Not normal years post cycle help!

[Sdjwill85]

okay I took epistane back in 2011 without knowing what I was doing. Big mistake. After the bottle a friend got me some Test prop, Tren E, hcg, arimidex, and nolva. It was about a 3 month cycle. I ran hcg throughout (500iu every 3rd day or so). I tappered things down, same with hcg and kept on with the nolva for 3 weeks or so. I was shutdown still after months. Got blood work and Test was like 342ng. I went years just dealing with spongy erections, no sex drive, tired. In 8-2-15 I had blood work again and some things still seemed off. I'll post those numbers. I feel better than I did but libido is still not the same and erections still aren't as good. I just want my Dong to work good and hard again.

 

[Sdjwill85]

8-2-15 Test
Prolactin 15.53, normal 4.4-15.20ng/ml
LH 4.7, normal 1.2-8.6mlu/ml
FSH 5.93, normal 1.27-19.26mlu/ml
Estradiol 14, normal 23.8-52.2pg/ml
Cortisol 20, normal 6.7-22.6mcg/dl
Free T 99.0, normal 35-155.0pg/ml
Total T 572, normal 250-1100ng/dl
ACTH 23.6, normal 7.2-63.3pg/ml
SHBG 39, normal 10-80 nmoles/l
I told the endo the estradiol was crazy low and prolactin high! They didn't say much as usual. I've read super low estrogen can cause ed issues just like high. Is this true? CM someone please shed some light on this blood work!?

 

[booneman77]

Prolactin and estrogen can both have profound effects on erections and libido in general. You really need to see an endocrinologist that understands this. I highly suggest getting a new doc

 

[Sdjwill85]

Do you think just going to men's health clinic would be a better choice? This Endo didn't say much because my Test, although way less I'm sure than before I touched gear is still in normal range. I do have access to anything I want. I know people. I don't care about muscle building but just to be right again.

 

[Sdjwill85]

I've read people doing an hcg, clomid reboot. My boys aren't shriveled. They aren't the biggest they've ever been. Some days are different. They seem ok but not sure.

 

[warbird01]

Dude if you have been ****ed up this long you should go to a professional. Tell them exactly what happened. That is your best bet. (can't exactly tell if you have already done this? A little unclear). If you have with no help, I would do a jumpstart.

Something like Clomid and HcG for 8 weeks.

 

[CatSnake]

So, have you had more current bloodwork?

obviously there are some issues with your old bloodwork, but that's all possibly different now....

FWIW, my E2 is quite a bit lower than yours, and I'm looking at trying to correct that myself. personally, SERM use did not correct it in my case, but it's possible that could work for you. not only do SERMs increase testosterone, but they typically raise E2, as well...

https://www.excelmale.com/showthread.php?2309-Role-of-Estradiol-in-Men-and-Its-Management

^some interesting reading on why E2 matters.... maybe worth it to give to your endo.

 

[booneman77]

Do you think just going to men's health clinic would be a better choice? This Endo didn't say much because my Test, although way less I'm sure than before I touched gear is still in normal range. I do have access to anything I want. I know people. I don't care about muscle building but just to be right again.

Talk to your endo again and if he says it's nothing, find a new endo. That's it. Don't self medicate when you don't know what the issue truly is or you risk causing more harm

 

[Sdjwill85]

I have not had blood work since 8-2-15. I do feel pretty much the same. Maybe slightly better. Yes Catsnake I've seen an endocrinologist. After looking it over she seemed to think nothing was wrong with me. Even though In bold lettering Estradiol was 10 points below the cusp of normality and prolactin was above normal. I told her I feel somewhat sluggish but my erections were maybe 60-70% maybe. I told her I tied to have sex a few months before blood work and it wouldn't work. She said my testicles look fine but had nothing else to offer. I may take booemans advice and go to a men's specialist. These other Endo's seem clueless. I was just hoping someone may have an idea on trying something for a month or two before I see the doc. Blood work costs $ and so does the doc. Especially with no insurance.

