I know this question gets asked often and i have read "A Stupid People's Guide to post cycle therapy" but am not really sure if need one. Im on day 20 of promagnon 25 using 50 mg a day and am no longer seeing any gains so i am going to stop. I have Toremifene but am not sure if i need it. Can i get away with just using Novedex or should i start with the torem and then taper down while starting the novedex. Someone please let me know what they think. Im sure i let out some sort of vital information so let me know if i need to add something.