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Can we economically afford another war at this point ?
 
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I should have added to my rephrasing of Delta's original post:

"Dad, there's a guy on the other side of the street and he is a legitimate threat to us. Let's take care of him!"

"Can't do it son, because our military forces are already stretched thin fighting two never ending wars in two other countries, the majority of which are in one that we probably shouldn't have gone into in the first place. Also, people here at home are pretty weary of the war, not to mention how the hundreds of thousands of soldiers must feel. Getting support for another military action even if it is justified is going to be hard, son."

"**** dad, if we didn't invade Saddam's house to stop his wife beating we would have been able to take care of this. Now we've jailed Saddam, his wife is dead anyway, we have still have to use a massive amount of our forces arbitrate the custody hearings for his kids, and people at home and in the neighborhood are so pissed off at us for doing that to begin with that it's going to be hard to get something done about this prick in Iran who is possibly a threat."

"Exactly, son."

"Gee dad, guess an ill advised war has so many bad practical consequences it should be avoided at almost any cost despite ideological muttering from interventionists. Thanks for the added lesson."
 
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CDB when you do move to Mexico, become a politician. You sound just like one.

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I should have added to my rephrasing of Delta's original post:

"Dad, there's a guy on the other side of the street and he is a legitimate threat to us. Let's take care of him!"

"Can't do it son, because our military forces are already stretched thin fighting two never ending wars in two other countries, the majority of which are in one that we probably shouldn't have gone into in the first place. Also, people here at home are pretty weary of the war, not to mention how the hundreds of thousands of soldiers must feel. Getting support for another military action even if it is justified is going to be hard, son."

"**** dad, if we didn't invade Saddam's house to stop his wife beating we would have been able to take care of this. Now we've jailed Saddam, his wife is dead anyway, we have still have to use a massive amount of our forces arbitrate the custody hearings for his kids, and people at home and in the neighborhood are so pissed off at us for doing that to begin with that it's going to be hard to get something done about this prick in Iran who is possibly a threat."

"Exactly, son."

"Gee dad, guess an ill advised war has so many bad practical consequences it should be avoided at almost any cost despite ideological muttering from interventionists. Thanks for the added lesson."
I wasn't really thinking of a war per se. I was thinking of placing 1 or 2 tridents in the persion gulf, asking Iran politley to stop the cr*p, and if they don't turn the place into a parking lot.
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Re: Iran “will soon join the club of countries with nuclear technology,”

I wasn't really thinking of a war per se. I was thinking of placing 1 or 2 tridents in the persion gulf, asking Iran politley to stop the cr*p, and if they don't turn the place into a parking lot.
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I have 6 years experience in our military and was fortunate to "visit" some lovely places in our world. I mention this to point out that i am not so idiot or antiamerican. I love my country, I've bled for it. That being said I'd like to state the following
!) President Boy George posturing and /or possibly planing to invade Iran is a giant ****ing mistake
2) We have enough problems already
3) We cannot afford the current "war" let alone another doubtless similarly well scouted and planned action
4)Stictly speaking we no right to tell Iran or any other soverign nation what to do. That being said, I am not happy with the fact that they have the capability.
5) I am surprised the Israelis are'nt more involved-not even going there
6)launching any kind of nuclear strike would result in serious problems and retaliation, from one or more sources. Don't think for a second that there are'nt other muslim countries that are capable and have a few issues with us
7) the solution to the problem is not to compound it
thank you for your time, I truly hope this issue is resolved without further bloodshed
 
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Yea, They were thrusting their fists in the air proclaiming "God is great" because they now have nulcear capabilities for electricity. I like sweet physiques idea about the parking lot. While they are at it, fire some of those towards N. Korea as well. Damn, I wish Patton was still alive. Our neighborhoods and streets are not the same as they were when we were kids. People who never thought of owning guns now protect their families with one because of the times. This awareness should be, and is being carried out around the world, as you kick back on your couch at night. Remember playing King of the Mountain? Well these f**king nuts are trying to knock the king off the mountain. Guess who is king? They want to kill us all. You too. They really do. Stop thinking that this will all go away if we just back off. Can we afford it? Who cares! Do you guys like traveling to different parts of the country? If we back down, you probably won't be allowed near either New York or Washington D.C. because of the nuclear fallout, not to mention L.A., Miami, Chicago and others. I say we take them out. The Pucker Factor in Washington right now is off the charts. Imagine relaxing with friends at a good BBQ and finding out that one of our major cities has been leveled. You better finish that beer fast, party is over.

