Sorry, I didn't see the link Reading through it nowOriginally Posted by Nate Dawg
Like I mentioned earlier, I have no idea which way is right or how to even set up an equation for something like a halflife from scratch...algebra was my downfall, if you guys cant tell lol
Would make sense that having exogenous test in your body would not hinder recovery b/c your body bases its shutdown on test production based on your natty levels, right? Therefore, if you've got a small amount of exogenous test left in the system--the body has no clue it's synthetic--so long as your test levels are within normal range, supression will no longer continue and recovery will be underway, right? Therefore, I'd assume even if you had like 100mg or so of Test E (etc) in your system, recovery would begin. A TRT dose of 100mg test/wk gives test levels around low-mid normal range, so I don't see any reason supression would take place (or at least not much supression) at that level.Originally Posted by DR.D
I don't believe HPTA supression is not dose dependent, personally. I don't know why I read so many people who think that hormone--> body == shutdown, regardless of dose, when it seems evident dose plays a role.
I'm not trying to cause a ruckus eitherOriginally Posted by Nate Dawg
He said that if you inject 1000mg of enanthate, in 10.5 days there will be 400mg of esterified enanthate left. Then he gave no reason for this "magical" disappearance of 100mg. I just wanted to know what his reason was. A half-life is a half-life. Nothing changes about it just because it is your first shot.
On the topic of the article you posted. I should probably note that the time to start PCT is all dependent on what your base testosterone level is. I used a baseline of ~550 ng/dl from one of the sources listed on the page. 100mg of esterified testosterone resulted in a negligible change from baseline levels. So if your levels are naturally much higher, then you'd want to start PCT sooner. And if you don't know your baseline, you're really taking a shot in the dark with when you start PCT.
t1/2 is hte time it takes for "half" of the hormone to dissappear. Its not linear, either. I forgot the formula, but its definitely not a linear decay.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
I don't know what your t1/2 is suppose to mean. I didn't say it was linear either.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
t1/2 = half life
How is that a half-life formula?
"Magical", OK, now you're starting to sound a bit derogatory. Please do not use fruity terms like that with me again. You can use whatever equation you like in your 'magical' world where the skies are purple and unicorns run free, I could really give a **** less.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
Anyway, if you must know, the t1/2 is biphasic. So no, a half life is not a half live. Each metabolite of test has a different half live and the enzymes that cleave the ester are not steady. That's why more hydrolysis occurs initially. If it didn't, 1 shot ever 5 days would achieve steady state in just a few weeks. Plus, much of the hormone leaves the sight of deposit only to be sheltered in adipose tissue or converted into other esters of the bodies choosing. You are trying to make this black and white. It's not. Research the issue if you really want to know, I don't have the time to offer links or do it for you (because I already know), but please be respectful in the future. I was only trying to help elaborate on your equation when you decided to get ****ty. I really don't take much ****.
t1/2 is the short-hand notation for spelling out "half life".....Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
If you believe this is the best approach then I encourage you to wait 6 weeks before starting post cycle and see how you feel.
Originally Posted by DR.D
Originally Posted by size
Alright well I don't know why you were posting that then because no one was debating what a half-life was.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
I don't stop cycles on long esters anymore so I would never be required to start that late.Originally Posted by size
No need to get all upset. I didn't intend to offend.Originally Posted by DR.D
Anyways, when you say the half-life is biphasic, you are including the metabolite's half-life, correct? Cause I am only taking into account the ester's half-life which is not biphasic. I could not find any literature stating that testosterone esters were biphasic.
Assuming THEY were biphasic, you must have some source that you used to calculate that 100mg "disappearance" claim.
The majority of exogenous testosterone migrates to fatty tissue? Maybe if you're injecting into it...otherwise it resides in the muscle tissue until its picked up by the blood.Originally Posted by DR.D
I'm not trying to make it exactly black & white, but close enough to generate a proper PCT start time. Most of the other variables are negligible, unless of course the significant differences you claim can be substantiated with some literature. (Come on, you must have at least one journal article)
I have attempted to research your claims and I've come up with nothing. Perhaps you can provide me with a couple journal articles that I can read? I have no problem agreeing with you or admitting I am wrong, but when I can't come up with anything to back up your claims, bells are ringing.Originally Posted by DR.D
Okay genius....I referenced half life with the notation "t1/2" in a sentence. You asked what t1/2 meant!!!!! So, I said t1/2 = half life.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
Geezus....I think we have a newest "most dense" material on our hands....and its surrounding someones cranal cavity.
See! ^^Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
I brought up half life (t1/2) b/c of the way you referenced doc's numbers. You were speaking of a "half life" and disappearing 100mg, etc. Nevermind...you wouldn't get it mr. e-ducated.
Um no you gave the definition of a half-life which was already clear to everyone. I simply asked about the abbreivation which I'd not seen before.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
Captain Obvious strikes again.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
Now do you see what I said what I said?
Kwycke,Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
Don't even bother bro! Let this punk figure it out the hard way. Some folks just have to learn for themselves that the equations don't add up. Years of mistakes, confusion, and trial and error will humble him. (haha, kind of reminds me of someone I once knew, but I was always much more interested in finding the real truth rather than 'being right')
YOu were implying a linear relationship...therefore 1/2lift = 2x1/4 life in your little brain when that is not the case.Originally Posted by bulkmuscle
Its okay...I'm sure the gods take pity on the stupid...afterall, their ****up.