you think I have enough AI between the 6-oxo extreme and the AIFM?

[CROWLER]

I am using the POST Cycle Support on the off days of my Epistane Pulse and loving the results. I think it is just enough of a SERM but not overdoing it. Increased testosterone, high libido, increased strength etc.


CROWLER

[Primordial Perf]

any recommendation on what a good smaller dose of the torem?

Also, with the dermacrine and the post cycle therapy support, wouldnt you think I have enough AI between the 6-oxo extreme and the AIFM?

The ATD in AIFM is too strong of an AI for PCT, plus the DHEA in that formula will slow recovery of your body’s natural T production. It is a good AI while using a heavy aromatizing steroid, buts it’s just not ideal for PCT. The 6-oxo is another steroidal AI that I’m not a fan of for PCT. IMO you shouldn’t be running any hormones for PCT, as even the steroidal based AI’s can directly inhibit LH/FSH release.

Besides it’s not like you have a lot of estrogen to suppress anyway. Your E levels are already pretty low from that Epi cycle. I think your best choice is either the toremifene or a lighter SERM such as resveratrol in Derma Sustain. Since you’re trying to conceive Id automatically opt for resveratrol just for its positive effects on libido and virility.

-Pp

[Marc-Antony]

I'm 5 weeks into an epi pulse, and am done this week. The pulse went well, and I wanted to go longer, but the wife and are going to try for another child soon, so I thought be best to stop. I pulsed 3 days a week, 30 mg the first, 40 the rest, and also used DHEA, AIFM, and Alpha Drive XL on off days.

I had 6-oxo, Powerfull, lean xtreme, and Toremifene planned for post cycle therapy, but I'm questioning if I really need the SERM. I have no lethargy, no libido loss, or any shrinkage. Do I really need the serm? I'd rather save it for use after either a longer pulse or full cycle of epi in the spring.

any opinions?

Did you notice any kind off hair loss, itchy scalp, signs of gyno??

In terms of results, what did you get out of this? Lbs? BFdecrease? LBM?

I am looking into pulsing Epi myself, so that's why I am asking.

[Cordwood]

I really like the looks of the PCS. It will be part of my next pulse, off days and for PCT, for sure.

I'm all for spending the money needed to do this right, but I'd like to use what I have. So I guess I'll just use the Toremefine, probably for 3 weeks instead of 4.

Would it be bad to use this 6-oxo extreme during PCT, with the toremefine? I already have it, and would just assume use them unless there is a good reason not to. I also thought the 6-oxo contained resveratrol? The derma sustain looks like a great product. I didnt even know about it before I bought all the stuff for this pulse.

[Cordwood]

Did you notice any kind off hair loss, itchy scalp, signs of gyno??

In terms of results, what did you get out of this? Lbs? BFdecrease? LBM?

I am looking into pulsing Epi myself, so that's why I am asking.

I noticed no real significant side effects. I think I may have been a little moodier, but I'm not sure. As of right now, I'm up 8 lbs, and down about 1% body fat. That works out to 10 lb gain lbm, and a couple lbs of fat loss. That's based on several measurements with calipers.

[Gutterpump]

I am using the POST Cycle Support on the off days of my Epistane Pulse and loving the results. I think it is just enough of a SERM but not overdoing it. Increased testosterone, high libido, increased strength etc.


CROWLER

I'm doing a bit of a pulse right now, dosing regular PCS on my on days, and double to triple dosing on my off days. Going to see how this works over a 4 week period. Hoping to avoid any shutdown at all since it's a superdrol pulse (probably will have some suppresion though), but we'll see how blood work turns out.

I should make a new thread for this tbh, but I found your post in here and thought I'd add that I'm currently doing this too.

[Cordwood]

bump for some input on what a good reduced dose of torem would be. I'm going to can the 6-oxo, and run the torem for 4 weeks with the lean xtreme. I know the normal dose is 120-4 days, 90-3 days, 90 week 2, 60 week 3 and something like 30-60 week 4.

thanks

[LilPsychotic]

I really like the looks of the PCS. It will be part of my next pulse, off days and for post cycle therapy, for sure.

I'm all for spending the money needed to do this right, but I'd like to use what I have. So I guess I'll just use the Toremefine, probably for 3 weeks instead of 4.

Would it be bad to use this 6-oxo extreme during PCT, with the toremefine? I already have it, and would just assume use them unless there is a good reason not to. I also thought the 6-oxo contained resveratrol? The derma sustain looks like a great product. I didnt even know about it before I bought all the stuff for this pulse.

Personally, I would just run the serm and an anti cort. PCT has been getting way out of hand lately with test boosters, AIs, ect, especially on a pulse cycle. The torem will get you up and running in no time, and running an anti-cort is a good idea while your body starts to recover. The "kitchen sink" mentality for pct just throws extra road blocks in the way of your body acheiving a natural homeostasis. Just MO.