I'm sure I'm overreacting, right?
 

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NK cannot move anywhere. It is like Jabba the Hutt. LOL

They can't even feed themselves properly. How the hell are you going to fight a war? :rolleyes:
 
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Probably get flamed... seems to have been alot lately but anyway...

Iran took the hostages after throwing out the Shah. Stood up to the Evil USA(THEY SAID IT NOT ME) and became the Big Dog in Muslimia(?) Got into a standoff with Iraq and got caught getting arms from US through Israel:blink:

Al-Q blows up the WTC then flys into it on 9/11. Wacks the USS Cole and the embassies in between. Iran is no longer the Big Dog!

Now they see a chance to get back to the top of the heap... US is to busy to properly lump them up soooo... stand up and shout!
 

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Probably get flamed... seems to have been alot lately but anyway...

Iran took the hostages after throwing out the Shah. Stood up to the Evil USA(THEY SAID IT NOT ME) and became the Big Dog in Muslimia(?) Got into a standoff with Iraq and got caught getting arms from US through Israel:blink:

Al-Q blows up the WTC then flys into it on 9/11. Wacks the USS Cole and the embassies in between. Iran is no longer the Big Dog!

Now they see a chance to get back to the top of the heap... US is to busy to properly lump them up soooo... stand up and shout!

Except that you left out the crucial fact that the Iranians are not Arabs. Until the rise of the Ottoman Turks, the Persians have been brutalizing Arabs whom they still considered inferior, for thousands of years. The Arabs hate the present day Iranians. And the Arabs are predominantly Sunnis, who consider the Sh1te Iranians heretics to be converted or wiped out. The Arab minorities in Iran today, hate the Iranian government and have been carrying out bombing activities against Iranian interests.

The ruling mullahs cum ayatollahs, hate America. But the Iranian people love America and American culture.

Nothing is that black and white in that part of the world. And people there have very long memory. They still fantasize about the Crusades, and even about how they gave Alexander's army a hard time.
 

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If they're starving, they can't be Jabba the Hut Like.

If you're starving what do you do? Kick in your neighbors door and steal his food.
1. You must have missed the pics of Kim and Thugs Inc. LOL They are not starving. The rest of the country is.

2. Except that your neighbors are stronger, better armed, and have tougher friends, than you do! Stalin and Mao are gone now. Their successors will not come to your aid. You got nothing. You have no friends. All you have is nuclear blackmail bluff.
 
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Except that you left out the crucial fact that the Iranians are not Arabs. Until the rise of the Ottoman Turks, the Persians have been brutalizing Arabs whom they still considered inferior, for thousands of years. The Arabs hate the present day Iranians. And the Arabs are predominantly Sunnis, who consider the Sh1te Iranians heretics to be converted or wiped out. The Arab minorities in Iran today, hate the Iranian government and have been carrying out bombing activities against Iranian interests.

The ruling mullahs cum ayatollahs, hate America. But the Iranian people love America and American culture.

Nothing is that black and white in that part of the world. And people there have very long memory. They still fantasize about the Crusades, and even about how they gave Alexander's army a hard time.
Are they Muslims? ...me against my brother, but me and my brother against the infidel."
 

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What's the probability of the North Koreans moving on the South if they see us occupied with Iraq, Afghanistan AND Iran?

I don't think they will, but it would seem to be the best time for them to make a move.
The South Koreans have tanks called "mini M1A2's" we already know what happens when old soviet junk tanks take on our tanks. The problem is North Korea has nukes and chemical weapons. We nullify that though with our own nukes, but South Korea has none.
 

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Except that you left out the crucial fact that the Iranians are not Arabs. Until the rise of the Ottoman Turks, the Persians have been brutalizing Arabs whom they still considered inferior, for thousands of years. The Arabs hate the present day Iranians. And the Arabs are predominantly Sunnis, who consider the Sh1te Iranians heretics to be converted or wiped out. The Arab minorities in Iran today, hate the Iranian government and have been carrying out bombing activities against Iranian interests.

The ruling mullahs cum ayatollahs, hate America. But the Iranian people love America and American culture.

Nothing is that black and white in that part of the world. And people there have very long memory. They still fantasize about the Crusades, and even about how they gave Alexander's army a hard time.
Yep the people love us and the government hates us, really wierd. The Arab governments are more pro-American and the people hate us. Heck the Arab governments don't even like us much.
 
