HCG and HMG PCT Restarts Keep Failing
- 04-15-2013, 04:40 PM
I know I'm being pushy and hasty it's just such a drag. I felt amazing before and now feel awful and I'm not in school because of this. My memory is terrible and I'm in such a terrible mood. I know you guys say to keep your head up but after a year it gets way too hard to do that.
- 04-15-2013, 04:46 PM
I will note that the doc found a small micro pituitary adenoma, but after tons of blood tests they found that it was nonfunctional and therefore not affecting me in anyway or my hormones in anyway so they won't remove it. It's small, about 5x5 MM. So after thinking it was that and after thinking it was plain old depression I'm pretty locked on to the low tetosterone theory. I just have no 'oomph' no desire to dominate like before. No sexual urges. I just want my old life back. I have 0 plans of ever taking a PH or steroid again. Never. Nothing against you guys, it's just I would never wanna go through this again.
Before I was very competitive and sexually aroused easily and had enthusiasm for days. Now they are nonexistent. A big side effects is just feeling dazed all the time. Like I'm daydreaming 24/7 but I can't willy way out of it.
- 04-15-2013, 05:00 PM
I am impatient because i worry if im just wasting time. TRT? i wonder if its necessary.
I've head blood tests come back in the 600-800 while ON clomid then after it was always back in the 300-400 range, and at these times my balls were still shrunk all the time.
I've had my prolactin, cortisol, vitamin levels, liver enzymes and everything on the Female Hormone Panel blood test on LabCorp an they all came back in range. Estrogen has been routinely fine as well as Free T %. Normal thyroid levels. The only thing that moves around is the T(with good reason). I know everyone says ball size has nothing to do with T level but I feel that it has SOMETHING to do with it.
I had always heard if PCT didnt work that I was still shutdown and to run more clomid etc. usually people's balls would return but mine never did. That's why I did the HCG HMG protocol and they are back! Maybe NOW the SERMS will raise and KEEP my T levels up because my balls can sustain it? I don't know it's just what I've gathered from reading countless forums for months and months.
Keep in mind I've stopped the SERMS and T boosters and Im gonna keep to that.
Im merely trying to explain why I did the things I did.
Anytime you guys respond it feels great by the way.
04-15-2013, 05:03 PM
Not a sarcastic question or a scare attempt but have you been checked for a Brain Tumor? Im not trying to be Dr House or anything but the zoned out feeling may be something far more severe...
Google energy levels when you have a brain tumor and click on the link from the brain science foundation, it is an interesting read.
Hit me up with any questions any time.
04-15-2013, 05:07 PM
04-15-2013, 05:47 PM
Im getting bloodwork in a week by the way.
Would taking a Preworkout before lifting be a good idea to motivate myself now or a bad one?
04-15-2013, 07:06 PM
04-15-2013, 07:16 PM
04-16-2013, 03:44 PM
04-17-2013, 04:25 AM
I don't feel any better yet but ill hang in there. Is it normal for balls to change size a bit throughout the day? Like firmness as well and tightness of the scrotum?
Getting my Testosterone and SHBG tested tomorrow morning and I'm working on getting a full test set up once a week for the next 4 weeks or so before my appointment with my new endo.
04-21-2013, 07:02 PM
Felt a bit better today. Not as anxious more confident. My workout was better. Felt more endurance. Blood results should be in Tuesday.
04-21-2013, 07:22 PM
04-22-2013, 02:03 AM
I do think that without the HCG I did it would have been a longer wait. They really helped kick my balls back. But resting my body off the supplements is showing to be monumental.
04-22-2013, 02:27 PM
Hit me up with any questions any time.
04-27-2013, 03:15 PM
A little update, I haven't improved any more sense feeling a bit better last week. Still no sex drive or random erections. Feel very stressed, emotional, fatigued, and just worried overall. Blood tests are taking longer than expected. Haven't been taking any supplements. It feels as if that initial energy burst was from the caffeine withdrawal ending, not from test levels. I feel like I just have no testosterone ever, I just have no aggression confidence will or competitiveness. Its also very hard to have conversations with people because of the fatigue and mental confusion. Thanks
04-27-2013, 03:57 PM
Also cns fatigue is a complete myth
04-27-2013, 04:20 PM
One reason I've really thought it was hormone issues is because my test has dropped everytime I discontinue Clomid. I meant 350 isn't enough. I'm 22. I only retain fat like crazy even though my cortisol levels are in range.
