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  1. You say they are set it up to fail maybe they are thinking that is way to going the way of Europe as noone would go for that right off.

    They are easing America gently in the hot bath with small doses on novocain-promises for a more bright future for everyone to voiding the pain.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    You say they are set it up to fail maybe they are thinking that is way to going the way of Europe as noone would go for that right off.

    They are easing America gently in the hot bath with small doses on novocain-promises for a more bright future for everyone to voiding the pain.
    again...my theory is that the politicians on both sides are doing the bidding of big business who wants out of healthcare benefits in the worse way....there are billions of dollars involved in american business's involvement in employee healthcare, one hell of a motivation to find a way out....obamacare is structured to give business just that way out, while at the same time being able to justify it by pointing the finger at obamacare.....to me this seems more than a coincidence, i truly believe business is responsible for obamacare.
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  3. Where is the cut off to being a big business that have participated in this. So all the business the big ones in America are in the Obama pocket for this health plan.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Where is the cut off to being a big business that have participated in this. So all the business the big ones in America are in the Obama pocket for this health plan.
    I believe that the cut off is 50 full time employees for forced participation. Which means many small business' who had close to that either fired or down graded some employees to part time. I have a couple of friends who had that happen. Also bigger business have till 2015 to be in full compliance vs your every day American who has until the start of next year. John Stewart did a great interview with a rep for Obama Care and grilled the sh!t out of her. I believe this is nothing more than another tax. Forced compliance seems a lot like socialism to me. If it was an optional government service to utilize like the US postal service that would be something completely different.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Where is the cut off to being a big business that have participated in this. So all the business the big ones in America are in the Obama pocket for this health plan.
    you have it backwards, lol.....according to my theory obama along with the republicans are in big business's pocket.

    once obamacare fails, which i believe it will....then obama can blame the republicans for it's failure and republicans can declare a victory by defeating it....all the while business gets out of healthcare benefits blame free.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you have it backwards, lol.....according to my theory obama along with the republicans are in big business's pocket.

    once obamacare fails, which i believe it will....then obama can blame the republicans for it's failure and republicans can declare a victory by defeating it....all the while business gets out of healthcare benefits blame free.
    ok I understand what you say now, but the tea partying people they do not stand for much of this so they some of them are in big business it seeming they would get wind of all these and blow the whistle
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    I believe that the cut off is 30 full time employees for forced participation. Which means many small business' who had close to that either fired or down graded some employees to part time. I have a couple of friends who had that happen. Also bigger business have till 2015 to be in full compliance vs your every day American who has until the start of next year. John Stewart did a great interview with a rep for Obama Care and grilled the sh!t out of her. I believe this is nothing more than another tax. Forced compliance seems a lot like socialism to me. If it was an optional government service to utilize like the US postal service that would be something completely different.
    IT IS SOCIALISM


    even the post office which has the best union is not immune, they are using temps instead of new hires so as not to pay benefits.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    ok I understand what you say now, but the tea partying people they do not stand for much of this so they some of them are in some big business it seeming they would get wind of all these and blow the whistle
    lol...most of the tea party members are business owners who stand to benefit from obamcare's failure, even if they were aware of what is going on they would probably support it!!!
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  9. I see it seem though that someone would not leak this to the media it is such a grand scale operation
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    lol...most of the tea party members are business owners who stand to benefit from obamcare's failure, even if they were aware of what is going on they would probably support it!!!
    EVERYONE (except those who will have their premiums subsidized/paid for by others) will benefit from the failure of Soetoro-care.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    I see it seem though that someone would not leak this to the media it is such a grand scale operation
    Maybe the America media is in the pocket here too?
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Maybe the America media is in the pocket here too?
    media IS big business...need i say more........
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    media IS big business...need i say more........
    Bill O'Reilly people like that maybe knowing all this going on but keeping their viewers in the dark it would seem unless maybe they have no privy to higher things going on but I think they must for they know mostly what is going on with the companies they working for
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Bill O'Reilly people like that maybe knowing all this going on but keeping their viewers in the dark it would seem unless maybe they have no privy to higher things going on but I think they must for they know mostly what is going on with the companies they working for
    bill o'reilly is just freaking out with his mainstream success, he is too busy pushing his books and coffee mugs to really care about much besides how fat his bank account is getting.
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  15. I will keep a close eye on this thread this is all very intriguing
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    That is hardly a red herring. It directly relates to the topic at hand. If anything the point of this thread is a red herring against the affordable healthcare act