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I love it how some of the board members seem to have obtained top secret intel on Iran and N. Korea (being the stable countries that they are) and their plans for the nuclear tech. they have created.

Zip, squat, nothin, nada, hype, hot air, propaganda. Oh, I'll add one, Poppyc**k. This is fun.

I bet you would like to taunt a Rottweiler inside of an invisible fence too?

Our taxes pay for the "present day" spy missions over these very countries which have blackmail bluff, hot air, and Jabba the hut.

How can these countries fight a war, if they can't take care of themselves? Easy. Unconventionally. Modern day Kamikazees. If you don't deliver this dirty bomb, we'll kill your family etc....
A couple of guys fought a war on 9/11 in order to praise Allah and get their virgins. You weren't talking about that "stand in a perfect line, march into battle type war" were you? The Redcoats tried that here in America and they got mowed down. It's dirty pool from here on out. Compact nuclear weapons are going to be a real threat in the future. (On our home turf)
 
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CDB when you do move to Mexico, become a politician. You sound just like one.

EDIT: And yes, that is a joke.
I couldn't be a politician. The **** in my past, I'd be a sitting duck.

But then again, you did say Mexico...
 
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I wasn't really thinking of a war per se. I was thinking of placing 1 or 2 tridents in the persion gulf, asking Iran politley to stop the cr*p, and if they don't turn the place into a parking lot.
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That would be my solution, but no politician, even W, would do something like that.
 

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This from a guy who couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag without the help of the Wal Mart smiley.
LOL If only you knew.... lol
So, when are you putting your money where your mouth is and actually move to Mexico? :D
 
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LOL If only you knew.... lol
So, when are you putting your money where your mouth is and actually move to Mexico? :D
When you post something worth a response and without a smiley. Should give me some time to plan and you can catch up on your Scooby Doo episodes and coloring books.
 

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Re: Iran “will soon join the club of countries with nuclear technology,”

Except that you left out the crucial fact that the Iranians are not Arabs. Until the rise of the Ottoman Turks, the Persians have been brutalizing Arabs whom they still considered inferior, for thousands of years. The Arabs hate the present day Iranians. And the Arabs are predominantly Sunnis, who consider the Sh1te Iranians heretics to be converted or wiped out. The Arab minorities in Iran today, hate the Iranian government and have been carrying out bombing activities against Iranian interests.

The ruling mullahs cum ayatollahs, hate America. But the Iranian people love America and American culture.

Nothing is that black and white in that part of the world. And people there have very long memory. They still fantasize about the Crusades, and even about how they gave Alexander's army a hard time.
Spot on..there are a lot of variables to consider, and there are many that still dwell on past history. Do you know how many Iranians I've met who told me they were "Persian"?
I agree the Iranians have little now, but they are brighter than the Libyans who have tried for 20 years and have a bunch of parts that don't fit if you catch my drift. North Korea is just posturing, really
You know, maybe we should be more concerned with WHERE they got the source materials and specialists. I think the truth would scare you. And enough with the "lets nuke them" mentality. It's a nice adolesent fantasy of power, but it will solve nothing. Have you even seen a person die violently or caused it? I am not taking you to task here, but this is'nt the schoolyard.I am in no way opposed to military force if needed.but I really dislike the "we're Number one and we'll kick the **** out of you if you don't like it" attitude Highly developed there. Somewhat like our genius president . Again I have nothing against military conflict...just do it the right way. I have little faith that the current administration can.
 
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I will venture a guess on the fate of the 3000 new centrifuges Iran is going to be coming out with.......snap, crackle, pop, finito. We are the worlds super power and I personally sleep better at night knowing we have the capability of destroying brick buildings with sound waves etc... I do not wish for war, but if they bring it? The principal individuals involved are called radicals for a reason. Their way of thinking is way out wacko. Knocking out the leaders and their military would be doing the Iranian people a favor. They are receiving warnings right now at this very moment. If someone told me they were knocking down my house unless I got rid of a mean dog I owned, I would get rid of the dog. It's a liability. I don't think they are going to get rid of their dog, but we will help them, don't you worry.
 
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Re: Iran “will soon join the club of countries with nuclear technology,”

I hope we're trying to cut their supply lines, like pressuring whomever is selling them ~2,836 centrifuges to get 3,000 to not do so.

