severe ED a year after Tren = STILL:( Please HELP!
- 04-20-2010, 01:34 AM
severe ED a year after Tren = STILL:( Please HELP!
Hello there -
I have posted a couple of other threads and based on where I am at now - I am starting a new one.
I took Tren Xtreme last year like an idiot I didnt know what I was doing. I didn't run anything with it and for a PCT I took OTC Novadex XT which I find out now was not strong enough.
Since then I have tried a variety of things to get back on track.
A couple months ago I got to the point where I had ZERO Libido and severe ED. The little wouldn't wake up to save his life. I could force myself to ejactulate with a limpy but it was watery and pretty lame. Something is really wrong. Its not in my head.
I have been to the doctor and they say the blood work is "normal" and the endo and the urologist and PCP all say they have no clue. The only thing I haven't had tested and they refuse to test me for is the Progesterone and DHT.
The only thing I could do to get it to work and feel normal has been the following:
200mg of Test-C that the doc first gave me. I have done this twice about 6 months ago and both times it had me working fine for about a week but I didnt want to go on HRT.
The other thing is 6-oxo. At one point I tried running a 45 day taper down from 600 - 0. I didn't get any traction at 600 so I bumped it to 800 a night and it had an astounding effect on my ability to get an erection. I tapered down 100mg every 4 days. Once I got to about 400mg i noticed it was difficult to sustain an erection and then it fell off from there.
So about a month ago I tried a Clomid restart with 50/50/25/25 and I wasn't getting any results. Most people were saying that they had been successful with CLomid after a week or so. After about 3 weeks. - LITERALLY watching my penis SHRINK. At one point it was about an inch big with no life at all. I could manipulate it to grow a little bit but it was like 30% erection and it was a few inches (about half) of my normal erections a year ago. Needless to say I was going in the wrong direction with the Clomid.
So I realize that people who take tren and deca take it with Test. So at this point my theory is that I am not converting to DHT or something. SOmething is terribly wrong. So I decide to commit to a 10 week 250mg/wk Test-E cycle. And come off the right way because i know exactly how now. Because I know that worked before and I can't stand it anymore my girlfriend is going to leave me and my penis is tiny like a boy now.
That night my girlfriend came over and I haven't been able to do anything is so long so I took 800mg of 6-oxo and I got an erection (a small little penis erection). I was taking 25mg of Clomid.
The next night I started the Test-E cycle and discontinued the Clomid.
I feel great. Finally - I feel normal I have energy again. This was Wednesday. By Thursday I felt like a whole new man. I got my libido back! I forgot what it even felt like to be horny!
But here is the problem. Last time I took the Testosterone I got a normal erection. Now I have some more girth and it has grown a bit but it is flimsy and weak. I can keep it up. I can't f*ck properly because it isn't rigid. This wasn't the problem before when I took the test shot. Maybe it was because I took the 6-oxo? The Clomid? Because I let my symptoms continue for so long because the doctors wouldnt do anything I just waited and watched my penis shrink like I was getting younger. So if I have my libido back and energy why isn't my penis getting hard? It gets about 60% hard now. Thats it. That is also with 100mg of Pfizer brand Viagra. Viagra does nothing at all. I can get just as hard with or with out it.
I am down for anything - I am going to move forward with 9 more weeks and do a proper PCT.
But does anyone know what I can do ? What is wrong with my penis? It worked before about 6 months ago when I took the test?
Why does 6-oxo make it work? I want to take another 800 mg just to make it work but I dont want to set myself back anymore!!
Please help - does anyone know what is going on?
- 04-20-2010, 01:52 AM
- 04-20-2010, 01:55 AM
04-20-2010, 02:14 AM
Sounds pretty serious. Might want to hit up Dr. John's board for some more detailed info. Go to http://www.allthingsmale.com/links.html then it is the first link.
Otherwise check out the Male Anti Aging Forum here on AM
04-20-2010, 10:22 AM
04-20-2010, 10:47 AM
i would stop what your doing. Go to the DR and only take what he gives you. At some point in time you want to get back to normal. Otherwise you will face this sh!t for life. ONLY TAKE WHAT YOU GET FROM A PRO. cycles and other normal pct compounds you buy online are not gonig to fix your problem they are only a temp solution. THNK ABOUT IT.
04-20-2010, 10:48 AM
04-20-2010, 11:29 AM
04-20-2010, 05:01 PM
04-20-2010, 05:09 PM
04-20-2010, 06:17 PM
04-20-2010, 06:24 PM
OK; enough telling him to go to the doctor. He stated in his OP and then again in a subsequent post that he has seen several doctors across disciplines multiple times and he is seeking additional help.
04-20-2010, 06:33 PM
04-20-2010, 08:35 PM
Well, first of all, the problem is you DON"T KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING.
Stop. Stop taking the test-e. Its making things worse in the long run.
