GYNO , PCT, WORRYYYYY

[Lc3933]

This is going to be my first time run on any PH/DS, and after much research ive decided on using a Halodrol clone (specifically the Halomass provided here by celtic labs). I will be running it at 50/75/75/75/75, with a pct consisting of torem, erase, DAA, HCGenerate, compound 20, and titanium. I plan to taper up the erase and then taper down starting at week 2 of pct and continuing past the serm by 2 weeks as such 2/3/4/3/2/1. the thing im worried about is this "gyno rebound"people are talking about. From what ive researched both using a suicidal type inhibitor aswell as tapering should both be good strategies at avoiding this rebound type effect, but i was wondering if theres anything else i could also do to help avoid such thing from happening. also i was wondering if you knew how long after pct it would still be a possibility of such symptoms presenting themselves (ie. how long after pct do i no longer have to worry about it being a possibility of happening). any info would be greatly appreciated, thankyou

 

[GeekPoop]

i wouldn't worry about it at all. few of my friends just quit their cycles or whatever and taper whatever theyre using, and dont experience any rebound. i woulndt use an ai in pct but thats just me and my opinion

 

[Lc3933]

Why wouldn't you? Not disagreeing but interested in why not. I've never cycled but it seems to be a staple in every successful pct (a serm, a test booster, a cortisol controller, an ai)

 

[warbird01]

Looks good. Although kinda excessive with the OCT pct supps. Just stick with torem, erase, and daa. If you want to step it up a notch I would get an ArA product like x factor or x gels.

Save the hcgenerate, compound 20, and titanium for later use.

 

[warbird01]

I agree, and AI is not needed. Won't hurt though.

 

[OnionKnight]

rebound gymo is more of a scare from epistane than hdrol. reason is because epistane has ai properties, so it causes an estrogen dip on cycle. then it comes back full force during and after pct to rape your boobies

not so much of a scare with hdrol. at that dose and that overkill amount of otc sups, you shouldnt worry about it t all

and assuming your serm is good, its gonna be near impossible for estrogen to bind to the boobies when thats your serms binding site

 

[Aaron330]

rebound gymo is more of a scare from epistane than hdrol. reason is because epistane has ai properties, so it causes an estrogen dip on cycle. then it comes back full force during and after pct to rape your boobies

not so much of a scare with hdrol. at that dose and that overkill amount of otc sups, you shouldnt worry about it t all

and assuming your serm is good, its gonna be near impossible for estrogen to bind to the boobies when thats your serms binding site

Really? I had not heard this about Epistane. In fact I've heard the opposite, that Epistane has super low instances of causing Gyno. Have you seen this not to be true?

If so, what kind of PCT would you recommend for an Epi cycle?

 

[FranARG]

Nolva 20-20-10-10
Erase
DAA 3gr ED

I would also add clomid 150mg first 3 days then 50-50-25-25.

 

[pyrobatt]

This is going to be my first time run on any PH/DS, and after much research ive decided on using a Halodrol clone (specifically the Halomass provided here by celtic labs). I will be running it at 50/75/75/75/75, with a pct consisting of torem, erase, DAA, HCGenerate, compound 20, and titanium. I plan to taper up the erase and then taper down starting at week 2 of pct and continuing past the serm by 2 weeks as such 2/3/4/3/2/1. the thing im worried about is this "gyno rebound"people are talking about. From what ive researched both using a suicidal type inhibitor aswell as tapering should both be good strategies at avoiding this rebound type effect, but i was wondering if theres anything else i could also do to help avoid such thing from happening. also i was wondering if you knew how long after pct it would still be a possibility of such symptoms presenting themselves (ie. how long after pct do i no longer have to worry about it being a possibility of happening). any info would be greatly appreciated, thankyou

How old are you ? How long you been lifting? Serious questions.

 

[Lc3933]

I am 24, been lifting 6-7 days a week consistently for 2 years, dropped about 125 lbs of fat and put on about 40lbs of muscle. Stats are;
-24yrs
-6"4ft
-207lbs
-9.5% bf

 

[Aaron330]

Nolva 20-20-10-10
Erase
DAA 3gr ED

I would also add clomid 150mg first 3 days then 50-50-25-25.

That's pretty much exactly what I'm running for PCT. Why so high on the Clomid though? There's no way I could do three days at 150mg. I'd probably go blind lol.

 

[pyrobatt]

I am 24, been lifting 6-7 days a week consistently for 2 years, dropped about 125 lbs of fat and put on about 40lbs of muscle. Stats are;
-24yrs
-6"4ft
-207lbs
-9.5% bf

125 lbs in fat loss. Im guessing half your training years were spent in a deficit. So...you can definitely gain more naturally. To jump on steroids after just 2 years is not good. 40 lbs of muscle is bull ****. Some of that was probably muscle memory. 30 lbs maybe* given you're tall like me*6 - 7 days training is wayyyy tooo much.

But...I get off track alot. Most of the gyno from hdrol is prolactin based. Get some caber. Otc prolactin products arent that great. Some arent even proven.

 

[FranARG]

The reason is to jump start your balls with a massive dose. I did not experience any sides with Clomid, and I think they are a little bit exagerated.

 

[Lc3933]

What's caber? And how would I even go about getting something like that?

 

[Lc3933]

Also is it common to get a prolactin gyno from halodrol, or just a possibility?

 

[FranARG]

Caber is Cabergoline, google it up. You could get it from an RC...just dont ask for sources here because it is not allowed.

 

[Lc3933]

Something to be used in pct or on cycle? And like I said how comon are prolactin issues with halo

 

[EatMoar]

I am 24, been lifting 6-7 days a week consistently for 2 years, dropped about 125 lbs of fat and put on about 40lbs of muscle. Stats are;
-24yrs
-6"4ft
-207lbs
-9.5% bf

Lol I read this as "I've been lifting for 6 days total" TIME FOR.SLEEP

 

[pyrobatt]

Also is it common to get a prolactin gyno from halodrol, or just a possibility?

Yes it can happen.

 

[Aaron330]

The reason is to jump start your balls with a massive dose. I did not experience any sides with Clomid, and I think they are a little bit exagerated.

Does it really work that way tho? I've heard some guys say anything over 50 won't benefit your hormone levels anymore but only increase your sides. But if you've done it with success I'll take your word for it. Maybe I'll do 100 for 3 days

 

[FranARG]

I've done it and I never had any sides with Clomid

 

[Aaron330]

I've done it and I never had any sides with Clomid

Sweet. Do you think there is any need for a cortisol control either in PCT?

 

[Lc3933]

Yes, deffinitly. Inhibit X, erase/erasepro, or lean xtreme

 

[Aaron330]

Yes, deffinitly. Inhibit X, erase/erasepro, or lean xtreme

wait, were you responding to my question about the cortisol controller?

 

[Lc3933]

yes

 

[Aaron330]

Got it. I have Erase as my AI. What does Inhibit X do?

 

[Lc3933]

just a cort control

 

[Aaron330]

just a cort control

Ok. How do you cycle it on the PCT?

Is a cort control just to help you keep more of your gains, because cortisol will spike after cycle or something?

 

[Lc3933]

yup

 

[pyrobatt]

Ok. How do you cycle it on the PCT?

Is a cort control just to help you keep more of your gains, because cortisol will spike after cycle or something?

The influx of hormones caused by your production turning back on spikes physical stress and mental stress. Ill skip the science and just say neurotransmitters are ****ed up bro!