Last Few Weeks

[Raider]

im currently in my 2 week phase b4 i start my pct and ive been running hcg 500 iu everyday and proviron at 75mgs a day and nolva at 10mgs 2x a day, i have had a gyno problem on in my right nipple and the proviron doesnt seem to help so im wondering if its okay to start aromasin now and continue through my pct with nolva and clomid. im going to stop the hcg and proviron right b4 i start my pct. any suggestions

im comming off of a 600mg test and 300mg deca cycle, and do u think i should throw clen in the mix for my pct if so hat dosages?

 

[pistonpump]

when did you notice the gyno symptoms and how long was your cycle?

 

[CHAPS]

Clen at around 60-80mcg would be a good anti-catabolic just make sure to keep eating enough and don't try to use it for weightloss while on pct.

 

[Raider]

ive had noticed a lil bit of gyno for about a yr now but nothing really noticible just a lil ball behind the nipple, and now just gettin off deca 300 and test eth 600 its flarin up, i dunno if its worth buyin all these "supplements" to fix something only a surgeon can fix ya know. but i got nolva runnin at 20 mg 2x a day proviron at 75mg and aromasin at 25 mg a day u think i need to bump up the aromasin to 50mg, im also takin 500iu hcg eod which prob isnt helpin the gyno at all but i only have 3 shots left b4 i start my pct this week.

 

[Raider]

gyno pics

heres some pics the second one is my left side which is fine.

ne suggestions...?

 

[CHAPS]

Prolactin is the culprit, if you got a flair up while using that much proviron n such then it's prolactin from the Deca, use some cabergoline along with 60mg of nolvadex till it clears up.

 

[Raider]

i can use cabergoline during pct right?

which is better cagergoline or letro which everyone says is the ****, im just tired of wastin money on all these "supplements" then someone tell me something else works ya know.

and what dosage for each and duration?

 

[CHAPS]

Cabergoline lowers prolactin Femara lowers estrogen. I think you'd be fine doing .5mg Cabergoline for 8 weeks and 80mg of Nolvadex for as long as it takes to get rid of the puffyness. Next time you use a progestin like deca or tren use Cabergoline to keep prolactin levels in check.

 

[Raider]

Cabergoline lowers prolactin Femara lowers estrogen. I think you'd be fine doing .5mg Cabergoline for 8 weeks and 80mg of Nolvadex for as long as it takes to get rid of the puffyness. Next time you use a progestin like deca or tren use Cabergoline to keep prolactin levels in check.

what do you think about aromasin, u think that is going to help at all? i just ordered letro cause dostinex is tough to get a hold of but ill see how things go runnin aromasin 25mg nolva 20mg 2x a day, clomid 100mg a day, and letro at .25 a day.

you think those dosages are good or bump up the nolva?

 

[pistonpump]

what do you think about aromasin, u think that is going to help at all? i just ordered letro cause dostinex is tough to get a hold of but ill see how things go runnin aromasin 25mg nolva 20mg 2x a day, clomid 100mg a day, and letro at .25 a day.

you think those dosages are good or bump up the nolva?

WOW! :jaw: thats alot of estrogen killers there. I would suspect a big rebound once you stop. Im not experience so could someone else help this guy out. I dont think that is wise bro, but i could be wrong.

 

[Raider]

WOW! :jaw: thats alot of estrogen killers there. I would suspect a big rebound once you stop. Im not experience so could someone else help this guy out. I dont think that is wise bro, but i could be wrong.

u think i should take out the aromasin and just stick to

clomid 100mg
nolva 40mg
letro .25mg
clen

i got to get rid of this gyno its startin to look better already but i wanna make sure its gone after this pct.

 

[Raider]

WOW! :jaw: thats alot of estrogen killers there. I would suspect a big rebound once you stop. Im not experience so could someone else help this guy out. I dont think that is wise bro, but i could be wrong.

u think i should hold off on the letro and save it for after pct incase the pct doesnt clear it up

maybe run the nolva at 20 mgs with letro at .25 for a few weeks after. what do u think about that?

 

[Raider]

im jus gonna cut out the letro and save it incase anything gets worse after pct

 

[pistonpump]

Letro takes about 2 weeks to establish itself in your body. So you need to be taking it for a while for it to really do its work well. Im not very experienced on this sort of stuff so maybe someone else who is will help

How long have you been taking letro for?

