Any thoughts on this combo for a potent SERM? Thoughts? If u don't think its good please explain.
Your stack is solid!Any thoughts on this combo for a potent SERM? Thoughts? If u don't think its good please explain.
I hope he chimes in as well. Got a reply from Dinoiii at another site and this is what he had to say.When formulating POST Cycle Support, The Sinner considered using IC3 but decided against it and to only use the Trans Resveratrol.
I can't remember why, hopefully he sees this thread and can comment.
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There he is!! Thanks for the reply sinner.I3C pwn's DIM.
I3C was taken out because it would have doubled the price of PCS.
Essentially, what I3C does is cause the formation of estrogens favor the weaker ones and control aromatase a lil bit.
600mgif stacking post cycle support and I3C together, how much I3C should be taken?
I always thought 2-400mg's would be sufficient? :think:600mg
Thats what I thought too.I always thought 2-400mg's would be sufficient? :think:
That's an overstatement, Piston. There are many things on this site that I absolutely am unable to contribute to. Now, to answer your question. I work as Head of Controlling/Financial Management/Strategic Risk Analysis and Management for a software company in Bavaria, Germany, about 90 or so minutes from Munich. As background, I have a Ph.D. in Economics. I read a lot of nutritional science and related subjects when I find the time. When I am lucky, I find threads I can contribute to. Sometimes, I recheck some of my sources. I still have a lot to learn, definitely. Hope this clarifies somewhat.nice topic. im subbed just for further discussion.
strategicmove, may i ask what you do for a living and how you are so educated at everything that pertains to this site lol?
This would be the upper range, right?600mg
I would respond to multiple posts throughout BUT this is extremely problematic as if I recall the multi-quote function stinks on this site.This would be the upper range, right?
NEVER trust anything by vested interest groups, Michael A. Zeligs is one of the biggest proponents of DIM because he has a cheap DIM product. Please do NOT get me started on how bias this author's info is.
Sure its good, but it's not meant to be the FOUNDATION of your PCT... D may disagree on the use of transresveratrol... but we both favor Indole 3 carbinol quite a bitOkay, wait. I'm sorry, but I'm lost. So are you all saying that I3C and Trans-resveratrol ARE a good combo for post cycle therapy, or no?
NEVER trust anything by vested interest groups, Michael A. Zeligs is one of the biggest proponents of DIM because he has a cheap DIM product. Please do NOT get me started on how bias this author's info is.
For More, go to DA and search: "Zeligs I3C dinoiii"
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I love debating with you bro... lol You should really email me that one study we discussed on DA in Jane's Diet thread... or maybe it WAS the DIM/I3C/Epimedium thread?? anyways, happened at the same time cuz we were in both.. Better yet, let's setup a call man...Trans Res has had some dismal 3rd party suggestion for one which doesn't bode well for something that need be dosed high for oral administration.
Outside of that, it possess estrogenic properties that have NOT been presented in a light that we can be certain are not to going to have deleterious effect at this state of research on it, which is in its infancy - despite advertisement claims to the contrary.
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I would say virtually impossibleThanks for the input, its hard to sift through the BS sometimes.
Am going to open up "House Calls II" soon if interested. I have pretty busy office schedules with clients/patients that it is usually unrealistic to do tons of these.I love debating with you bro... lol You should really email me that one study we discussed on DA in Jane's Diet thread... or maybe it WAS the DIM/I3C/Epimedium thread?? anyways, happened at the same time cuz we were in both.. Better yet, let's setup a call man...
why not?? wth. LOL dude, her butt crack (your avatar) is killin me bro.. my jaw is resting on my left foot. hahano phone sex guys :nono:
I understand that "50% at twice the dosage gives you the same amount of anything as 100%." I did graduate from college. You don't have to state it condescendingly. You could have simply replied, "Yes, it is because 100% trans-resveratrol will cost a significant amount more for the consumer," which is what i originally asked if was the case.WHY use 50% resveratrol, when 100% trans-resveratrol is the most potent, and possibly the most effective form of resv? Is it simply due to the high cost to consumers that using 100% trans-resveratrol would cause?
Huh. Never even thought to question whether there was two different versions of the compound. I just assumed that people just didn't feel like typing 'Trans-' over and over. and over.Gotcha. I figured that would be really low.
Any info on the difference between Resveratrol and Trans-Resveratrol?
I'm still unsure also... I'm seeing it sold with both names. confusion for teh win!Huh. Never even thought to question whether there was two different versions of the compound. I just assumed that people just didn't feel like typing 'Trans-' over and over. and over.
Which "combination" did you refer to?any thoughts as to whether this combination could be used effectively on cycle as apposed to post cycle and thereby eliminate the need for "harsher" AI's and SERMS. (would take a load off the liver and depending on the compounds used- the lipids as well.)
50-100% trans reserveratrol + I3CWhich "combination" did you refer to?
I can see these two compounds as a part of the required blend. Quercetin is synergistic with trans-resveratrol. You might want to do Trans-Resveratrol, Quercetin, and I-3-C. Plus Silymarin, N-Acetyl-Cysteine, Vitamin C (at least 1.5 times the amount of N-Acetyl-Cysteine), Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root, and Pygeum. Most of these compounds are found in Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support and Post-Cycle Support.50-100% trans reserveratrol + I3C
yea I always take cycle support ON and PCT. Now that they have Post Cycle Support I will invest in that for PCT. I was just wondering about the combo of I3C and Trans-R specifically for their SERM effects. It would be nice to replace long term AI or things like ralox / tamox etc while ON for estro and gyno controlI can see these two compounds as a part of the required blend. Quercetin is synergistic with trans-resveratrol. You might want to do Trans-Resveratrol, Quercetin, and I-3-C. Plus Silymarin, N-Acetyl-Cysteine, Vitamin C (at least 1.5 times the amount of N-Acetyl-Cysteine), Saw Palmetto, Nettle Root, and Pygeum. Most of these compounds are found in Anabolic Innovation's Cycle Support and Post-Cycle Support.
I understand that "50% at twice the dosage gives you the same amount of anything as 100%." I did graduate from college. You don't have to state it condescendingly. You could have simply replied, "Yes, it is because 100% trans-resveratrol will cost a significant amount more for the consumer," which is what i originally asked if was the case.
well some people choose AI's while on cycle, and others prefer SERMS. I personally have found either to work well, but if I was going to choose Trans-reserv and I3C vs. nolva (or an AI like aromasin) I would opt for the natural route. See what I mean? Whether its an AI or a SERM isnt so important, but whether those knowledgeable about them think they are strong enough to control estrogen an gyn on a cycle of test for example.I'm not entirely sure about an AI effect while on cycle with a highly aromatizable substance, but I do believe in resveratrol's ability to reduce the amount of suppression on cycle.
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