HCG and HMG PCT Restarts Keep Failing
- 04-21-2013, 05:02 PM
- 04-21-2013, 05:22 PM
- 04-22-2013, 12:03 AM
I do think that without the HCG I did it would have been a longer wait. They really helped kick my balls back. But resting my body off the supplements is showing to be monumental.
04-22-2013, 12:27 PM
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04-27-2013, 01:15 PM
A little update, I haven't improved any more sense feeling a bit better last week. Still no sex drive or random erections. Feel very stressed, emotional, fatigued, and just worried overall. Blood tests are taking longer than expected. Haven't been taking any supplements. It feels as if that initial energy burst was from the caffeine withdrawal ending, not from test levels. I feel like I just have no testosterone ever, I just have no aggression confidence will or competitiveness. Its also very hard to have conversations with people because of the fatigue and mental confusion. Thanks
04-27-2013, 01:57 PM
Also cns fatigue is a complete myth
04-27-2013, 02:20 PM
One reason I've really thought it was hormone issues is because my test has dropped everytime I discontinue Clomid. I meant 350 isn't enough. I'm 22. I only retain fat like crazy even though my cortisol levels are in range.
Wouldnt you think that is the issue though? The only reason I'm emotional and everything I feel is because of my hormone issues.
As for CNS fatigue. It's gotta be real. How else do you explain caffeine tolerance and fatigue after stopping? Also haven't they shown in studies that too much intense exercise causing CNS fatigue?
04-27-2013, 02:21 PM
I don't get the normal erections daily it has to be self induced. I mean that alone says it right?
04-27-2013, 02:34 PM
Do you have gyno at all? Lactation? Have you grown a vaj?
Not trying to stir up anything here but I am trying to make a point. Yes your hormones are all over the place because you won't let your body recover on its own naturally. Taking clomid every two or three months will throw the homeostasis of your hormone levels out of wack. YOU are causing yourself to go thru an emotional roller coaster. Also you seem VERY preoccupied with your nuts. You're stressing yourself out man! Over nothing! Who cares how big your nuts are! It seems more like you have body dysmorphia issues more than anything else, maybe manic depressive. Literally every post you center the discussion on the size of your nuts, even the title of the thread. Mental health bro...
And no, CNS fatigue is a myth
04-27-2013, 02:39 PM
Manic depression (bipolar disorder) could explain your highs and lows, lack of confidence, motivation issues, drive. It is known to strike adults out of left field and with no warning whatsoever...
I'm no therapist or doctor but I seriously think you need to see a shrink bro. And be completely honest and open about everything
04-27-2013, 02:45 PM
I don't want to get you down so I hope I'm not coming off that way. I wish you the best in resolving your issues. Get better bro
04-27-2013, 03:04 PM
yes it is my fault for prolonging this. I stupidly kept taking clomid. I'm done taking it though. It's been about 2 weeks or more since I stopped.
I have slight gyno from my first cycle and only tiny bit of lactation if I mess with them. Which I don't. But I got that after my first cycle and never worried about it so its not causing my feelings.
I keep bringing up my testicles because its the only physical thing, other than some fat gain, that's different that I normally am. And because my 1st cycle my nuts never shrunk. I personally don't care if they are big. I just thought maybe that was a concern for my T production and because its just the only thing different about my body, like I said.
I really do stress myself out but I'm so exhausted all the time and don't have life's enthusiam, so it's hard for me to get out of the house and do much. I can't really go socialize because I'm so drained all the time no matter what my sleep is like.
What is going on with the caffeine withdrawal if its not CNS? How do you explain when your muscles aren't sore anymore but you can't push as much weight?
04-27-2013, 03:09 PM
04-27-2013, 03:20 PM
04-27-2013, 03:21 PM
Just imagine how stressed and paranoid you'd feel if you had been in the worst part of your PCT for 14 straight months. You kinda drive yourself crazy. But if you recovered you'd feel fine again
04-27-2013, 03:25 PM
Also I took pramipexole for a while.
04-27-2013, 03:31 PM
Clomid cycles will mess up your hormones because incidental use of the compound raises test in males WHILE on it. Once you stop taking it your levels will drop somewhat. Your continuous use is causing havoc to your bodies natural production. Over time levels will naturally find a balance unless you have caused permanent damage to your thyroid or testes. You should allow your body at least half a year to try and recover from the abuse you've put it through. The thyroid is a very resilient organ. Testes as well but they may take more time. If your docs can't figure it out, if I were you I would try to stay away from supps for several months then get bloods. If all is still not well I would then try a reboot with some natty test booster and estro management such as DAA + erase pro, or something similar
04-27-2013, 03:34 PM
It really is a waiting game. It's gonna take considerable time for you to recover unless one of your docs can figure it out
04-27-2013, 03:39 PM
So you're saying clomid will boost it at the beginning of PCT so you don't immediately lose gains but it won't work now because its too late?
