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08-28-2005, 04:37 PM
08-28-2005, 04:41 PM
08-28-2005, 05:13 PM
"Magical", OK, now you're starting to sound a bit derogatory. Please do not use fruity terms like that with me again. You can use whatever equation you like in your 'magical' world where the skies are purple and unicorns run free, I could really give a **** less.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
Anyway, if you must know, the t1/2 is biphasic. So no, a half life is not a half live. Each metabolite of test has a different half live and the enzymes that cleave the ester are not steady. That's why more hydrolysis occurs initially. If it didn't, 1 shot ever 5 days would achieve steady state in just a few weeks. Plus, much of the hormone leaves the sight of deposit only to be sheltered in adipose tissue or converted into other esters of the bodies choosing. You are trying to make this black and white. It's not. Research the issue if you really want to know, I don't have the time to offer links or do it for you (because I already know), but please be respectful in the future. I was only trying to help elaborate on your equation when you decided to get ****ty. I really don't take much ****.
08-28-2005, 05:15 PM
08-28-2005, 05:16 PM
If you believe this is the best approach then I encourage you to wait 6 weeks before starting post cycle and see how you feel.
08-28-2005, 05:18 PM
08-28-2005, 05:18 PM
08-28-2005, 07:16 PM
Alright well I don't know why you were posting that then because no one was debating what a half-life was.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
I don't stop cycles on long esters anymore so I would never be required to start that late.Originally Posted by size
No need to get all upset. I didn't intend to offend.Originally Posted by DR.D
Anyways, when you say the half-life is biphasic, you are including the metabolite's half-life, correct? Cause I am only taking into account the ester's half-life which is not biphasic. I could not find any literature stating that testosterone esters were biphasic.
Assuming THEY were biphasic, you must have some source that you used to calculate that 100mg "disappearance" claim.
The majority of exogenous testosterone migrates to fatty tissue? Maybe if you're injecting into it...otherwise it resides in the muscle tissue until its picked up by the blood.Originally Posted by DR.D
I'm not trying to make it exactly black & white, but close enough to generate a proper PCT start time. Most of the other variables are negligible, unless of course the significant differences you claim can be substantiated with some literature. (Come on, you must have at least one journal article)
I have attempted to research your claims and I've come up with nothing. Perhaps you can provide me with a couple journal articles that I can read? I have no problem agreeing with you or admitting I am wrong, but when I can't come up with anything to back up your claims, bells are ringing.Originally Posted by DR.D
08-28-2005, 07:23 PM
Okay genius....I referenced half life with the notation "t1/2" in a sentence. You asked what t1/2 meant!!!!! So, I said t1/2 = half life.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
Geezus....I think we have a newest "most dense" material on our hands....and its surrounding someones cranal cavity.
08-28-2005, 07:25 PM
See! ^^Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
I brought up half life (t1/2) b/c of the way you referenced doc's numbers. You were speaking of a "half life" and disappearing 100mg, etc. Nevermind...you wouldn't get it mr. e-ducated.
08-28-2005, 07:37 PM
Um no you gave the definition of a half-life which was already clear to everyone. I simply asked about the abbreivation which I'd not seen before.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
Captain Obvious strikes again.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
Now do you see what I said what I said?
08-28-2005, 08:03 PM
Kwycke,Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
Don't even bother bro! Let this punk figure it out the hard way. Some folks just have to learn for themselves that the equations don't add up. Years of mistakes, confusion, and trial and error will humble him. (haha, kind of reminds me of someone I once knew, but I was always much more interested in finding the real truth rather than 'being right')
08-28-2005, 08:29 PM
YOu were implying a linear relationship...therefore 1/2lift = 2x1/4 life in your little brain when that is not the case.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
Its okay...I'm sure the gods take pity on the stupid...afterall, their ****up.
08-28-2005, 08:29 PM
I'm a punk because I asked you for some articles to back up your claims? Mmmk. You're looking quite incredible here. Hopefully people reading this will realize that.
I've spent the last couple hours attempting to research your claims and I've come up with nothing. I've no problem continuing the debate, but you seem to lack the time to provide a simple journal article to substantiate your claims. Do you think your time is better spent insulting me than backing up the things you say?
08-28-2005, 08:32 PM
What you dont get is you asking Dr.D to backup his claims is like asking Steven Hawkings to prove a basic physics principle.
He's earned the right not to have to "prove himself" to someone like you. Read up, bulkego.
edit: If he were to be in development of a new theory regarding rate of decay of testosterone, maybe we'd ask him to back up his beliefs
08-28-2005, 08:34 PM
No...Dr.D is usually right...I need to get smacked around from time to timeOriginally Posted by CEDeoudes59
08-28-2005, 08:34 PM
I never implied a linear relationship.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
This isn't simple biochemistry so it isn't common knowledge. If it was, I would have no problem backing up his claims by researching it.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
I have no ego problems. I've already mentioned numerous times I've no problem admitting I'm wrong about something.
Thanks for adding something constructive to the discussion!Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59
08-28-2005, 08:41 PM
You're getting a pass b/c you don't know Dr.D well
You "implied" a linear relationship when you said there was 100mg missing of test (he said 400mg remaining, about) when after 10.5 days of 1000mg of Test Enan. If you explain your rationale behind that statement, maybe I"ll believe you weren't implying a linear rate of decay.
Sorry if I misinterpreted you....but, that's how you came off...
08-28-2005, 08:48 PM
Okay well 1000mg enanthate injected right? After 10.5 days there will be half remaining, 500mg. Hence the half-life of 10.5 days
But he said there would only be 400mg, and that an additional 100mg would have been hydrolyzed or something a rather.
08-28-2005, 08:50 PM
sorry... consider it comic relief, I haven't even read the thread. It's been a long lousy day. forgive my comment - I didn't even know who the argument was between.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
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08-28-2005, 08:56 PM
Everyone needs to stop being rude to one another. Discuss as long as you like but cease with the negativity.
08-28-2005, 09:01 PM
08-28-2005, 09:02 PM
No joke about the quitting being rude... I would really look bad for three people to get banned due to their inability to be civil to each other.. I did take time to edit one post that seemed to be the one that started the rude comments..
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