Won't stop them if they are determined to proceed, but maybe it buys us valuable time.

Lordy, lordy, what times we live in. International relations have always been confrontational, now we're all spectators to troubling developments with news reports we can't personally verify.

I'm hesitant to commenting on international affairs, because unlike the domestic issues that I have direct participation and timetested credible inside sources for, I'm a sidelines spectator looking into a fog of limited perspectives and mixed agendas. I won't foolishly claim to be THE expert on domestic security affairs, but I'm far more confident of my interpretations here then of things afar.
Bingo chief. They never should have been allowed to get to that point. Does anyone one SERIOUSLY think no US companies were involved at all in the prolifrigration on nuclear technology? At the very least, monitor the pakistanis, armenians etc...riiiight. You know, Israel has been nuclear capable since 1973, yet no one is too concerned? I don't like extemist wacko governments any more than the next guy, have you looked at the Israeli govenment lately? Iguess it's ok for them to violate human rights etc because they're "threatned". Really? perhaps if:
1)we distributed our aid with a few more caveats (re; Clintons dealings with Israel and the peace talks) My inference is that is if you're getting a check from us, try towing the line
2)Military fact, Israel could kick the **** out any and probably all arab countries particulary with the absence of Iraq.
3) the US, Britain especailly and a few other western countries are in no small way historically responsable for some of the current trends in the middle east. Just a point
That being said, if they do decide to get froggy and threaten to launch a nuclear attack...maybe its time for me to serve a third tour. I never said I had a problem defending my country or
putting a round in someone....I just want to be damn sure I'm not being manipulated for some
other purpose. Down boy..this is getting heated, I think it's time to lift!!!
Do you know what democracy is ?
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When you post something worth a response and without a smiley. Should give me some time to plan and you can catch up on your Scooby Doo episodes and coloring books.
Soo... I guess we can safely presume that you would never find the balls and the backbone to put your money where your mouth is then... Kind of what I expected...

Is that why you pretend that posting nauseating long winded on forum is actually something that you call a real job? :D
 

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Spot on..there are a lot of variables to consider, and there are many that still dwell on past history. Do you know how many Iranians I've met who told me they were "Persian"?
I agree the Iranians have little now, but they are brighter than the Libyans who have tried for 20 years and have a bunch of parts that don't fit if you catch my drift. North Korea is just posturing, really
You know, maybe we should be more concerned with WHERE they got the source materials and specialists. I think the truth would scare you. And enough with the "lets nuke them" mentality. It's a nice adolesent fantasy of power, but it will solve nothing. Have you even seen a person die violently or caused it? I am not taking you to task here, but this is'nt the schoolyard.I am in no way opposed to military force if needed.but I really dislike the "we're Number one and we'll kick the **** out of you if you don't like it" attitude Highly developed there. Somewhat like our genius president . Again I have nothing against military conflict...just do it the right way. I have little faith that the current administration can.
Nobody in his right mind is advocating nuking any country, except for a couple of internet loonies 'talking sh1t on the internet.' :D

No responsible, mature adults would harbor any delusion that "we're Number one and we'll kick the **** out of you if you don't like it" . That is a myth or smear perpetuated by anti Republican and anti Bush haters. It is just dirty political smear. I don't know about you, but I remember right when 911 occurred, the whole nation was glad that it is Bush/Cheney team that is in charge of the nation and not that spineless slimmy Al Gore and co.

The notion that Bush/Cheney team is gunho cowboy is a smear image created by the anti Republican left wing operatives, both domestic and foreign.

The truth being, the Bush/Cheney team is the most experienced and most foresighted strategic thinkers with nothing but America's long term national interest in mind.

During the 2004, when Bush was doubted and his poll numbers was going down and the election looked close, Bush was contemplating whether to release classified intelligence to prove to the country what the real achievement in the war on terrorism has been, under his leadership. But doing that would jeopardize the ongoing war effort. Bush agonized over the decision of whether to sell out the country's security for his own political gain, or to hold true to integrity but suffer election defeat. He decided to stick with protecting America, and eventually went on to get re-elected, and thereby past a true test of character. :)

As far as Iran goes, we need to distinguish between the hated ruling mullahs and the ordinary Iranians who would be all to happy that America helps rid them off the crazy ayatollahs and mullahs. The ruling mullahs are eager to have us attack them. They know that would best serve their interest. They want to divert the Iranians' hatred towards them, away from them, and onto any foreign invasion.

