Why are people so agianst otc pct?

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  1. Why are people so agianst otc pct?


    It's curious. Don't want to be bashed or anything. I am just very curious. Mild ph and all everyone goes to serm. I know they are safe and better just wanting to know what a otc pct is good for ?


  2. OTC Pct is good to supplement a serm. Most have test boosting ingredients, cortisol control and other goodies. But they won't restart you if you're shut down. I know plenty of guys that ran absurd cycles and never used a serm with great success. And I know guys that get gyno off of halodrol and epi cycles their first run. I would say have a serm no matter what you run. They're easy to get, cheap for what they do, taste like death if you do the rc route, but it beats a broken dick and tits.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Firstcycle View Post
    It's curious. Don't want to be bashed or anything. I am just very curious. Mild ph and all everyone goes to serm. I know they are safe and better just wanting to know what a otc pct is good for ?

    A lot of people don't know why. They just parrot what everyone else says. I have read numerous times on here about over the counter products that work exactly the same as a SERM. Honestly one of the reasons I don't run PH/DS type products anymore because I'd rather not purchase a "research chemical" made by some "bros" in Moms basement.
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  4. I've yet to see anything OTC that is shown to have documented SERM effects in humans. It doesn't make sense to even run the risk and not get a SERM. They're not difficult to find even in HG form.
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  5. ALWAYS use a SERM for proper PCT ...... There are several out there and can be sourced from several reputable companies. Having a SERM on hand is a must and should be on hand prior to even starting your cycle. IMO.

    In addition to a SERM for a well rounded PCT I would recommend an OTC PCT support supp that contains T boosting compounds as well as an AI to help control the conversion of T into Estrogen while you are regaining your normal hormonal balance. Some ( myself being one of them) recommend DAA as part of PCT to further aid the re-establishment of proper T levels.

    REVOLUTION PCT is one OTC PCT product that contains all of the OTC compounds mentioned .....

  6. Because something mild like epistane still shuts you down enough that you need a serm to restore levels. Stuff like the PP androseries or the androfactory stuff you don't need a serm, but most other compounds you will.
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  7. Serms cost less than OTC pct products anyway, idk why anyone wouldn't use them..

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Goliath1 View Post
    Serms cost less than OTC pct products anyway, idk why anyone wouldn't use them..
    Agree with this 100%

  9. This should be pointed out as well: it's just as easy to get legit powder of a SERM as any DS. Each company that decides to venture into this area has the same access to these chemicals as each other.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    This should be pointed out as well: it's just as easy to get legit powder of a SERM as any DS. Each company that decides to venture into this area has the same access to these chemicals as each other.
    A few $ a gram lol Works for me
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Goliath1 View Post
    Serms cost less than OTC pct products anyway, idk why anyone wouldn't use them..
    Because if you can't get prescription grade than you have no clue what the hell your ingesting.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Because if you can't get prescription grade than you have no clue what the hell your ingesting.
    Lucky for me I have access to pharm grade, as does everybody else who has acces to google..

  13. Also it may not be illegal for "research purposes", which to be honest is joke, but it's still illegal to posses without a prescription.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Also it may not be illegal for "research purposes", which to be honest is joke, but it's still illegal to posses without a prescription.
    I actually just found out a buddy of mine got arrested for having Nolva which is a catch 22..

  15. It's not a controlled substance.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    It's not a controlled substance.
    So it's legal to have on you or in car?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by R1balla View Post
    So it's legal to have on you or in car?
    Let me rephrase. It's not a scheduled narcotic in the same way as AAS. There's really nothing established as far as punishment. In the presence of AAS, it can enhance a charge.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Let me rephrase. It's not a scheduled narcotic in the same way as AAS. There's really nothing established as far as punishment. In the presence of AAS, it can enhance a charge.
    so the guy in this thread who said his friend got arrested for it is making it up? Not being sarcastic, just good to know.

  19. Why would I make this up? Lol
    He's a member on here but he won't say who he is I'm sure.. He just got fined..

  20. I just texted a buddy of mine who is in law enforcement an he said, Yes you can be arrested for it..

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Goliath1 View Post
    Why would I make this up? Lol
    He's a member on here but he won't say who he is I'm sure.. He just got fined..
    oh, you said he got arrested...thats why i was trying to figure out what the officer booked him for. Didnt say you were making it up. sorry if it came off that way

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Goliath1 View Post
    I just texted a buddy of mine who is in law enforcement an he said, Yes you can be arrested for it..
    so what would it fall under?

  23. Let me ask him lol
    Gimme a minute

  24. He said depending on what state it would be a misdemeanor or felony.. Possession of a prescription drug..

  25. Do you guys think a SERM is absolutley necessary for something like 1-andro?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Abraham67 View Post
    Do you guys think a SERM is absolutley necessary for something like 1-andro?
    not at all. just my opinion. I ran it with dermacrine and just took Test factor as my PCT.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Goliath1 View Post
    He said depending on what state it would be a misdemeanor or felony.. Possession of a prescription drug..
    Exactly. I mean I don't mean to sound like a wise ass, but duh!
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Goliath1 View Post
    He said depending on what state it would be a misdemeanor or felony.. Possession of a prescription drug..
    wonder where Rodja got his info from then

  29. I've actually ran Andro 1 and used an OTC pct and it didn't do jack.. My libido was shot, etc etc
    That's why I advise serms for any cycle..

  30. I dont drive with it anyway. It comes to my mail and i walk 15 feet from mailbox to my house with it then it stays in my closet lol but those 15 feet are SCARY!!! man, im runnin!!!
  

  
 

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