It would depend if I was taking it for a while If I would continue it into PCT. But if not then just take aromasin now because it is beter on the lipids with nolva.If you have been taking it for over 1 week then just stay with all the way thru PCt.

 

[CHAPS]

Aromasin at 25mg and Nolvadex at 20-40mg will do. Also just ask around cabergoline isn't hard to find, but that's all i'm sayin, i don't feel like gettin banned.

 

[Raider]

Aromasin at 25mg and Nolvadex at 20-40mg will do. Also just ask around cabergoline isn't hard to find, but that's all i'm sayin, i don't feel like gettin banned.

aight thanks guys yea ive seen it around just dont feel like payin for anymore pct. damn sports expensive.

but piston i havent started the letro yet i just ordered as back up cause thats all they talk about on this other forum how it works so well.

 

[CHAPS]

Keep lookin then it can be found for alot cheaper then you think, and aromasin is the best ai out their, good on your lipids and doesn't have any estrogenic rebound.

 

[Raider]

Keep lookin then it can be found for alot cheaper then you think, and aromasin is the best ai out their, good on your lipids and doesn't have any estrogenic rebound.

in swales protocol it states that takin an ai like aromasin is best of during cylce, which i agree, but then he states you shouldnt take during pct do to the fact that it drives your libido through the ground....so then what do u do, i have some cialis on hand but not much...?

 

[pistonpump]

When you take out or suppress estrogen to a certain level, which is diff for everyone, it will have a negatvie effect on libido whether it is aromasin or letro or ATD. I cant really comment on libido as I am lucky and cursed because mine is always there.

Aromasin is the best AI to take when dosing nolva as well...improves lipids drasticaly among other things.

 

[Raider]

When you take out or suppress estrogen to a certain level, which is diff for everyone, it will have a negatvie effect on libido whether it is aromasin or letro or ATD. I cant really comment on libido as I am lucky and cursed because mine is always there.

Aromasin is the best AI to take when dosing nolva as well...improves lipids drasticaly among other things.

k thanks i guess im jus gonna have to see how my body reacts .


hey i hear tribulus works good for libido is that stuff illegal?

 

[pistonpump]

tribulus is perfectly legal. Powerfull by USPlabs worked well also.

 

[Raider]

tribulus is perfectly legal. Powerfull by USPlabs worked well also.

thanks for your help piston, much appreciated

 

[pistonpump]

thanks for your help piston, much appreciated

No problem man, I feel we all need to help each other out. THats what this board is pretty much for. Good Luck.

 

[Mess]

i learned that nolva is no good during deca cycles as it increases the sensetivity of PR . Mercedesdd had a dedicated thread about it and to proper fight back gyno, let me see if i can find it for ya.

cheers

 

[Mess]

Here it is, check out mercedesdd's reply

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/49769-preventing-gyno-while.html

cheers

 

[Raider]

Here it is, check out mercedesdd's reply

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/49769-preventing-gyno-while.html

cheers

thanks mess that allthough confusing helped me understand more about estrogen and prolactin levels

 

[ABiLiTY]

hmm..

I've been using cabergonline for 5 monthes. Also I've used letro, atd, and nolva.

Right now Im using .250mcg cab 2x's per week. 75mg atd, and 20mg nolva.

My nipps are probably a little less puffy then Raiders, worse then they have ever been though.

 

[Mess]

hmm..

I've been using cabergonline for 5 monthes. Also I've used letro, atd, and nolva.

Right now Im using .250mcg cab 2x's per week. 75mg atd, and 20mg nolva.

My nipps are probably a little less puffy then Raiders, worse then they have ever been though.

what were you doing ?

 

[RenegadeRows]

You need to add in some Cabergoline @ .5mL every 4 days.

Letro is some harsh stuff and I personally wouldn't mess with it. It will inhibit estrogen close to 90%, and theres a chance for rebound with that much.

I would stick to your guns doing Nolva @ 40mg ED, as SERMs is breast specific. Add the cabergoline and see if it brings it down.

 

[ABiLiTY]

mess, what do u mean what was i doing?

cycle wise?
I was off cycle the first like 2.5 monthes.
then i did a 6 week masteron and test prop 100 EOD of each
and now ive been off for 5 weeks.

at some pionts i was dosing cab in the upwards of 1000mcg ed.