 

[CatSnake]

I have not had blood work since 8-2-15. I do feel pretty much the same. Maybe slightly better. Yes Catsnake I've seen an endocrinologist. After looking it over she seemed to think nothing was wrong with me. Even though In bold lettering Estradiol was 10 points below the cusp of normality and prolactin was above normal. I told her I feel somewhat sluggish but my erections were maybe 60-70% maybe. I told her I tied to have sex a few months before blood work and it wouldn't work. She said my testicles look fine but had nothing else to offer. I may take booemans advice and go to a men's specialist. These other Endo's seem clueless. I was just hoping someone may have an idea on trying something for a month or two before I see the doc. Blood work costs $ and so does the doc. Especially with no insurance.

huh? how are you seeing a Endo but have no bloodwork for the past 2 years?

geez, a regular doc can do that, at least...

 

[booneman77]

I have not had blood work since 8-2-15. I do feel pretty much the same. Maybe slightly better. Yes Catsnake I've seen an endocrinologist. After looking it over she seemed to think nothing was wrong with me. Even though In bold lettering Estradiol was 10 points below the cusp of normality and prolactin was above normal. I told her I feel somewhat sluggish but my erections were maybe 60-70% maybe. I told her I tied to have sex a few months before blood work and it wouldn't work. She said my testicles look fine but had nothing else to offer. I may take booemans advice and go to a men's specialist. These other Endo's seem clueless. I was just hoping someone may have an idea on trying something for a month or two before I see the doc. Blood work costs $ and so does the doc. Especially with no insurance.

private md labs you can get bloods yourself for <$100 anytime. theres a thread stickied in the anabolics section with all the details.

and yeah, the doc costs $ but if it improves your quality of life, i'd pay for that. happiness and piece of mind is worth a lot of money (which you can always make more of - memories and happy days have a limit when you feel like crap and act like you feel)... just my two cents

 

[Sdjwill85]

Yeah you're right man. I just hate paying for ignorance. If I went to a men's clinic perhaps it'd be better than just normal endo. I'm still figuring the forum out but I'll look into the blood work thread you posted. All the replies are appreciated.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Well dudes I'm gonna go ahead and do the private md labs order tomorrow probably. In another post they say to get the hormone panel for females because it shows total test,FSH, LH, estradiol and it only $60. I'm going to add prolactin because from my previous bloods it was above normal range. There's a lab corp 13mi from my house. Hopefully they don't give me a problem with the female hormone panel. I read that when you put all the info that they want it'll read male reference ranges. I hope.

 

[CatSnake]

Well dudes I'm gonna go ahead and do the private md labs order tomorrow probably. In another post they say to get the hormone panel for females because it shows total test,FSH, LH, estradiol and it only $60. I'm going to add prolactin because from my previous bloods it was above normal range. There's a lab corp 13mi from my house. Hopefully they don't give me a problem with the female hormone panel. I read that when you put all the info that they want it'll read male reference ranges. I hope.

they won't give you any problem.... they just draw the blood and test it.

it's definitely nice to be able to check stuff on your own instead of having to argue with a doc about it....

 

[Sdjwill85]

It is nice. You want to make sure you're healthy but honestly we are almost slaves to the system. Have to go through so many channels and spend so much money to get anything done. Usually left with an idiot doctor and an empty pocket book. I'll post the results when they come in.

 

[CatSnake]

It is nice. You want to make sure you're healthy but honestly we are almost slaves to the system. Have to go through so many channels and spend so much money to get anything done. Usually left with an idiot doctor and an empty pocket book. I'll post the results when they come in.

yeah...

I had a dr apt today and was requesting to have them check my E2... my doc didn't read the bloodwork I gave to the nurse, and I had to point out on both copies how low it was.

I understand that doc's are tired of people Googling symptoms and asking for stupid tests, but I get really annoyed by people being proactive about their health and then making them plead and beg for some simple tests.

 

[Sdjwill85]

It's their job to address these things. It reckless to dismiss something In a persons bloodwork just because they don't think it's an issue. Do they not stay up to date on research? To much evidence linked between estradiol and a mans sexual function or quality of life. Same for prolactin. They either don't care or they're ignorant.