While the Iranians hate the mullahs, they do agree that going nuclear is good for Iran. The mullahs know that the nuclear card is the only they can get those who hate them, to agree with them. So, that is why we are hearing an earful of the crazy mullahs making noise about their nuclear capability.

Basically, Iran is like a cancer patient. The trick is how to cut out the tumour, which is the virulently anti-American, anti-western ruling mullahs, without harming the patient, ie the ordinary Iranians who have nothing but goodwill toward America, its way of life and its culture.


P.S. Unlike some real life losers, I didn't get my view from regurgitating the rubbish I sucked up from books and periodicals such The Foreign Policy. LOL
 

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... Israel has been nuclear capable since 1973, yet no one is too concerned? ...
It is for the same reason that no one is concerned about the UK owning enough nukes to nuke the world 10X over. Because no one worries that either country is about to go over the deep end anytime soon. You can't say the same about some crazy mullahs, ayatollahs or whatever lunatics they have as presidents.
 
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P.S. Unlike some real life losers, I didn't get my view from regurgitating the rubbish I sucked up from books and periodicals such The Foreign Policy. LOL
I don't think anyone is concerned where you got your view from. It's where you are getting your "information" from that may have some people puzzled.
 

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I don't think anyone is concerned where you got your view from. It's where you are getting your "information" from that may have some people puzzled.
;) Why puzzled? Because it is so astounishly insightful? ;)

So I have access to unique intel and analysis. :) Just a hint. If you want to know what is really going on, do not rely on the media. Do not rely on bookworms. Go straight to 'the eyes on the ground'.

Learn foreign languages. Travel to live among them. Be one of them. Becareful who you approach for info. As rule, the higher up the source is, the less useful info he can offer you. They tend to distort and twist what they say in a calculated attempt to convey something. So you are not getting the truth from these people. When the information is published in the media, it is either old news and is totally distorted, tainted and biased. Worthless for the most part.

The best info is from the rank and file, ordinary nobody who are at the frontline everyday dealing with the real sh1t that is actually happening. They have the best insight of things and would be able to tell you untainted factual intelligence. Those are least biased info. But you have to be able to speak the language, know the culture and live among them as one of them.

Of course, you can't possibly learn every foreign language and blend in every culture. But you seek out your sources who can and build your network of informants. This takes a lot of time and a lot of effort. You have to have something valuable to offer or trade. Else you wouldn't get anywhere.

I speak several languages and lived abroad for many years. Interesting time it was.
 

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Re: Iran “will soon join the club of countries with nuclear technology,”

Nobody in his right mind is advocating nuking any country, except for a couple of internet loonies 'talking sh1t on the internet.' :D

No responsible, mature adults would harbor any delusion that "we're Number one and we'll kick the **** out of you if you don't like it" . That is a myth or smear perpetuated by anti Republican and anti Bush haters. It is just dirty political smear. I don't know about you, but I remember right when 911 occurred, the whole nation was glad that it is Bush/Cheney team that is in charge of the nation and not that spineless slimmy Al Gore and co.

The notion that Bush/Cheney team is gunho cowboy is a smear image created by the anti Republican left wing operatives, both domestic and foreign.

The truth being, the Bush/Cheney team is the most experienced and most foresighted strategic thinkers with nothing but America's long term national interest in mind.

During the 2004, when Bush was doubted and his poll numbers was going down and the election looked close, Bush was contemplating whether to release classified intelligence to prove to the country what the real achievement in the war on terrorism has been, under his leadership. But doing that would jeopardize the ongoing war effort. Bush agonized over the decision of whether to sell out the country's security for his own political gain, or to hold true to integrity but suffer election defeat. He decided to stick with protecting America, and eventually went on to get re-elected, and thereby past a true test of character. :)

As far as Iran goes, we need to distinguish between the hated ruling mullahs and the ordinary Iranians who would be all to happy that America helps rid them off the crazy ayatollahs and mullahs. The ruling mullahs are eager to have us attack them. They know that would best serve their interest. They want to divert the Iranians' hatred towards them, away from them, and onto any foreign invasion.

While the Iranians hate the mullahs, they do agree that going nuclear is good for Iran. The mullahs know that the nuclear card is the only they can get those who hate them, to agree with them. So, that is why we are hearing an earful of the crazy mullahs making noise about their nuclear capability.

