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    21 scared of Nolvadex for pct due to stunting growth..help


    OKay guys I know I am most likely done growing height wise because I am 21. On the other hand I am worried about facial growth being stunted as well as shoulder width. Many people say your shoulders grow out until age 25. This is the exact reason I chose halodrol clone!! It doesnt aromitize at all and is good for a first cycle. Well I am at the end of week two on my cycle(want to continue bc the money spent) and turns out nolva and clomid will stunt my growth forsure.

    cycle plan was:
    hdrol
    week one: 75
    week two: 75
    week three: 75
    week four: 75- maybe 100 mg
    week five: 100
    week six: undecided because idk how I will respond

    pct
    was going to do nolva 20, 20, 10, 10
    iron labs pct starting week two into my pct and run the bottle until it is finished
    maybe erase 4 weeks at a low dose when I run out of the iron labs pct

    If I dont use my nolva will my test levels forever be screwed up???
    also would daa + ai such as erase be sufficient instead of the nolva




    if you do research it is proven nolva fuses growth plates bc it acts like an estrogen

    week two and I feel great and I am really pumped for 3 when I actually feel it

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    bench is close to 300, same with squat, arms 17.5 and lean. overall I was bulkier, but have really leaned out since being in the 180s. I know I am too young but everyone said halo is so mild and all + no estrogen conversion..
    I just needed a boost after 5 years of lifting with no breaks longer then 1 week every 3 months or so..

    honestly just wanted to get into the upper 300s on bench and get to 185 with a bulk
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    Not sure where you are getting your info. Using prohormones or designer steroids can also stunt growth. That's why I recommend not starting a cycle till mid 20s.

    So your question about using a serm. Sure you could pct without it but I doubt you will be able to keep gains from cycle. Also who knows if your hormone levels recover. I can say they should but you may be that guy that gets gyno and never recovers. It's a risk you take in using said products.

    Fyi- I wouldn't cycle without a serm in pct. I think it's just dumb to take the chance of issues and why put in all the hard work to lose it during pct because it took too long to recover.
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    Fyi-While halo doesn't aromatise you always have the risk of rebound gyno
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    Fair enough. I do have nolva on hand..like I am not that stupid where I disregarded it completly.

    I know roids stunt growth, but technically the one I chose should due to the fact it has zero chance of aromitizing on cycle. Aftet cycle I was going to use and ai either erase or prescription(anyone know if erase is legit?)
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    I think forsure ill do a week of nomva at the least prob will do a month, but theres gotta be some alternative..
    Right?
    I mean shoot look at arnolds day they didnt have pct and were doing way harsher compounds conpared to a solo hdrol cycle.
    Also how to prevent estrogen rebound
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    You prevent estrogen rebound with AI and SERM. Your two weeks in. If you're that worried it's time to come off and never touch the stuff again. You really should have thought this through prior to taking your first dose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty22 View Post
    I think forsure ill do a week of nomva at the least prob will do a month, but theres gotta be some alternative..
    Right?
    I mean shoot look at arnolds day they didnt have pct and were doing way harsher compounds conpared to a solo hdrol cycle.
    Also how to prevent estrogen rebound
    My alternative would be not to run a ph/ds cycle. I prefer protection and to limit risk.

    Your choice brah roll the dice. If you are looking for someone to say "you will be fine without a serm" you may be on the wrong site. Prevent e2 rebound with an AI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty22 View Post
    Fair enough. I do have nolva on hand..like I am not that stupid where I disregarded it completly.

    I know roids stunt growth, but technically the one I chose should due to the fact it has zero chance of aromitizing on cycle. Aftet cycle I was going to use and ai either erase or prescription(anyone know if erase is legit?)
    Erase is gtg
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    There are other serm options
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    Well ill just run nolva if I do get ceazy shutdown. I know everyone will say nolva is preferred pct...just wondering if there could be any other possibility.