 

[celc5]

I absolutely see everyone's frustrations in this thread and agree with your ideas. Just 2 things to keep in mind:

1. The docs hate the system too. They didnt create it and it dictates how they practice. They are hamsters in a wheel just like us and hate that they cant spend more time analyzing patients and bloodwork in more detail. Just dont be mad at/blame the doc, we dont know all the shi7 they endure to make it through a day.

2. Physicians are typically minimally educated with bodybuilding lifestyle. An endo's job is usually to determine if Tony Soprano has a thyroid issue or diabetes. I'm gonna say we are looking in the wrong place for advice unless we go to an anti aging specialist that asseses abnormal male hormone panels on the daily. A random PCP or endo is absolutely not incompetent just bc they cant help us out after a steroid complication.

 

[Sdjwill85]

I'm not totally blaming the doctors. No the probably shouldn't know how to address steroid use. However their job is to understand hormones. That's their specialty. When something is in BOLD lettering In blood work from being way too high or low they should at least have an inkling of a thought in the correlation of the symptoms and the blood work. Not "well everything looks okay". If it were okay in would be in BOLD print.

On another note, I noticed it has a spot for ssn on the requisition papers. Do I have to give it to them? It is what it is I guess. I try to keep from giving it out but I know they use it to identify you sometimes.

 

[CatSnake]

I'm not totally blaming the doctors. No the probably shouldn't know how to address steroid use. However their job is to understand hormones. That's their specialty. When something is in BOLD lettering In blood work from being way too high or low they should at least have an inkling of a thought in the correlation of the symptoms and the blood work. Not "well everything looks okay". If it were okay in would be in BOLD print.

On another note, I noticed it has a spot for ssn on the requisition papers. Do I have to give it to them? It is what it is I guess. I try to keep from giving it out but I know they use it to identify you sometimes.

I don't recall putting my SSN anywhere in there.... I guess it's up to you. maybe it's not required?

 

[warbird01]

I don't recall putting my SSN anywhere in there.... I guess it's up to you. maybe it's not required?

Never seen a place to put my SSN either.

 

[Sdjwill85]

I'm at work now but I could swear it says patient ssn. I'll look again. My appointment is on Monday. Hopefully will have the results 3-4 days after.

 

[warbird01]

I'm at work now but I could swear it says patient ssn. I'll look again. My appointment is on Monday. Hopefully will have the results 3-4 days after.

Don't put it in even if it asks. There is no reason they would need it.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Gotcha. Well, tomorrow's the day. Starting at 8 I gotta figure out how to not eat for 12 hours. That's always fun.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Bloodwork is done. Was in and out in 15 mins or less. I almost slipped up this morning because it says to fast for 12 hours so 8 to 8. I always bring those popcorner chips to work everyday so as I was packing them I put one in my mouth and crunched down on it but immediately spit it out. So I didn't technically eat it. I hope this doesn't effect the test. Idk what I was thinking.

 

[warbird01]

Bloodwork is done. Was in and out in 15 mins or less. I almost slipped up this morning because it says to fast for 12 hours so 8 to 8. I always bring those popcorner chips to work everyday so as I was packing them I put one in my mouth and crunched down on it but immediately spit it out. So I didn't technically eat it. I hope this doesn't effect the test. Idk what I was thinking.

haha I'm pretty sure you are safe.

 

[Sdjwill85]

I was told even if I ate like a quarter of the chip I'd still be good. I don't remember eating any of it. I just remember spitting it out. I'll post the results as soon as they're in.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Aright the blood work is in gentlemen.
Total test-655, normal 254-916ng/dl
Estradiol-29, normal 7.6-42.6pg/ml
FSH-6.8, normal 1.5-12.4mIU/ml
LH-6.1, normal 1.7-8.6mIU/ml
Prolactin-18.5, normal 4-15.2ng/ml

It looks as if things have normalized some since my last bloodwork. I can repost those. Estradiol has come up to seems and so did my Test. But Prolactin is still sky high or beyond normal for a man. Could this be why my dong isn't working as good as it should? To be clear I haven't had a GF in a while. My morning wood is gone basically. If I do get it it's very soft. Maybe 60% of that. Before my gear use is get morning wood so hard I'd have to get up. I still get aroused but again erections are weak. Anyway I know I need to see the doc but everything seems good except Prolactin. If what I read is true, it is causing all my issues.