Basically, Iran is like a cancer patient. The trick is how to cut out the tumour, which is the virulently anti-American, anti-western ruling mullahs, without harming the patient, ie the ordinary Iranians who have nothing but goodwill toward America, its way of life and its culture.


P.S. Unlike some real life losers, I didn't get my view from regurgitating the rubbish I sucked up from books and periodicals such The Foreign Policy. LOL
You do have some valid points, we simply seem to disagree politically. I did not form my opinions by reading periodicals if that is what you are inferring. Your specific point about Iranian leadership versus the views of it's people is well taken.....I guess you're also going to explain our President's laughable military service as another smear campaign? And yes people spouting off about "nuking" other countries ticks me off. I assume by your staunch defense of Bush/cheney that you would'nt mind serving in Iraq assuming you hav'nt already?
 
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So I have access to unique intel and analysis. Just a hint. If you want to know what is really going on, do not rely on the media. Do not rely on bookworms. Go straight to 'the eyes on the ground'.
People who have access to unique intel and analysis do not go boasting on the internet that they have such connections. Your intel is about as reliable as
a couple of internet loonies 'talking sh1t on the internet.'
I agree with some of your points but please don't start giving out your "code name" or base of operation in some back alley of a foreign fruit market. You are supposed to keep that stuff a secret. We don't want any leaks. So I am assuming Farsi, and Kurdish are among the languages you are fluent in? I am also assuming you blended in real well with the locals because you are of middle eastern dissent? Oh so you were a linguist for the government? That's cool.:rolleyes:
 
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People who have access to unique intel and analysis do not go boasting on the internet that they have such connections. Your intel is about as reliable as

I agree with some of your points but please don't start giving out your "code name" or base of operation in some back alley of a foreign fruit market. You are supposed to keep that stuff a secret. We don't want any leaks. So I am assuming Farsi, and Kurdish are among the languages you are fluent in? I am also assuming you blended in real well with the locals because you are of middle eastern dissent? Oh so you were a linguist for the government? That's cool.:rolleyes:
Now you know why I don't take his posts seriously, even when he manages to make a point. The whole tin foil hat thing. And all the bookworms can't be trusted, especially the ones who actually have some knowledge of history, economics, etc. BioHazard is the extreme of Santayana's warning. Instead of "those who cannot remember history" he represents "those who will not remember history." It makes their views inconvenient.
 
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Help me with the tin foil hat CDB, I'm not following. Edit: Ok, Now I understand, very true.
 
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Help me with the tin foil hat CDB, I'm not following.
His "network on informants." Not for nothing, I seriously doubt anyone with an actual network of informants worth listening to would be posting here.
 
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A very sane and rational assumption sir. I thought he was going to send out a Hummer full of Delta Force operatives on you in post #24.

Still waiting for some good Kurdish dialect to be displayed here. Come on what's their next move? Where are the Centrifuges coming from? This could really help GWB make plans right now. Got any cool spy photos of inside the plant?
 

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You do have some valid points, we simply seem to disagree politically.

1. I did not form my opinions by reading periodicals if that is what you are inferring.


Your specific point about Iranian leadership versus the views of it's people is well taken.....

2. I guess you're also going to explain our President's laughable military service as another smear campaign?

3. And yes people spouting off about "nuking" other countries ticks me off.

4. I assume by your staunch defense of Bush/cheney that you would'nt mind serving in Iraq assuming you hav'nt already?

1. No. I wasn't referring to you. Actually I have only read one post of yours. :) I wouldn't know where you get your info or views from.

2. He served in the National Guard. Are we going to laugh at all those who served and are serving in the NG then? But I am sure you don't mean that. Of course I would prefer that he flew combat missions over North Vietnam. But at least he didn't run and hide in another country. And he didn't use his family influence to get out of it all together. He could have easily gotten out of it all together. That sounds like making excuses for him. But as things are, if people didn't have a problem with Bill Clinton's draft dodging then, it would be rather hypocritical to whine about Bush's service in the National Guard.