Stop taking the 6-oxo...it could be making things worse. You may have high estrogen and low testosterone. The 6oxo is suppressing your E and making your feel better in the short run but it may lead to rebounds.
and STOP GOING TO THAT DOCTOR HES AND IDIOT.
1st - you dont fix low-t symptoms with Testosterone Injections, unless you are going to commit to them for life.
2nd - Low-T, steroids, hormones, etc DO NOT MAKE YOUR PENIS SHRINK/GROW.
All this crap about your penis not being rigid, shriking to an inch, etc...its all bullcrap. Its just your libido and strenth of your erections because of your libido/estrogens/testosterone. Your d*ck is 100% not smaller or bigger from anything you are taking.
You need to 1st and foremost get a blood test.
- what is your Total T
- What is you Free T
- what is your Estradiol
These 3 things will for the most part determine your issue.
Given the facts you already told us about your doctor stating everything was "normal" and then prescribing your "testosterone cyp". Hes not doing his job right. The range for testosterone is 250ng/dl-1200ng. 250 is that of an 80yr old and 900+ is a 20 yrd old. Any number on the range could be considered normal. However, you probably are at the bottom of the range and are not feeling normal.
My blind recommendation would be to get back on clomid at 25mg/day for 60 days. Don't take any 6oxo or any AI unless you have nipple sensativity or bloating. After the clomid, start arimidex at .25mg E3D for a little while and see what happens.
The main point here that I can't stress enought is f*ck all endo's and uro's they are TERRRIBLE!!! Go to an anti-aging doctor that deals with hormone optimization/replacement
I went to 7 doctors with rock bottom T levels who told me I was normal. My d*ck didn't worth either. It wasn't until I found an anti-aging clinic that my problem was solved.
04-20-2010, 09:13 PM
I have received those tests. But the problem is that last time I had that combo it was back in January and wouldn't reflect what I have in my body right now. I cant get the doctors office to order new tests anymore. The PCP has pushed me off to the endo and the endo says I need to see a "specialist" at UCLA and still hasnt gotten back to me. If I just stop everything at once arent I going to just fall off hard again?
I have tried not taking anything for 60 days and it didn't help at all. I took the Clomid for a little over 3 weeks and it got me no where. It wasn't until I took the Test-E shot I finally felt normal again.
Can you make a recommendation for a doctor? Any anti-aging doctors who take insurance?
So you are HRT forever now? You couldnt get it up even though they were telling you were fine?
I understand how to run a Test-E cycle and come off of it the right way. Considering how I was before I did the Test what is the harm in staying on it for a month or two and give my self a chance? You think that will make it worse? If I take Nolvadex and taper off of the 6-oxo will that help me eliminate the 6-oxo rebound? Right now if I am going to get off of the Test-E (I have only taken one ) then I want to do it with the minimal fall off. Then once I stop, and start the Clomid should I go see an anti-aging doc right away? Do I need to wait?
04-20-2010, 09:29 PM
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04-20-2010, 09:58 PM
04-21-2010, 08:11 AM
Stilllearnin, Monster gave ya some good suggestions. Bottom line is is that your using a temp fix to try to solve the problem. This will not work, repeat, will not work. Think about it for a moment; you're back "on" don't confuse that for feeling normal. The more you play around with this stuff the longer and more profound the problem will persist. New labs are definitely in order :total t, free t, e, sbhg, and prolactin. These all have to be in the correct proportion for your body. Also, if they are not in correct proportion, viagra won't do jack. Viagra treats primarily vascular type issues and if your hormones ain't right, forget it. See an anti-aging doc and start the process.
04-21-2010, 02:03 PM
steroids don't make you shrink. end of story.
your problem is purely hormonal in the fact that your libido is shot.
You are probably driving your estrogen too low with the 6oxo which is why the viagra isnt working.
Go to an anti-aging doctor. Check out Dr. shippen or crisler.
Stop taking stuff randomly.
04-23-2010, 03:15 PM
Ok, believe it or not, it started with the Tren and then your head took over. Been there done that. Have your doc write you a script for Cialis daily dose. Go online and get a free 30 day trial. Use the 30 and then wean yourself off on the next 30 you pay for. You will be hard as new )
04-23-2010, 04:12 PM
04-23-2010, 06:07 PM
04-24-2010, 02:47 PM
04-24-2010, 02:50 PM
i think that monsterbox has been able to offer the best advice so far.
i am feeling much better now with the test-e and i have been tapering down the 6-oxo i went from 8 to 7 to 6 ... i am at 3 a day now while i wait to get some a-dex. im gonna PCT out of it after week 8. the reality is that at no point was my test in the "normal" range higher in that range then the the Estrodiol was in the "normal" range. ie: test would be at 500/1200 but estrog would be at 9/10. I needed to switch that.
i can get it up now. (FINALLY~its been about a year) Not perfect but it works compared to what i was working with before. there may be some atrophy to deal with at this point.