    By the way, me and my wife are both keeping are employer provided healthcare. If what your saying is true shouldnt we be loosing our healthcare? I work for the largest company in the city which subsequently employs a vast majority of residents and my wife works for a fairly small company. Wouldnt at least one of us be loosing our healthcare?
    What many small business's are doing is dropping their group coverage, doing a group census of employees, determining eligibilty within the marketplace in your state and if the numbers are right, the employer kicks in a little, uncle sam gives the person a subsidy and you pay what you paid with the group policy....and in some cases nothing. It takes the burden off the employer, puts it on the individual, gives them flexibility, and everyone is happy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    I believe that the cut off is 30 full time employees for forced participation. Which means many small business' who had close to that either fired or down graded some employees to part time. I have a couple of friends who had that happen. Also bigger business have till 2015 to be in full compliance vs your every day American who has until the start of next year. John Stewart did a great interview with a rep for Obama Care and grilled the sh!t out of her. I believe this is nothing more than another tax. Forced compliance seems a lot like socialism to me. If it was an optional government service to utilize like the US postal service that would be something completely different.
    Its 50 employees.



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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    What many small business's are doing is dropping their group coverage, doing a group census of employees, determining eligibilty within the marketplace in your state and if the numbers are right, the employer kicks in a little, uncle sam gives the person a subsidy and you pay what you paid with the group policy....and in some cases nothing. It takes the burden off the employer, puts it on the individual, gives them flexibility, and everyone is happy.
    many carriers are dropping out...plus from state to state coverage and prices vary from reasonable to outrageous.

    what happens when the federal subsidy goes away....after all it is the taxpayer who is taking over the cost that was traditionaly borne by employers, show me the money!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    many carriers are dropping out...plus from state to state coverage and prices vary from reasonable to outrageous.

    what happens when the federal subsidy goes away....after all it is the taxpayer who is taking over the cost that was traditionaly borne by employers, show me the money!!!
    No its not. They can't charge you more than 9.5% of your gross income anyway. By law. They can't gouge you, they can't raise rates more than 10% in one calendar year. By law. If people would actually read it, they would know.



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  20. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i truly believe business is responsible for obamacare.
    As far as I know...the insurance companies actually wrote out most of Obamacare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    As far as I know...the insurance companies actually wrote out most of Obamacare.
    I would rather they do it, than Congress.



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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    I would rather they do it, than Congress.
    I agree on the congress part...but insurance companies have a big incentive to write the law as well. My opinion there should be no law.
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    I've seen it help people already so I'm biased.



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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    I've seen it help people already so I'm biased.
    I understand...its helping people and its also hurting people. I wish it helped everybody.
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    Its 50 employees.
    I know it was some where around there thank you.
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    No its not. They can't charge you more than 9.5% of your gross income anyway. By law. They can't gouge you, they can't raise rates more than 10% in one calendar year. By law. If people would actually read it, they would know.
    but what happens when the government realizes it can't afford to pay subsidies to offset the cost that employers were paying...where is this money going to come from?
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    I've seen it help more than hurt. I'm neck deep in it. Actually got people through Healthcare.gov...but you won't read or hear about that on the news. Its a boring story.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    but what happens when the government realizes it can't afford to pay subsidies to offset the cost that employers were paying...where is this money going to come from?
    If you look at the average subsidy cost per individual to those who qualify, it actually costs less than what the Bush tax cuts cost the government. The long term costs drop in roughly 5-7 years. The increase in revenue from the new customers that are forced into the system offsets the increase in benefits paid by the insurance companies. As with ALL insurance, its math.



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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    No its not. They can't charge you more than 9.5% of your gross income anyway. By law. They can't gouge you, they can't raise rates more than 10% in one calendar year. By law. If people would actually read it, they would know.
    Question since you seem to be in the know... If someone works for a large company that pays for its employees insurance. Is that person going to be forced to enroll in the new health care plan?
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    If you look at the average subsidy cost per individual to those who qualify, it actually costs less than what the Bush tax cuts cost the government. The long term costs drop in roughly 5-7 years. The increase in revenue from the new customers that are forced into the system offsets the increase in benefits paid by the insurance companies. As with ALL insurance, its math.
    but it seems the majority of currently uninsured will be doing much more taking than giving. and i know many now who get free healthcare from the government and they are the worse abusers of the system. people who haven't had healthcare in many years are going to have lots of needs/costs.

    the only possible way this has a chance to work is to regulate healthcare cost, imo.
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