what is the active ingredient in ALRI Retain?
- 10-19-2005, 12:45 PM
- 10-19-2005, 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder
p-Tyramine, Clary Sage Extract, 17a-methyl-baET 50 mg
Anabolic Extreme also makes a similar product called Retain:
They both look similar and I was wondering the same thing as far as using one for a replacement for Lean Xtreme.
- 10-19-2005, 02:53 PM
chemist I know that..I am not too stupid to read the bottle..but what the fuk is:
17a-methyl-baET 50 mg
please somebody tell me!
10-19-2005, 11:20 PM
17alpha-methyl-androstenetriol (the baET is different nomenclature but this is just a different name for the same compound). Anyway it is a great anticatabolic. It is better in my opinion then Lena Extreme. I wish ALRI would make it without the Tyramine compound though because that gives me the shakes like clen even though they say it shouldn't. As far as the androstenetriol goes it used to be in VPX products when they first came out and were really gray market and not over priced. Anyway it is really effective for anticatabolic purposes. Check it out.
Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder
10-20-2005, 05:21 AM
10-20-2005, 07:03 AM
Purely anecdotal Robboe and also my experience with it. Unfortunatly I have not had any controlled studies (even recreational) that show the effects of the two side by side without confounding factors. I have seen some text, and correct me if I am wrong (I will attempt to find the text) that shows that the mechanism of androstenetriol appears to be through actual blockade (partial)of the cortisol receptors. With all this in mind though, I will say no one makes a stand alone product with androstenetriol like you guys do with 7-OH so there is no way to really test the effects without having other compounds in your system that mess up the results.
Originally Posted by Robboe
10-20-2005, 08:18 AM
It's cool man, you are entitled to your opinions. You don't need to butter me up with product compliments when you lay them out lol.
Seriously though, i've not taken the time to read any actual literature on the retain components, but i will soon because i picked up a couple of bottles at the O so i can compare it to LX. Of course i've read quite a bit on 7OH when i re-wrote the write-up and the compound impresses me no end.
It's more than likely just because of the lack of feedback on retain, but i have read a lot more beneficial reports on Lean Xtreme. I will be able to give my own feedback and comparison on the two in a month or two when i have used the retain.
10-20-2005, 12:48 PM
I have not tried Retain due to my fear of the tyramine but I really like Lean Xtreme
10-20-2005, 01:44 PM
10-20-2005, 02:36 PM
I have been using Retain along with UHer and I haven't had any adverse side effects thus far.
10-20-2005, 05:33 PM
When should we expect stocks of Lean Xtreme to be back...? Nutraplanet, for one, has been out for quite some time.
10-20-2005, 05:49 PM
Most people don't. Unfortunately both times I tried Retain I got irregular heart beats. not pleasant. I would love for someone to come out with a stand alone androtiol product though......
Originally Posted by natedogg
10-20-2005, 06:45 PM
interesting thanks guys......i wish i could have gotten lean extreme..but it was gone everywhere when i purchased.....ah well maybe next time
10-20-2005, 07:28 PM
10-20-2005, 07:29 PM
10-20-2005, 08:29 PM
Rob-Originally Posted by Robboe
in light of the LX dry spell, how do you think 7-OXO transdermal will work as an alternative, and what dosage would you estimate for a t/d to compare to LX dosing?
10-21-2005, 05:18 AM
Yeah, 7-oxo does transdermally for cortisol what 7OH does orally. This is what the old Avant Labs FL7 product used to be before it was dropped in favour of Ab-Solved (aka FL7 II). They used to put like 3g of the 7-oxo into a 4oz bottle, i believe. But you could always throw a bit more in if you liked. I'm not sure what a comparative dose would be though.
10-21-2005, 11:54 AM
how would you know?Originally Posted by Robboe
10-21-2005, 01:46 PM
Depends what you're using it for really. For dieting, i personally find cortisol to be an absolute bastard for hindering fat loss. If all else is the same and i'm getting leaner using an anti-cort product, i can pretty much attribute it to the product. For lean gaining, i tend to realise how much weight i can add every 2 weeks, and how much of it is LBM vs fat. If i notice i am gaining more LBM than usual and less fat, i can attribute it to the product. Or, if i mistakingly take too much for a few days and my joints feel like dust, i can attribute it to the product.
10-21-2005, 03:22 PM
I would not worry too much on the tyramine guys. I have BP issues, and never ran into any issues with the compound, even when adding in HEAT.Originally Posted by Robboe
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