3. Well, you know those people are just talking **** on the internet. lol It is easy to talk **** when there is no consequence to face. I wouldn't get mad at them if I were you. They are not worthy. lol

4. When I offered to enlist, they told me I was too old by then. There are things in life that if I have the chance, I would do things differently. But that is life. We have only one life to live. We make choices and we live with the consequences of our decisions. I don't regret the choices I made. :)
 

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People who have access to unique intel and analysis do not go boasting on the internet that they have such connections. Your intel is about as reliable as

I agree with some of your points but please don't start giving out your "code name" or base of operation in some back alley of a foreign fruit market. You are supposed to keep that stuff a secret. We don't want any leaks. So I am assuming Farsi, and Kurdish are among the languages you are fluent in? I am also assuming you blended in real well with the locals because you are of middle eastern dissent? Oh so you were a linguist for the government? That's cool.:rolleyes:
You obivously don't understand what I posted. But that is okay. I am not interested in furthering your education.
 

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His "network on informants." Not for nothing, I seriously doubt anyone with an actual network of informants worth listening to would be posting here.
Hmmm... seeing that you have posted over 1600 posts ... What does that say about you? :D :D :D :D It is so funny how you always end up referring to yourself when you try to bad mouth other people. lol

Your point is correct. That is why I seldom post here and am never interested or bothered to argue nor debate point by point with you guys. Now, finally, you know why. Thankyou for highlighting that. lol

BTW, when are you leaving America and moving to Mexico? LOL
 

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A very sane and rational assumption sir. I thought he was going to send out a Hummer full of Delta Force operatives on you in post #24.

Still waiting for some good Kurdish dialect to be displayed here. Come on what's their next move? Where are the Centrifuges coming from? This could really help GWB make plans right now. Got any cool spy photos of inside the plant?
It must eat guys like you alive that my posts are accurate, insightful and ahead of what you get from the newsmedia. Well, life is a *****. :D

I shall now return you to your regular programming. lol
 

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Re: Iran “will soon join the club of countries with nuclear technology,”

1. No. I wasn't referring to you. Actually I have only read one post of yours. :) I wouldn't know where you get your info or views from.

2. He served in the National Guard. Are we going to laugh at all those who served and are serving in the NG then? But I am sure you don't mean that. Of course I would prefer that he flew combat missions over North Vietnam. But at least he didn't run and hide in another country. And he didn't use his family influence to get out of it all together. He could have easily gotten out of it all together. That sounds like making excuses for him. But as things are, if people didn't have a problem with Bill Clinton's draft dodging then, it would be rather hypocritical to whine about Bush's service in the National Guard.

3. Well, you know those people are just talking **** on the internet. lol It is easy to talk **** when there is no consequence to face. I wouldn't get mad at them if I were you. They are not worthy. lol

4. When I offered to enlist, they told me I was too old by then. There are things in life that if I have the chance, I would do things differently. But that is life. We have only one life to live. We make choices and we live with the consequences of our decisions. I don't regret the choices I made. :)
Your point about clinton is taken. I was not calling you out in terms of military service, simply wanted to know your views. Sometimes I get a little pissy about that because I sacrificed a lot in those 6 years I served as have many other people before and currently. I never have regreted it, and am proud to say "Semper Fi". I just want people to understand the human cost. I feel there are other ways of intervention, that do not involve costly and ultimately long term action.
People may find assasination or financial backing of political groups distasteful, but what would you rather have if the situation calls for it? A few operatives who generally are far more motivated for this type of action..or several thousand dead on both sides? Some of the people I served with lived for this ****..the tip of the blade of you catch my drift.
Well I said what I have to say on this topic, so I will move on.
In closing I would like to say that everyone is entitled to their view, and I do not disrespect that. I am not trying to convert anyone here, or impress you with my genius. Now THAT would be a losing battle lol!
 
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Hmmm... seeing that you have posted over 1600 posts ... What does that say about you? :D :D :D :D It is so funny how you always end up referring to yourself when you try to bad mouth other people. lol
Kind of like when you bad mouth people for talking **** on the internet. As for me, I never claimed to have a network of informants. My job affords me a decent amount of spare time during the day these days, and since I have to stay at the computer I spend some of it here, some at other boards, some reading. It's an enjoyable way to spend the day, especially when you get paid for it.

Your point is correct. That is why I seldom post here and am never interested or bothered to argue nor debate point by point with you guys. Now, finally, you know why. Thankyou for highlighting that. lol
It's very interesting that the people who claim to be in the know and to be so much smarter than anyone else in every way so seldom have the opportunity to demonstrate their superiority. It is more interesting that when they do try they get slapped down harder and faster than a malarial midget with a mosquito on his head. It makes one wonder about such people, why they pop up and boast and then never justify the boast. A person who actually had reason to boast wouldn't even bother at all. Of course, it's ever the cry of liars and fakes how superior they are and how they could prove it but for lack of time, previous engagements, etc. Reminds me of this kid in high school who would never play racquetball. To hear him talk he was a pro, an A player that could wallpaper a kill shot and leave a level line on the wall, but somehow never made it to the courts to play though.

