phaeton66
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So, brothers:
I tried some Phera-MAX, and it did wither my member and its two friends into a small piece of limp ziti and a couple of dry peas. After two weeks and a day, ramping up to 30mg a day, and salting liberally with transdermal 4-AD in a futile attempt to control the symptoms, I said the hell with that. I got with some superdrol (dosed at 10mg a day), and felt a lot better, got my sex life back, and actually gained a bunch of weight over a mere 12 days. Sure, most of it is water. Some of it ain't. I'm intrigued by the idea that the P-MAX and the superdrol had some synergistic effect in the couple of days they must have moderately overlapped; most of the weight gain happened right after I cut out the P-MAX. Maybe there is some strange synergy here, as Jaywalh pointed out the potential of in his log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/53355-phera-plex-superdrol.html
Anyway, I'm starting to feel a bit of the superdrol lethargy, and the gains have more or less stopped, so I figure it is my body telling me to quit after a grand total of 27 days. I don't feel super supressed, though my nuts are definitely not at their best. Down the hatch went 120mg of toremifene this evening, along with some tribulus. Tomorrow morning will see 200mg of DHEA for cortisol control, and maybe a little bit of clenbuterol (yeah, I know, it ain't great for the liver either).
I've got a couple bottles of actiVate I'll toss into the mix (a first for me), and some ATD products. Probably the PCT will go something like this:
Day 1-3:
120mg torem
200mg DHEA
tribulus (until the bottle is gone; then Maca)
20mcg clenbuterol
Day 4-8
60mg torem
100mg DHEA as needed
6 actiVate
Maca as needed
20mcg clenbuterol
Day 9-21
30mg torem
100mg DHEA as needed
6 activate
Maca as needed
25mg ATD
I'll continue my liver/lipid support protocol of 1800mg NAC, 300mg R-ALA, lots of sesathin, ~6g's fish oil and regular vitamins through out my PCT.
My background: Clomid makes me cry like a fat woman when you take away her hohos. Nolva is much better, but it still can get pretty bad.
ATD is really damn great in comparison, psychologically speaking. However, ATD also gives me limp-schween (which is why my "ramp up" of the stuff only goes to 25mg a day). My only actively good PCT experience was Ultra-Hotter. I'm still not sure what that stuff was (some kind of methyl-ATD thing: why this was better than plain old ATD is beyond me). It was only on sale for a few months it seemed. But it seemed to make my testosterone rise without ruining my sex life.
I'm hoping torem is going to be somewhere in between in these effects: I want to be a non-psychopath capable of having sex. I already know it will do my lipids and testosterone levels a world of good. Am I asking too much?:fool2:
Never tried the actiVate stuff, though I liked the reviews I read. I figure I don't really need the big amounts of ATD in the standard NHA stack if I'm taking a big honking SERM like torem.
Criticisms or suggestions welcome. I'm a little nervous about tossing clen in a PCT, though it is a protocol I have seen before (not so much around anabolicminds), to avoid cortisol problems, and to be able to maintain an anabolic diet without depositing too much fat.
Over all, it is sort of a short PCT, but lots of people seemed to get their nuts back quickly with torem, and I hate SERMs, so I'll see if it works.
-phaeton66
I tried some Phera-MAX, and it did wither my member and its two friends into a small piece of limp ziti and a couple of dry peas. After two weeks and a day, ramping up to 30mg a day, and salting liberally with transdermal 4-AD in a futile attempt to control the symptoms, I said the hell with that. I got with some superdrol (dosed at 10mg a day), and felt a lot better, got my sex life back, and actually gained a bunch of weight over a mere 12 days. Sure, most of it is water. Some of it ain't. I'm intrigued by the idea that the P-MAX and the superdrol had some synergistic effect in the couple of days they must have moderately overlapped; most of the weight gain happened right after I cut out the P-MAX. Maybe there is some strange synergy here, as Jaywalh pointed out the potential of in his log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/53355-phera-plex-superdrol.html
Anyway, I'm starting to feel a bit of the superdrol lethargy, and the gains have more or less stopped, so I figure it is my body telling me to quit after a grand total of 27 days. I don't feel super supressed, though my nuts are definitely not at their best. Down the hatch went 120mg of toremifene this evening, along with some tribulus. Tomorrow morning will see 200mg of DHEA for cortisol control, and maybe a little bit of clenbuterol (yeah, I know, it ain't great for the liver either).
I've got a couple bottles of actiVate I'll toss into the mix (a first for me), and some ATD products. Probably the PCT will go something like this:
Day 1-3:
120mg torem
200mg DHEA
tribulus (until the bottle is gone; then Maca)
20mcg clenbuterol
Day 4-8
60mg torem
100mg DHEA as needed
6 actiVate
Maca as needed
20mcg clenbuterol
Day 9-21
30mg torem
100mg DHEA as needed
6 activate
Maca as needed
25mg ATD
I'll continue my liver/lipid support protocol of 1800mg NAC, 300mg R-ALA, lots of sesathin, ~6g's fish oil and regular vitamins through out my PCT.
My background: Clomid makes me cry like a fat woman when you take away her hohos. Nolva is much better, but it still can get pretty bad.
ATD is really damn great in comparison, psychologically speaking. However, ATD also gives me limp-schween (which is why my "ramp up" of the stuff only goes to 25mg a day). My only actively good PCT experience was Ultra-Hotter. I'm still not sure what that stuff was (some kind of methyl-ATD thing: why this was better than plain old ATD is beyond me). It was only on sale for a few months it seemed. But it seemed to make my testosterone rise without ruining my sex life.
I'm hoping torem is going to be somewhere in between in these effects: I want to be a non-psychopath capable of having sex. I already know it will do my lipids and testosterone levels a world of good. Am I asking too much?:fool2:
Never tried the actiVate stuff, though I liked the reviews I read. I figure I don't really need the big amounts of ATD in the standard NHA stack if I'm taking a big honking SERM like torem.
Criticisms or suggestions welcome. I'm a little nervous about tossing clen in a PCT, though it is a protocol I have seen before (not so much around anabolicminds), to avoid cortisol problems, and to be able to maintain an anabolic diet without depositing too much fat.
Over all, it is sort of a short PCT, but lots of people seemed to get their nuts back quickly with torem, and I hate SERMs, so I'll see if it works.
-phaeton66