Wouldnt you think that is the issue though? The only reason I'm emotional and everything I feel is because of my hormone issues.
As for CNS fatigue. It's gotta be real. How else do you explain caffeine tolerance and fatigue after stopping? Also haven't they shown in studies that too much intense exercise causing CNS fatigue?
04-27-2013, 04:21 PM
I don't get the normal erections daily it has to be self induced. I mean that alone says it right?
04-27-2013, 04:34 PM
Do you have gyno at all? Lactation? Have you grown a vaj?
Not trying to stir up anything here but I am trying to make a point. Yes your hormones are all over the place because you won't let your body recover on its own naturally. Taking clomid every two or three months will throw the homeostasis of your hormone levels out of wack. YOU are causing yourself to go thru an emotional roller coaster. Also you seem VERY preoccupied with your nuts. You're stressing yourself out man! Over nothing! Who cares how big your nuts are! It seems more like you have body dysmorphia issues more than anything else, maybe manic depressive. Literally every post you center the discussion on the size of your nuts, even the title of the thread. Mental health bro...
And no, CNS fatigue is a myth
04-27-2013, 04:39 PM
Manic depression (bipolar disorder) could explain your highs and lows, lack of confidence, motivation issues, drive. It is known to strike adults out of left field and with no warning whatsoever...
I'm no therapist or doctor but I seriously think you need to see a shrink bro. And be completely honest and open about everything
04-27-2013, 04:45 PM
I don't want to get you down so I hope I'm not coming off that way. I wish you the best in resolving your issues. Get better bro
04-27-2013, 05:04 PM
yes it is my fault for prolonging this. I stupidly kept taking clomid. I'm done taking it though. It's been about 2 weeks or more since I stopped.
I have slight gyno from my first cycle and only tiny bit of lactation if I mess with them. Which I don't. But I got that after my first cycle and never worried about it so its not causing my feelings.
I keep bringing up my testicles because its the only physical thing, other than some fat gain, that's different that I normally am. And because my 1st cycle my nuts never shrunk. I personally don't care if they are big. I just thought maybe that was a concern for my T production and because its just the only thing different about my body, like I said.
I really do stress myself out but I'm so exhausted all the time and don't have life's enthusiam, so it's hard for me to get out of the house and do much. I can't really go socialize because I'm so drained all the time no matter what my sleep is like.
What is going on with the caffeine withdrawal if its not CNS? How do you explain when your muscles aren't sore anymore but you can't push as much weight?
04-27-2013, 05:09 PM
04-27-2013, 05:20 PM
04-27-2013, 05:21 PM
Just imagine how stressed and paranoid you'd feel if you had been in the worst part of your PCT for 14 straight months. You kinda drive yourself crazy. But if you recovered you'd feel fine again
04-27-2013, 05:25 PM
Also I took pramipexole for a while.
04-27-2013, 05:31 PM
Clomid cycles will mess up your hormones because incidental use of the compound raises test in males WHILE on it. Once you stop taking it your levels will drop somewhat. Your continuous use is causing havoc to your bodies natural production. Over time levels will naturally find a balance unless you have caused permanent damage to your thyroid or testes. You should allow your body at least half a year to try and recover from the abuse you've put it through. The thyroid is a very resilient organ. Testes as well but they may take more time. If your docs can't figure it out, if I were you I would try to stay away from supps for several months then get bloods. If all is still not well I would then try a reboot with some natty test booster and estro management such as DAA + erase pro, or something similar
04-27-2013, 05:34 PM
It really is a waiting game. It's gonna take considerable time for you to recover unless one of your docs can figure it out
04-27-2013, 05:39 PM
So you're saying clomid will boost it at the beginning of PCT so you don't immediately lose gains but it won't work now because its too late?
Whats the point in using clomid if your T drops after?
04-27-2013, 05:56 PM
Is it bad if I slightly lactate as I am even if my estrogen and prolactin are in range? How would you even stop it? The prami didnt make me feel any better although it halted the prolactin
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