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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    How can you?

    Your central premise is that obamacare will result in a massive drop in employer provided healthcare.. well

    " how can you be so sure your healthcare from your employer [WILL] be effected before it even begins?"
    According to this Forbes article, they site Bureau of Labor Statistics showing 6 full time jobs to 1 part time jobs in terms of hiring in 2012, and now in 2013 it totally reversed to 1 full time job to 4 part time jobs. Thats a very dramatic shift going in line with the timing of Obamacare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Hey bigt...havent been around. Dont you miss those days when you can go to the doc and if you had no money they would still treat you? Now the same people in the same position have even less money, since they by law buy insurance...and that crappy policy still have you paying a $100 deductible just for a visit.
    it's getting even worse, they are closing the plant i work at the end of month...after over 20years at same place i will be unemployed and uninsured!!!

    cobra will be between $600-$700 a week for my wife and i, and unemployment is $400, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    it's getting even worse, they are closing the plant i work at the end of month...after over 20years at same place i will be unemployed and uninsured!!! cobra will be between $600-$700 a week for my wife and i, and unemployment is $400, lol.
    man that is terrible. I am sorry to hear that. But....buck up...the economy is growing. At least that's what Obama said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    man that is terrible. I am sorry to hear that. But....buck up...the economy is growing. At least that's what Obama said.
    i have been planning for this for awhile now...i will be alright, better than many i work with who blow their pay checks and are in debt. the company tried to keep it secret, but word got out and they were forced to fess up....they are threatening to fire or suspend employees who are not keeping up production or promoting bad morale, needless to say it is not a happy place!!! being fired or suspended could effect unemployment and other benefits....
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    sorry for being off topic here but did anyone see the video of Obama helping the pregnant woman who was light headed? why the ..ck did the people cheer and clap after he finished helping her? it's beyond me!!! god i hate him with a passion!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    sorry for being off topic here but did anyone see the video of Obama helping the pregnant woman who was light headed? why the ..ck did the people cheer and clap after he finished helping her? it's beyond me!!! god i hate him with a passion!!
    obama is a love him or hate him kinda guy, doesn't seem to be much middle ground...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fame126 View Post
    sorry for being off topic here but did anyone see the video of Obama helping the pregnant woman who was light headed? why the ..ck did the people cheer and clap after he finished helping her? it's beyond me!!! god i hate him with a passion!!
    I am going to go out on a limb here - the reason they clapped is because he finally did something that was not at the expense of the middle class, or our individual personal freedom which has, to date, been afforded by the U.S. Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    obama is a love him or hate him kinda guy, doesn't seem to be much middle ground...
    Boy isn't that the case - those who drink the Barry Soetoro Kool-Aid are a vocal lot. They fight for tolerance, which to them means if you fail to fully embrace the position they take, then they are entitled to claim you are a racist, homophobe, tea party member, hater of the insert old/poor/women/illegal aliens/etc., or any other pejorative term du' jour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    it's getting even worse, they are closing the plant i work at the end of month...after over 20years at same place i will be unemployed and uninsured!!!

    cobra will be between $600-$700 a week for my wife and i, and unemployment is $400, lol.
    Sorry to hear that...

    Cant you just get insurance now? I thought nobody can be denied, and it should be way more affordable that cobra. Shouldnt cobra be phased out now that Obamacare is kicking in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Sorry to hear that...

    Cant you just get insurance now? I thought nobody can be denied, and it should be way more affordable that cobra. Shouldnt cobra be phased out now that Obamacare is kicking in?
    lol....try signing up for obamacare, plus if i am remembering correctly it doesn't go into effect until 2014 if even then....my take is that obamacare is just a farce and will never happen, just to many variables and obstacles...like i said at the beginning of this thread, it is my opinion that obamacare was designed to fail. just a way out of healthcare benefits for business!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    lol....try signing up for obamacare, plus if i am remembering correctly it doesn't go into effect until 2014 if even then....my take is that obamacare is just a farce and will never happen, just to many variables and obstacles...like i said at the beginning of this thread, it is my opinion that obamacare was designed to fail. just a way out of healthcare benefits for business!!!
    Im not going to sign up for BarrySoetorocare, lol...we are all a part of it by force, expect for those doctors who are turning away insurance customers back home and taking cash only...although those doctors will also be under Obamacare laws as customers.

    I dont think its exactly designed to fail...but more so a ponzi scheme by the the fascist goverment currently in charge.

    It's a tax on the poor. Its also a way to raise taxes on everyone without calling it a tax, although even the supreme court declared it a tax.