    Oh and if erase is gtg...when do I take it pct? Like Some people say Two weeks after your last hdrol dose or should I do it right after hdrol dose and then taper. Also should I do 8 weeks of a erase? like daa with erase for a month and then slowly taper the erase dose to just one pill a day second month
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    There are other serm options
    Yeah ralox and torem. With similar sides that op is afraid of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty22 View Post
    Well ill just run nolva if I do get ceazy shutdown. I know everyone will say nolva is preferred pct...just wondering if there could be any other possibility.

    Oh and if erase is gtg...when do I take it pct? Like Some people say Two weeks after your last hdrol dose or should I do it right after hdrol dose and then taper. Also should I do 8 weeks of a erase? like daa with erase for a month and then slowly taper the erase dose to just one pill a day second month
    The way you feel is not a clear indication of being "shut down".

    I prefer toremifene to Nolva. Week 3 of pct and extend out two weeks after completion of serm. Example:

    Nolva: 20/20/10/10
    Erase: 0/0/3/3/3/3
    Daa: 3g/3g/3g/3g

    Daa is a good test booster to add day one of pct. See above. You don't have to taper erase but you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty22 View Post
    Well ill just run nolva if I do get ceazy shutdown. I know everyone will say nolva is preferred pct...just wondering if there could be any other possibility.

    Oh and if erase is gtg...when do I take it pct? Like Some people say Two weeks after your last hdrol dose or should I do it right after hdrol dose and then taper. Also should I do 8 weeks of a erase? like daa with erase for a month and then slowly taper the erase dose to just one pill a day second month
    This is how I am going to run my next PCT
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    120 mg day 1 and 2 90for the rest of week 1
    90mg week 2
    60mg week 3 and 4
    DAA:3 grams week 1-6
    Erase 3 caps week 3-6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty22 View Post
    OKay guys I know I am most likely done growing height wise because I am 21. On the other hand I am worried about facial growth being stunted as well as shoulder width. Many people say your shoulders grow out until age 25. This is the exact reason I chose halodrol clone!! It doesnt aromitize at all and is good for a first cycle. Well I am at the end of week two on my cycle(want to continue bc the money spent) and turns out nolva and clomid will stunt my growth forsure.

    cycle plan was:
    hdrol
    week one: 75
    week two: 75
    week three: 75
    week four: 75- maybe 100 mg
    week five: 100
    week six: undecided because idk how I will respond

    pct
    was going to do nolva 20, 20, 10, 10
    iron labs pct starting week two into my pct and run the bottle until it is finished
    maybe erase 4 weeks at a low dose when I run out of the iron labs pct

    If I dont use my nolva will my test levels forever be screwed up???
    also would daa + ai such as erase be sufficient instead of the nolva




    if you do research it is proven nolva fuses growth plates bc it acts like an estrogen

    week two and I feel great and I am really pumped for 3 when I actually feel it
    Do you already have the Iron Labs PCT? If so use that and Nolva @20/20/20/20/10....no need to complicate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Do you already have the Iron Labs PCT? If so use that and Nolva @20/20/20/20/10....no need to complicate it
    I dont have the iron labs pct..I am undecided on what otc pct to buy. I want to have an AI on hand in case some gyno were to happen. Hell even with daa I would like to have an ai on hand. Also I think I will be using daa my last two weeks of hdrol cycle. Some people told me it takes 2 weeks to kick in, so by the time I finish my hdrol cycle the daa would start working right away(if it does in fact work at all) Also tribulus ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natty22 View Post

    I dont have the iron labs pct..I am undecided on what otc pct to buy. I want to have an AI on hand in case some gyno were to happen. Hell even with daa I would like to have an ai on hand. Also I think I will be using daa my last two weeks of hdrol cycle. Some people told me it takes 2 weeks to kick in, so by the time I finish my hdrol cycle the daa would start working right away(if it does in fact work at all) Also tribulus ?
    Daa takes 12 days to kick in to be exact but I still don't start it till day one of pct. Just remember the serm is the pct and every thing else is an add on.
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    Alright thanks a lot
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    Look at Tropinol XP for your PCT use also. Its very nice in PCT with a SERM and DAA product.
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    Look at Tropinol XP for your PCT use also. Its very nice in PCT with a SERM and DAA product.
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