Though I am understanding of your lack of time. Those tin foil hats are delicate and take some time to make properly.
 

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yeah yeah yeah Same old same old... always the same from CDB. I will call you when I need to commit suicide by boring myself to death. :D

So... what kind of 'on the ground, factual info' have you brought us? :D What kind of insight you have harvested from real operators, about the topic, which is the Nuclear issue in Iran? Well? We are all ears!

C'mon. Tell us something we can't get from the news. Something that will subsequently be verified by the mass media. ;)


Btw, please, no Foreign Policy Journal crap. Can't stand regurgitated rubbish. And please, no theoretical rubbish. I can get plenty of that at the bars around here.
 

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Your point about clinton is taken. I was not calling you out in terms of military service, simply wanted to know your views. Sometimes I get a little pissy about that because I sacrificed a lot in those 6 years I served as have many other people before and currently. I never have regreted it, and am proud to say "Semper Fi". I just want people to understand the human cost. I feel there are other ways of intervention, that do not involve costly and ultimately long term action.
I am sure I speak for everyone that we are all in debted to you and those who put yourselves in harm's way, to defend freedom and the American way of life. I realize that grandios idealism means sh1t, when it is YOU who have to face death. But rest assured that the people of this country do have profound appreciation for those who serve and have served.

I have seen enough death and suffering, and have lived long enough to appreciate that life is precious and is not something to be just tossed away at the altar of some grandios ideals or macho slogans. Politicians send men and women off to wars. At the end, lives are lost, bodies torn apart, family wrecked. There is a very personal human cost to those who have to carry out the task. It is not just some statistics.

People may find assasination or financial backing of political groups distasteful, but what would you rather have if the situation calls for it? A few operatives who generally are far more motivated for this type of action..or several thousand dead on both sides? Some of the people I served with lived for this ****..the tip of the blade of you catch my drift.
I am with you on this. Moral high ground and political CYA is not worth the lives and limbs of our troops. The tip of the blade is trained for the job. Just give them the objectives, unleash them and back them up. ;) Its their calling.
Well I said what I have to say on this topic, so I will move on.
In closing I would like to say that everyone is entitled to their view, and I do not disrespect that. I am not trying to convert anyone here, or impress you with my genius. Now THAT would be a losing battle lol!
You are absolutely correct. This is an anonymous board. You toss out your 2 pesos and who gives a damn what people think? It isn't like their opinions are going to have any impact on the facts on the ground, or on your life. :)
 

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Are they Muslims? ...me against my brother, but me and my brother against the infidel."
It is not as clear cut as it seems. Muslims are killing muslims wholesale in many parts of the world. You have anti US Iranian mullahs giving support to Sunni Baathist terrorists and Sunni AlQaeda terrorists that are killing Sh1te Iraqis wholesale. And these Sh1te Iraqis are also supported by the Iranians. (Naturally, they are not thrilled with their Iranian sponsors) The Iranians actively as well as passively helped the US coalition in taking down the virulently anti-****e Talibans. Then some elements of the Iranian mullahs gave refuge to high ranking Al Qaeda fleeing Afghanistan. And Al Qaeda is virulently anti Sh1te. They are demostrating that with their car bombs everyday.

The Iranian is offering to hand over Zarqawi's (sp) head on a platter if the US would concede to Iranian's influence in dictating Iraq's politics. They believe that they can get Zarqawi with their brutal tactic.

The Sunni Arabs surrounding Iraq do not want to see the Sh1te Iraqis dominate Iraq. But they recently came to the conclusion that helping the Sunni Iraqi terrorists would unfortunately bring about not only just that, but also result in their minority Sh1te population radicalizing to take side in this Sunnis vs Sh1tes battle. So, recently, there was a hurrily summoned meeting among the intelligence chiefs from those countries, in Cairo. Basically, the strategy now is to contain Iranian's influence in Iraq by approaching the Sh1te Iraqis. There is a consensus that the Sunnis vs Sh1tes conflict must be contained and not allowed to spilled out of Iraq. That means the Sunni Baathist asses are being sold down the Euphrate and the Tigriss. :D

So, it is not as black and white as it seems.
 

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