Whats the point in using clomid if your T drops after?
04-27-2013, 03:56 PM
Is it bad if I slightly lactate as I am even if my estrogen and prolactin are in range? How would you even stop it? The prami didnt make me feel any better although it halted the prolactin
04-27-2013, 04:06 PM
04-27-2013, 04:29 PM
And no I didn't mean to put words in your mouth about thyroid/clomid. I was simply asking if PCT had an effect on it because you mentioned te thyroid possibly bein out of whack. I never thought it did btw.
04-27-2013, 06:02 PM
palmfist do you have any input on my lactation question an do you know why people have to stop Preworkouts for a month or so?
04-28-2013, 02:08 PM
04-28-2013, 02:28 PM
There you go. First two hits on google. Do some of your own leg work. I'm done here. GL with everything...
04-28-2013, 02:38 PM
Could very well be related to caffeine and cortisol issues. Im 22. Thank you again. Your help and effort means alot to me.
04-29-2013, 09:00 AM
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04-30-2013, 02:12 AM
Mince I'm feeling much better I may take a crack at getting rid of the small amount of gyno I have.
Mots got small mardi gras sized beads behind each nipple and it pushes out making it puffy and not as tight to my chest as it should be.
I've attempted to remove it a few times before with Letro and got results but when I tapered down it came back. I have Letro, Aromasin, and Nolva.
How would you go about doing that when the time comes?
04-30-2013, 02:17 AM
Usually taper letro up to 2 until its completely gone then taper down to 0 at that point add in exem 6-25 mg a day for a couple weeks then get off. Exem is a suicide inhibitor so no worry of rebound
Been reading up on clomid cycles that last months on end bro. Seem to be completely safe in regards to sides. I'll post a link for you to check out. That said I still think you need time off everything for awhile...
04-30-2013, 02:19 AM
04-30-2013, 04:45 AM
04-30-2013, 04:47 AM
05-01-2013, 10:01 PM
I got a giant list of bloods done yesterday. Hopefully it will be ready tomorrow.
Since my stress levels have been so high and ove been so tired for so long and I have maybe 15 pounds of extra fat that I didn't have before all this, I'm thinking cortisol has something to do with it (we will find out when the results come). I started making blueberry+ strawberry+ V8+ banana+ spinach smoothies everyday. Eating healthy wheat sandwiches and lots of peas and corn too. I also picked up some melatonin to help with sleep and valerian root. I also am taking 4-6 grams of Vit C a day, a Vitamin B complex, and a Multivitamin every morning as well. Also a decaf green tea pill in the morning.
My question is, if this is cortisol related, when can I see: 1. A homeostasis with cortisol. 2. Symptoms of severe anxiety, stress, fatigue, and sex drive to normalize. 3. Abdominal fat loss.
Most of that 15 pounds has accumulated around my waist.
Cant wait to get my blood results! I will post them soon!
05-02-2013, 08:29 PM
05-07-2013, 11:11 AM
Alright guys most of my results are done. Still waiting on estradiol and dht. It's not labcorp so I can't see them in person but the nurse was willing to tell me a few over the phone. This was done last Wednesday so about 3 weeks post HCG and then the clomid/Nolva.
Test is 650. That's great.
Cortisol is 18. That was around 10:30 am. Said it was normal.
Only thing out of range so far was Total Estrogen. Can anybody clarify the difference between that and estradiol??
that total estrogen I think she said was in the 170's and the highest normal end was like in the 130's.
So what do you think so far!?
I have bad anxiety stress low sex drive and get less random boners although I usually get morning wood and get some erections in the day. Hard time thinking straight and no confidence. More emotional thinking. Less drive for sex more of a focus on past relationships.
05-07-2013, 10:31 PM
Anybody know what I should do about the high estrogen? I should have the estradiol results this week.
From what I understand, estradiol is one of 3 parts that make up total estrogen. Is estradiol the only important one for men?
05-08-2013, 02:30 PM
I have Aromasin, Letro, and Prami.
05-08-2013, 05:15 PM
Anybody? Some help please. Dont really have problems with ED, but i do with Libido. Really wanna get back on track and feel normal again. Tired of being 20 pounds over my normal weight and unable to lose it. Tired of having no sex drive or energy ever. Is the estrogen causing this? Does it just depend on estradiol?
05-08-2013, 05:30 PM
We already told you. You need to chill on all the supplements and drugs. It takes time. You are obsessing and making the situation worse.
AM sucks ass. find me on ASF or IMF.
05-08-2013, 05:40 PM
Yes I get that but now we actually know my estrogen is high after being off everything for almost a month with no improvements. Sorry for freaking out but I've been debilitated for 15 months straight. I'm tired of this I'm going insane and i hate life because of it. I just want some help. Don't tell me to just relax because you can't relax for a year straight with no results
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