 

[Sdjwill85]

8-2-15 bloodwork
Prolactin 15.53, normal 4.4-15.20ng/ml
LH 4.7, normal 1.2-8.6mlu/ml
FSH 5.93, normal 1.27-19.26mlu/ml
Estradiol 14, normal 23.8-52.2pg/ml
Cortisol 20, normal 6.7-22.6mcg/dl
Free T 99.0, normal 35-155.0pg/ml
Total T 572, normal 250-1100ng/dl
ACTH 23.6, normal 7.2-63.3pg/ml
SHBG 39, normal 10-80 nmoles/l

I abbreviated some of these but I'm sure you all can figure it. This was two years ago. I should also mention I use finasteride although my erections issues came way before I ever knew what finasteride was. Years before. I do t think that's it. Just thought I'd mention it to be thorough. I've appreciated all replies. Many thanks for hearing me out.

 

[CatSnake]

Aright the blood work is in gentlemen.
Total test-655, normal 254-916ng/dl
Estradiol-29, normal 7.6-42.6pg/ml
FSH-6.8, normal 1.5-12.4mIU/ml
LH-6.1, normal 1.7-8.6mIU/ml
Prolactin-18.5, normal 4-15.2ng/ml

It looks as if things have normalized some since my last bloodwork. I can repost those. Estradiol has come up to seems and so did my Test. But Prolactin is still sky high or beyond normal for a man. Could this be why my dong isn't working as good as it should? To be clear I haven't had a GF in a while. My morning wood is gone basically. If I do get it it's very soft. Maybe 60% of that. Before my gear use is get morning wood so hard I'd have to get up. I still get aroused but again erections are weak. Anyway I know I need to see the doc but everything seems good except Prolactin. If what I read is true, it is causing all my issues.

yeah, prolactin can mess up things with your dong.

everything else looks good, though. maybe get some prami (or other DA agonist) and get it down, and I suspect it will iron everything out...

 

[CatSnake]

8-2-15 bloodwork
Prolactin 15.53, normal 4.4-15.20ng/ml
LH 4.7, normal 1.2-8.6mlu/ml
FSH 5.93, normal 1.27-19.26mlu/ml
Estradiol 14, normal 23.8-52.2pg/ml
Cortisol 20, normal 6.7-22.6mcg/dl
Free T 99.0, normal 35-155.0pg/ml
Total T 572, normal 250-1100ng/dl
ACTH 23.6, normal 7.2-63.3pg/ml
SHBG 39, normal 10-80 nmoles/l

I abbreviated some of these but I'm sure you all can figure it. This was two years ago. I should also mention I use finasteride although my erections issues came way before I ever knew what finasteride was. Years before. I do t think that's it. Just thought I'd mention it to be thorough. I've appreciated all replies. Many thanks for hearing me out.

dang, propecia doesn't help this much.

any chance you can quit taking it?

 

[Sdjwill85]

Well I suppose that would hinge on whether the doc gives me something to lower the prolactin. If this in fact what's causing my problem. Like I said I had the erection issues years before I started the propecia. I guess the best course of action is to see if bringing the prolactin down fixes it. Process of elimination. Not to get too into detail but I can get a half decent election if I'm aroused by physical woman. It's just not all there tho. Anyway, I guess I'll schedule appointment with anti aging dr or male specialist then we'll see.

 

[warbird01]

Well I suppose that would hinge on whether the doc gives me something to lower the prolactin. If this in fact what's causing my problem. Like I said I had the erection issues years before I started the propecia. I guess the best course of action is to see if bringing the prolactin down fixes it. Process of elimination. Not to get too into detail but I can get a half decent election if I'm aroused by physical woman. It's just not all there tho. Anyway, I guess I'll schedule appointment with anti aging dr or male specialist then we'll see.