    Its also an expansion of fascist power over the people, with new Obamacare 16,000 IRS agents (and will grow) its more authority, control over choices and tracking/data-basing over all of us. Id like to add more but wanna keep this post short.

    So I agree with you that it will fail for us....but its a total success for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Its also an expansion of fascist power over the people, with new Obamacare 16,000 IRS agents (and will grow) its more authority, control over choices and tracking/data-basing over all of us.
    The eventuality goal to have so many for government payroll through various ingenious snooks and crannies that the Obama party always have the shoo-in
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    Lol.....Obama now asking Americans to be a part of the club...."Team Obamacare" calling on all Americans to brainwash your family and neighbors to be on board with the agenda.



    If you sign up for the "club" you get a free bumper sticker, lol what a freak
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    =Touey;4209849]The eventuality goal to have so many for government payroll through various ingenious snooks and crannies that the Obama party always have the shoo-in[/QUOTE]

    then if that is the goal, why didn't they just expand medicare to include everyone and eliminate the middleman-the insurance carriers? this would have made much more sense, been more practical and much less expensive....everyone could be under the same umbrella.
    after all everyone pays into medicare already!!!
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    They should name it "Team Kiss Your Financial Wellbeing Goodbye".
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    I am having trouble understanding what you say sorry, are you say then in your scenario this would make for many more people on the government payroll?
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    I think after going over I see what you say but I do not think Obama and that lot were thinking they could push that far though they I think will have very much liked
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    I am having trouble understanding what you say sorry, are you say then in your scenario this would make for many more people on the government payroll?
    the way obamacare is set up you get insurance thru a carrier like prudential....all of the carriers are not available in all states, and different rates are being charged from one state to another. this makes the potential for gouging/ corruption by the carriers alot more feasible.

    if they were serious about socializing medicine they should have used the system already in place; medicare. expanding medicare to include everyone based on income makes much more sense to me, afterall we already pay into medicare based on income so all the information is already in place.

    doing it the way they are doing it makes little sense to me...this is one of the reasons why i think obamacare was set up to fail.
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    I see, so it would also be much easier on American to not be bound to a state
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    I see, so it would also be much easier on American to not be bound to a state
    it would at least be fairer if everyone paid the same rate...the way it is now set up rates will vary from state to state. besides medicare is already deducted from paychecks by the irs at the federal level, so they already have that program in place....
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    You say they are set it up to fail maybe they are thinking that is way to going the way of Europe as noone would go for that right off.

    They are easing America gently in the hot bath with small doses on novocain-promises for a more bright future for everyone to voiding the pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    You say they are set it up to fail maybe they are thinking that is way to going the way of Europe as noone would go for that right off.

    They are easing America gently in the hot bath with small doses on novocain-promises for a more bright future for everyone to voiding the pain.
    again...my theory is that the politicians on both sides are doing the bidding of big business who wants out of healthcare benefits in the worse way....there are billions of dollars involved in american business's involvement in employee healthcare, one hell of a motivation to find a way out....obamacare is structured to give business just that way out, while at the same time being able to justify it by pointing the finger at obamacare.....to me this seems more than a coincidence, i truly believe business is responsible for obamacare.
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    Where is the cut off to being a big business that have participated in this. So all the business the big ones in America are in the Obama pocket for this health plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Where is the cut off to being a big business that have participated in this. So all the business the big ones in America are in the Obama pocket for this health plan.
    I believe that the cut off is 50 full time employees for forced participation. Which means many small business' who had close to that either fired or down graded some employees to part time. I have a couple of friends who had that happen. Also bigger business have till 2015 to be in full compliance vs your every day American who has until the start of next year. John Stewart did a great interview with a rep for Obama Care and grilled the sh!t out of her. I believe this is nothing more than another tax. Forced compliance seems a lot like socialism to me. If it was an optional government service to utilize like the US postal service that would be something completely different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Where is the cut off to being a big business that have participated in this. So all the business the big ones in America are in the Obama pocket for this health plan.
    you have it backwards, lol.....according to my theory obama along with the republicans are in big business's pocket.

    once obamacare fails, which i believe it will....then obama can blame the republicans for it's failure and republicans can declare a victory by defeating it....all the while business gets out of healthcare benefits blame free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    you have it backwards, lol.....according to my theory obama along with the republicans are in big business's pocket.

