Using an Anti Estrogen to increase tesosterone..confused?
- 12-19-2013, 01:38 PM
Using an Anti Estrogen to increase tesosterone..confused?
Okay I have heard that using an AI will increase your testosterone bc your body will try to pump out more testosterone to balance out the low estrogen balance. This makes a lot of sense to me. What confuses me is when people say to low of an estrogen level will lower your testosterone.
Which way is it??
and what is offically the most potent otc AI (I dont need letro or that kinda intensity)
- 12-19-2013, 01:44 PM
Your a bit confused on what an AI does, but the end result your correct on, less test being converted to estro means more test.
Although, I'm not sure why your test would drop once your estro dropped, but your sex drive will drop if estro gets too low, which I think is what you meant.
Erase gets great reviews. I've used it with success.
12-19-2013, 04:26 PM
Check out Revolution PCT Black from FINAFLEX. Has a nice dose of arimistane per serving and some added goodies to help further boost testosterone.
About twenty bucks on Nutraplanet right now.
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12-19-2013, 09:12 PM
Awesome thanks guys. Last question why would it hinder games ud think your body would try to like make crazy amounts of test if it got to that point
12-19-2013, 09:22 PM
You don't want to crush estro levels. Bone density, libido, mood, and your thyroid are heavily affected by estrogen.
12-19-2013, 09:26 PM
12-19-2013, 10:18 PM
12-19-2013, 10:35 PM
Okay so thats what kills your gains.
Ive actually ran form. And didnt find it that great..think I expected too much or didnt allow to absorb long ebough(thats the huge pain about it)
12-20-2013, 11:07 AM
I'm on TRT and have used aromasin, adex, erase, and formeron. Hands down, Formeron is where it is at, IMO. I have multiple labs that show me how effective it is and the others are too effective or not at all. I control e2 very well with a good protocol, so I have no need for a really strong script and found that it crushed my e2 numbers. Erase had no effect, and Formeron brought me from mid 20's (where I am very comfortable), to 15.9 on my most recent lab. I feel great, and my libido went up from even where it was good in the mid 20 range.
12-20-2013, 01:16 PM
If you want to slightly reduce Estrogen look at Reversitol V2. Otherwise, as has already been said bringing Estrogen too low can have negative effects.
12-21-2013, 12:32 AM
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12-23-2013, 10:28 AM
Look into reversitol or intimidate for the otc AI your looking for.
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12-23-2013, 12:26 PM
Okay well Ill be needing an ai for my halodrol pct and because hdrol doesnt aromitize it should be minimul.
Should I just got get aromasin bc its basically just a little bit more then pes erase and actually is same price as reversitol. Id just run the aromasin lower dosage
12-23-2013, 12:34 PM
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12-23-2013, 10:16 PM
12-23-2013, 11:13 PM
OTC AIs would be formestane and arimistane.
Both will work for PCT for HDrol, I would probably pick formestane if the transdermal application isn't an issue because I think it's better.
Formestane: Formasurge, Formeron
Arimistane: Erase, Rev PCT has it too I believe.
There are more, but those are the ones I know off the top of my head.
12-24-2013, 12:58 AM
12-24-2013, 01:01 AM
Formasurge (same AI, different company) is sold for $42 on NP.
01-18-2014, 02:24 PM
At any rate.
For the OP.
AI's increast testosterone in two ways:
1. Less of your total test is converted to estrogen so levels will slightly rise as estro drops.
2. In males estrogen is manufactured primarily via an enzymatic conversion....testosterone>aro matase>estrogen.
So when you take an AI and estro drops the brain will send the lutenizing hormone signal to the balls to make more test so that from it more estro can be made. SO..low estro = rising test under normal circumstances.
THis is why an AI should be used during PCT along with your SERM. SERM will prevent estrogen from binding but will not lower estro so when discontinued test levels can plummet without concurrent administration of an AI.
01-18-2014, 02:29 PM
Sometimes its got active ingredients in it sometimes not...sometimes its underdosed, sometimes its overdosed...sometimes its got the wrong compound in it.
I once ordered Nolva and got 200mcg Clenbuterol labeled as nolva. After taking 400mcg I had to go to the hospital with heart palpitations.
Anyways, even if RC aromasin was 4$ you have no idea if your even getting aromasin and there is no recourse because it says right on the bottle not to eat it.
I know personally a few of these guys. Some are good guys. MANY are not and dont give a *&( if you get sick or die or otherwise.
They dont have any quality control and dont EVER test to see if the right drug is in there or at what concentrations.
Your walking a very dangerous line taking RC chems. Period.
Formeron is always dosed properly
always the right compound
A few dollars more to know your taking the right thing....
01-24-2014, 01:24 AM
01-24-2014, 01:39 AM
01-24-2014, 01:59 AM
Before I posted it, I looked on the NP site and searched "formeron" and it said no results. Could've been a typo on my part, or issues with the site while they were setting up the sale.
Either way, it looks like I was mistaken.
I can't see any reason why Formasurge would "blow" compared to formeron, although I definitely haven't used both.
01-24-2014, 04:27 AM
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