I would def try to get something for the prolactin. If you are looking for something OCT, check out Inhibit P.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Ok I'll look into that. I'm not sure what a mans prolactin should be but scoring almost 19 when it should be under 15 would seem like a problem. Not sure when I can get into the doc. I have a new job interview Tuesday which is my day off so we'll see. Soon I hope.

 

[warbird01]

Ok I'll look into that. I'm not sure what a mans prolactin should be but scoring almost 19 when it should be under 15 would seem like a problem. Not sure when I can get into the doc. I have a new job interview Tuesday which is my day off so we'll see. Soon I hope.

Yeah that definitely is high. Jump on Inhibit P until you can get additional tests done. The Inhibit P will probably solve it though, as long as you don't have an underlying problem.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Alight i will check that out soon.

 

[Sdjwill85]

I forgot to mention this story. Catsnake you mentioned the propecia. We know some have side effects in the sex department from usin this. I had already mentioned having my erections issues for quite a while after the cycle and years before my starting he propecia. About a year ago I switched to an online pharmacy who was consistently givin me Camber finasteride. About 4 or so months ago I noticed different brand on bottle (health America ca) or something. Anyway months went by then all of a sudden a ton of my hair fell out. Enough to scare me. Still have a full head of hair but still. When my friend cut my hair it scared me. I immediately switched back to Walgreens and the Camber brand. So, this company had to be under dosing. That's the only thing that makes sense. My diet is iron clad and has never really changed in past two years. Nothing else has changed in my life. My point is for propecia to wear off it tAkes 2-5 months. So that potentially means I didn't have enough of the drug in my system to work. During that time my sex life was still the same as I have explained so idk. Anyway, hoping if I get the prolactin down I'll be feeling like me again.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Ok so I want to make an appointment to see a doc. I'm just not sure where to go. I haven't had good luck with Endo's so far. I looked at Numale medical. Idk if these are the right people. Maybe. On their site it says they will medicAlly induce an erection before you leave or something. I don't want Cialis or whatever. I just want to be functioning normal. Who do you all think would know best to address the high prolactin thing?

 

[CatSnake]

Ok so I want to make an appointment to see a doc. I'm just not sure where to go. I haven't had good luck with Endo's so far. I looked at Numale medical. Idk if these are the right people. Maybe. On their site it says they will medicAlly induce an erection before you leave or something. I don't want Cialis or whatever. I just want to be functioning normal. Who do you all think would know best to address the high prolactin thing?

I don't understand why your current doc is ignoring the prolactin, as it's not normal and could possibly be a symptom of something more serious.

if you're unable to get a doc to treat it, you could certainly get some "research chemicals" and address it on your own...

I checked the Numale site, and FWIW, they seem to specialize in ED, so I would assume they'd be a good doc to talk to. make sure you bring in all your bloodwork with you, so they can see that there is something actually going on.

 

[CatSnake]

Side note: I used to get bloodwork from Private MD Labs, and now believe that their standard E2 test is not accurate. I had tested very low several times, and just had bloodwork with my regular doc showing my E2 is normal. I have heard a couple people advise that their standard E2 test is not accurate, as well... it's possible that the ultra sensitive test is just fine, tho.

I'm giving Discounted Labs a trial right now, and will report back on their accuracy.

 

[Sdjwill85]

Okay well maybe I'll give them a call. The last doc I went to was the first time. I haven't seen her before. At that time my estrogen was like 10 points below normal and the prolactin was above normal. Not as high as it is now but above normal for a man. She said everything looks okay. I kid you not that's what she said. It boggles my mind as to how they could let that slide and not address it. There are numerous Endo's at this place. ThT just happened to be the one I got. I'm tempted to try them again and just say I don't want that Doctor and see what happens. Also, I did tell her I ran a cycle. I told her everything. I should do the same if I go to Numale yes?

 

[Sdjwill85]

My E2 was a 29 when I went 2 weeks ago. Previous bloodwork 2 years prior it was a 14! My Test was reading 100 points higher in this last test as well. So idk.