    once obamacare fails, which i believe it will....then obama can blame the republicans for it's failure and republicans can declare a victory by defeating it....all the while business gets out of healthcare benefits blame free.
    ok I understand what you say now, but the tea partying people they do not stand for much of this so they some of them are in big business it seeming they would get wind of all these and blow the whistle
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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    I believe that the cut off is 30 full time employees for forced participation. Which means many small business' who had close to that either fired or down graded some employees to part time. I have a couple of friends who had that happen. Also bigger business have till 2015 to be in full compliance vs your every day American who has until the start of next year. John Stewart did a great interview with a rep for Obama Care and grilled the sh!t out of her. I believe this is nothing more than another tax. Forced compliance seems a lot like socialism to me. If it was an optional government service to utilize like the US postal service that would be something completely different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    ok I understand what you say now, but the tea partying people they do not stand for much of this so they some of them are in some big business it seeming they would get wind of all these and blow the whistle
    lol...most of the tea party members are business owners who stand to benefit from obamcare's failure, even if they were aware of what is going on they would probably support it!!!
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    I see it seem though that someone would not leak this to the media it is such a grand scale operation
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    lol...most of the tea party members are business owners who stand to benefit from obamcare's failure, even if they were aware of what is going on they would probably support it!!!
    EVERYONE (except those who will have their premiums subsidized/paid for by others) will benefit from the failure of Soetoro-care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    I see it seem though that someone would not leak this to the media it is such a grand scale operation
    Maybe the America media is in the pocket here too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Maybe the America media is in the pocket here too?
    media IS big business...need i say more........
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    media IS big business...need i say more........
    Bill O'Reilly people like that maybe knowing all this going on but keeping their viewers in the dark it would seem unless maybe they have no privy to higher things going on but I think they must for they know mostly what is going on with the companies they working for
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    Quote Originally Posted by Touey View Post
    Bill O'Reilly people like that maybe knowing all this going on but keeping their viewers in the dark it would seem unless maybe they have no privy to higher things going on but I think they must for they know mostly what is going on with the companies they working for
    bill o'reilly is just freaking out with his mainstream success, he is too busy pushing his books and coffee mugs to really care about much besides how fat his bank account is getting.
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    I will keep a close eye on this thread this is all very intriguing
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    That is hardly a red herring. It directly relates to the topic at hand. If anything the point of this thread is a red herring against the affordable healthcare act

    By the way, me and my wife are both keeping are employer provided healthcare. If what your saying is true shouldnt we be loosing our healthcare? I work for the largest company in the city which subsequently employs a vast majority of residents and my wife works for a fairly small company. Wouldnt at least one of us be loosing our healthcare?
    What many small business's are doing is dropping their group coverage, doing a group census of employees, determining eligibilty within the marketplace in your state and if the numbers are right, the employer kicks in a little, uncle sam gives the person a subsidy and you pay what you paid with the group policy....and in some cases nothing. It takes the burden off the employer, puts it on the individual, gives them flexibility, and everyone is happy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrew530 View Post
    I believe that the cut off is 30 full time employees for forced participation. Which means many small business' who had close to that either fired or down graded some employees to part time. I have a couple of friends who had that happen. Also bigger business have till 2015 to be in full compliance vs your every day American who has until the start of next year. John Stewart did a great interview with a rep for Obama Care and grilled the sh!t out of her. I believe this is nothing more than another tax. Forced compliance seems a lot like socialism to me. If it was an optional government service to utilize like the US postal service that would be something completely different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Admin View Post
    What many small business's are doing is dropping their group coverage, doing a group census of employees, determining eligibilty within the marketplace in your state and if the numbers are right, the employer kicks in a little, uncle sam gives the person a subsidy and you pay what you paid with the group policy....and in some cases nothing. It takes the burden off the employer, puts it on the individual, gives them flexibility, and everyone is happy.
    many carriers are dropping out...plus from state to state coverage and prices vary from reasonable to outrageous.

    what happens when the federal subsidy goes away....after all it is the taxpayer who is taking over the cost that was traditionaly borne by employers, show me the money!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    many carriers are dropping out...plus from state to state coverage and prices vary from reasonable to outrageous.

    what happens when the federal subsidy goes away....after all it is the taxpayer who is taking over the cost that was traditionaly borne by employers, show me the money!!!
    No its not. They can't charge you more than 9.5% of your gross income anyway. By law. They can't gouge you, they can't raise rates more than 10% in one calendar year. By law. If people would actually read it, they would know.



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    i truly believe business is responsible for obamacare.
    As far as I know...the insurance companies actually wrote out most of Obamacare.
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