Formestane AI question
- 03-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Formestane AI question
I was basically wondering, seen as Form has a boosting effect on the gonads could you use it in a simular way to HCG in the sense you could use it during the last week or two of your PH/PS cycle to boost natural test and ball weight a week before starting a serm? Or would it be more prudent to use the serm as normal then use the formastane a couple of weeks into the serm use and continue for two weeks or so after the serm use ceases. Thanks.
- 03-30-2010, 06:59 PM
03-30-2010, 08:05 PM
I doubt formestane is going to be as quick acting a hcg so maybe it nots such a great idea to help htpa function in that way. But then why use it along side a serm if serms already boost the natural production of test? I want to get it alongside my serm defiantely but i need to know if-
1. if it would work mid or toward end of a PH/PS cycle to boost gonads and contine dose until end(or maybe ramp down form after 2 weeks??).
or 2.Use after a couple of weeks of serm use to ensure swinging balls.(although would it be fair to say potentialy 6 weeks of estrogen suppression via the serm and estrogen inhibitation via the AI may result in some kind of estrogen bounce back again?? Forgive me if im way off the mark.
Or 3. Wether i should save the AI and only use the serm, and then if the serm hasnt made me feel recovered then step in with the formestane?
or finally 4. Should one Upon completion of AS/PS if they only notice slight suppression or hardly any, just use the formestane, and then keep a close eye out for estro sides over the persuing weeks/months with a box of serms on hand just in case??
Anybodys views on tis would be much appreiciated.
03-31-2010, 08:26 AM
03-31-2010, 12:12 PM
Towards the end of a cycle i like to use an AI to reduce the amount of estrogen before starting pct. so i think this will help some.
03-31-2010, 12:21 PM
03-31-2010, 01:13 PM
Failing that I have been told that a proper serm would sufice for something as mild as a epistane cycle, but would it be prudent to have an AI on hand just in case?
03-31-2010, 01:34 PM
depends, some ph's and ds already decrease estro levels and do not amortize, so an AI is not nessasary on cycle or in tail end of cycle...if I take an AI like form...I like to add it in on my 4th wk of pct and run it for about 3-4wks tappered down at the end
03-31-2010, 01:52 PM
03-31-2010, 02:30 PM
As wasted said, I too like to use an AI at least at the end of a cycle "bridging" into my PCT. I also always continue them into PCT and then taper them down after. As for the conversion to 4-hydroxytest, it is not a large amount, but it could prolong recovery. Personally to prevent this; I drop my dosage of formestane from the "bridge" into PCT when I start PCT to a small amount i.e 50mg /day and then taper it up slightly throughout PCT and at the end/right after my PCT to the highest level i.e 300 mg /day where I will taper it down from that point to avoid rebound. The most important thing to remember with formestane is that you want to reap the benefits of the AI and the small increase in androgens (4-hydroxytest) without sacraficing your total recovery. This is a delicate balance, but can be achieved with proper cycle layout/design.
03-31-2010, 02:33 PM
03-31-2010, 06:51 PM
03-31-2010, 07:01 PM
Nolv- 0/ 0/ 0/ 0/40/30/20/20
form- 0/ 0/0F/f/ F/ F/ F/ F/ F/ F and so on
Then basically running the formestane from say half way through the 2nd week of epi at 200 the third week 200 and 4 week 200 then ramp back to 100/50 in the fith and sixth and then back up to 100-200 for the rest of the course.
03-31-2010, 07:06 PM
04-01-2010, 11:20 AM
04-01-2010, 01:40 PM
Many thanks Beast. The last couple of days on here have been most helpful and I finally think I have a decent plan in place.
I have a friend who is digging out a bit of letro for me to. This im just going to keep stashed away with some nolva for a saftey net just incase something goes tits up(pardon the expession).
I will take your advice on the formestane use if I choose to use some(i will defo buy some eitherway).
04-01-2010, 02:21 PM
For a 30/30/30/30 epi cycle I would NOT go over 20mg nolva /day. I would do:
Anymore than that for this cycle would be gross overkill, and if you are looking into letro be aware that it is some strong stuff. You do not need more than 0.25mg per day to control estrogen. Anastrozole is much weaker mg:mg than letro. People often only use 0.25mg - 0.5mg of anastrozole ED or EOD during a test cycle to control estrogen.
04-01-2010, 06:00 PM
Thanks again. The letro is more of a saftey net for maybe months after the cycle just in case of 'delayed gyno' (if thats a fair thing to call it). I'll follow my serm PCT as normal(now lower after your kind insight) with maybe the formestane involved as we disgused pervious. Like I say I just want a bit of nolva and letro on hand in the medicine cabnet just to ensure if any following months I experience sore nipples, or more in particualr a lump, i can get straight on it to deal with it the best way I can. I have had gyno surgery recently so im playing safe/safe as possible. I know what risks im taking, but it was a harsh 5 week SD cycle that give me the lump. Up until then I tollereate t-100(san, 1-test) and nor andro PH's well with out any real sides to complain of. But the SD, well that F*cked things up. That was like 2007 and I haven touched PH/PS ever since not even normal supps. I been natural for 3 years now. Sorry to ask this out of context within the PCT thread, but do you think a 30/30/30/30 epi cycle may be a bit over ambitious to run it in this fasion(considering ive had 3 years out) or should I start at lower dose i.e 10/20/30/30 or 10/10/20/30. Sorry again for this being out of the threads context.
04-02-2010, 12:03 PM
I think you will be fine at 30/30/30/30. I would never run less than 30mg /day personally on an epistane cycle.
04-02-2010, 03:49 PM
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