In the mean time i have an appointment with an anti-aging doc right about that time. so when the pct is over if i am right back to square one then my it will be time to see the doc. these docs have 2-3 month waiting lists around here so this will work and at least i can bang my chick in the mean time.
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04-24-2010, 08:05 PM
04-28-2010, 04:35 PM
Oh, I must have skipped the part where you said you were licensed physician AND knew everything about scripts! But, how is it that you KNOW everything, but failed to even suggest a possible course of action for the guy. Go roid rage in a closet while I roid rage on your mother...............
04-29-2010, 06:31 PM
04-29-2010, 09:44 PM
Wow.. I am in the same boat!!!! I took a version of Winstrol and D-Bol and have had erection problems the past year. I found out that Cialis won't work if you are taking a lot of supps. Cialis helps me and I get blood flow but my erections are very very weak and they are hard to keep!
The only time I have ever been okay is when I take certain herbs...but they only last a a day or two and I go back to normal. For example Yohimbine has helped and I woke up with a good erection for two days when I took ZMA...but it just seems like they wear off.
I took winstrol and so now I think my androgen levels are all messed up!
Does anyone have any suggests on what I should do? Should I get HCG? What about HGH? I have tried clomid but that hasn't done anything. What about ALRI Restore...will that mess me up even more?
As of right now I am going to look for an anti-aging docter or see Docter John!! I have seen urologists and endroconolgists and they dont do anything!! They say test is fine but just low for my age. It was 417 on a scale of 400 to 1200.
Any advice would help!!
05-02-2010, 02:00 PM
Once you get this all straighten out... NEXT time do your homework and research more before you dive into the unknown. Jumping on and off again just makes matter worse. Tren like Deca are really hard on the body and take time to get out of the system. Long PCT is required along with patience. Girlfriend is just going to have to chill until the boys are back onboard. You should have HCG in the PCT mix next time... Use something not so harsh next time if you do another cycle.
Just how long did you run tren extreme?
05-02-2010, 02:05 PM
05-02-2010, 02:31 PM
05-04-2010, 07:52 PM
05-04-2010, 08:23 PM
U posted your total test but not your free test. I have had great results with divanex from nutraplanet it frees bound test. A good 4 weeks of nolva 20/20/10/10 with a good pct test booster. Primordial performances TRS stack would be my choice but their are many out there that have gotten good reviews so take your pick. yohimbe promotes bloodflow but its not addressing the underlying problem. HCG is best used ON CYCLE to prevent shut down it will help now but again not addressing the underlying problem. Your natural test production is off your HPTA needs to be restored.
05-05-2010, 06:49 PM
a lot of times this is psychological... while you may be recovered at least to enough of a degree for normal libido etc, your mind may still think it's shut down.
my recommendation is get your hands on some proviron and take for a month or so, just to feel virile again... provi won't shut you down to any significant degree (maybe a few percentage points decrease in test i think is what's supported by med lit) and if anything it will free up some bound testosterone... after that you should be fine, the male libido does not respond well to defeat.
nolva/clomid IME tends to jsut make erectile and libido issues worse. u don't have to have 1000ng/dl of test floating around to have a healthy sex drive, both before and after AAS use i maintain test levels at the bottom of the reference range ~400ng/dl and have a healthy sex drive (26 y/o) with no erectile problems.
ironically when i was younger i did have occasional issues with drive & ed, but for some reason ever since i stopped going out and getting drunk every weekend i dont' have these issues anymore.
also after taking clomid, despite having lab tested normal test levels i had erectile difficulties for months afterwards...
05-05-2010, 07:00 PM
I re-read your post...
I want to really stress to you not to freak out... this is okay... the worst part is feeling like a ****less wonder and not being able to really **** the **** out of your GF... it will pass, that i am certain of... you have not "damaged yourself" as i was in a similar situation after my first cycle which was actually really well planned, but i used the "tried and true" clomid and it caused all of the problems you mentioned above.
proviron proviron proviron, 50mg ed.
right now you undoubtedly still have clomid in your system, it takes weeks for it to totally clear from your body, and even then it may take your body some time to "rebalance" hence a possible explanation for my few months of pre-pubescent frustration following my first PCT.
05-05-2010, 07:16 PM
05-05-2010, 07:21 PM
I would suggest you get on clomid for 6 weeks at 50mg ED (Dont really wanna take clomid longer than that). Aromasin all the way through at 12.5mg ED.. No rebound should occur. After all that, possibly get on testopro/perform to raise and free up test and raise libido.. Course start that course of treatment after any synthetic hormones have left the body so nothing interferes. If you do that, your estro will be in check, your HPTA should be restored and you test levels normal or near normal.. Also, cholesterol can give you ED problems.. Something to think about.
05-06-2010, 11:58 PM
05-07-2010, 12:33 AM
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