Election of 2012....Who ya got?

[AE14]

Ok guys, figured I would get us started early. With the Iowa Straw poll just yesterday, it seems that election/campaign season is strongly underway. With that said, who do you think will opposed Obama in 2012, and who do you think with be out C.I.C? Also, who would you want if you had your choice?

If I had to place a wager now, I think Rick Perry will get the GOP nod, and probably lose to Obama in 2012.

Out of those 2 choice, we are going in the wrong direction IMO regardless.

If I had my druthers, I like Huntsman's more common sense approach, but he will not get any serious attention.

So lets here it folks

[RawStrength]

::Grabs Popcorn::

[Bolanrox]

The GOP debates will be funny / disturbing enough that's for sure. Still though like you said who ever wins in the end we lose.

[seccsi]

Obama is very vulnerable, but Republicans can't win with who they will probably nominate. If they nominate Perry they lose (religious nuts don't play well in generals), if they nominate Bachmann they lose (see Perry quote, plus she's nuts), if they nominate Romney they lose (far right hates him).

A moderate would have a real good shot I'd think, but I don't see it happening. Obama wins (imo) because the other side runs someone polarizing enough to scare the middle and the Dems into action.

As for who I hope wins, Ron Paul of course. But that has no chance of happening.

[Rodja]

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[omni]

Politics is a game about winning. Who stands a chance against Obama? I like a lot of the candidates answers and solutions but, even if I like the person, I want Obama out and I only see one person who can beat him. Why spend so much time and money on who will just lose? I believe Herman Cain is the only one who can beat Obama. I like Cain and his idea's. He's a business man and more in touch with most Americans, IMHO.
94% of Black voters voted for Obama. If it were 85% I wouldn't believe they voted according to race but they did. Obama's parents weren't Americans. His mom wasn't from America. His Dad was from Kenya. His value's aren't American.

Herman Cain is Born and raised in America with the same cultural heritage as most of the Black AND White population. Obama is the opposite. Maybe Cain can teach people that the Republican party is not the "white" party, but the party for equality.

Color aside, I like what he stands for and he isn't a career politician.

[OrganicShadow]

Obama is vulnerable, yes. I think he has more disappointment then approval. Hell, the rest of the world sees him as a push over and we don't think he can get anything done. But he is a strong standout representative for the democratic opinion. But he gets nothing from me... how dare you take down the American flag from the oval office to be replaced with a middle eastern nation's. You, sir, are not the leader of my country.

With that being said, the republic party has NO face. There's too many potential people and not enogh backing to a single name. If I HAD to pick, Romney. Of course, we'd all love to see Ron Paul make waves but it just won't happen. The GOP is too scatterbrained to form a tangible front to take on the President.
For me, it's not the "better candidate" rather than "the lesser of two evils." What we need is a moderate, someone to stop all this ripping at the seames. The problem is were so far gone into radical/progressive politics somone halfway will never get the chance.

*Sigh* it's gonna be an interesting year. RawStrength, pass that popcorn.

[EasyEJL]

Obama is very vulnerable, but Republicans can't win with who they will probably nominate. If they nominate Perry they lose (religious nuts don't play well in generals), if they nominate Bachmann they lose (see Perry quote, plus she's nuts), if they nominate Romney they lose (far right hates him).

A moderate would have a real good shot I'd think, but I don't see it happening. Obama wins (imo) because the other side runs someone polarizing enough to scare the middle and the Dems into action.

As for who I hope wins, Ron Paul of course. But that has no chance of happening.

Overall this is more or less my stance, although Romney i'd say has more of a chance than Bachman or Perry. Ron Paul or Herman Cain would be my first choices, and at least Ron did well in the straw poll, so theres some hope.

but Rodja has it right on the nose (hopefully i'm not the only one who knows that reference offhand )

[carpee]

Herman Cain. . .

but nothing is going to change, except the 'change' Obama was talking about - which is tearing apart this country.

outside of the economy, debt, freedoms in danger, etc. that is wrong with this country, I would only vote for a leader who will stand for Israel.

[Admin]

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[AE14]

Overall this is more or less my stance, although Romney i'd say has more of a chance than Bachman or Perry. Ron Paul or Herman Cain would be my first choices, and at least Ron did well in the straw poll, so theres some hope.

but Rodja has it right on the nose (hopefully i'm not the only one who knows that reference offhand )

Perry and Bachman are a tad scary, when they start preaching. Or in Perry's case, leading a prayer service.

Romney has the look and sound of a president, I just dont know if the right is galvanized behind him.

Cain has already had a few off the wall things to say, and as much as there are certain things about Paul I like, he is a little too cooky for me.

[AE14]

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You cant be serious. Watch out to all public employees nationwide. Stay Puft is on the way

[Admin]

You cant be serious. Watch out to all public employees nationwide. Stay Puft is on the way

Absolutely serious....and nobody in their right mind would think any union of any kind would vote Republican anyway.

[EasyEJL]

You cant be serious. Watch out to all public employees nationwide. Stay Puft is on the way

Not knocking you personally but think of the quality of service you've received from public employees vs similar people in private industry. Do you think for that they deserve higher pay, more days off, basically free health care, and non contributory pensions after 20 years? I sure don't.

[Admin]

Not knocking you personally but think of the quality of service you've received from public employees vs similar people in private industry. Do you think for that they deserve higher pay, more days off, basically free health care, and non contributory pensions after 20 years? I sure don't.

Neither does most of the country...


Wisconsin just proved that....in a traditionally progressive state, their recall grabbed only 2 seats after the **** storm that governor got over the exact same issues.

[AE14]

Not knocking you personally but think of the quality of service you've received from public employees vs similar people in private industry. Do you think for that they deserve higher pay, more days off, basically free health care, and non contributory pensions after 20 years? I sure don't.

I dont disagree....too a point. However, he has made them the villain when that is most certainly not the case. You and I both know the issues in NJ are far deeper than public sector. Christie just refuses to make any waves with the people that helped him get elected. He is also another one (like all politicians btw) that lie through their teeth on the campaign trail. Look for what he said about educators on the campaign trail. Too funny (and hypocritical)

As an aside, with my new job, I have seen first hand what his new legislation is doing to "free" benefits. Yikes

[Admin]

I dont disagree....too a point. However, he has made them the villain when that is most certainly not the case. You and I both know the issues in NJ are far deeper than public sector. Christie just refuses to make any waves with the people that helped him get elected. He is also another one (like all politicians btw) that lie through their teeth on the campaign trail. Look for what he said about educators on the campaign trail. Too funny (and hypocritical)

As an aside, with my new job, I have seen first hand what his new legislation is doing to "free" benefits. Yikes

No, he made the unions the villiain.....the unions then tried to cast that as Christie making the teachers the villain.

[EasyEJL]

I dont disagree....too a point. However, he has made them the villain when that is most certainly not the case. You and I both know the issues in NJ are far deeper than public sector. Christie just refuses to make any waves with the people that helped him get elected. He is also another one (like all politicians btw) that lie through their teeth on the campaign trail. Look for what he said about educators on the campaign trail. Too funny (and hypocritical)

As an aside, with my new job, I have seen first hand what his new legislation is doing to "free" benefits. Yikes

I dunno, as with the teachers union I feel they are the villians to an extent. Maybe not the largest but still it needs to be dealt with permanently. I'm sill supportive of the right for workers to bargain collectively, but at this point unions are just a big special interest political group. Particularly in the public sector, I don't feel they should be able to hold the state over a barrel on excessive benefits and no firing policies. Again, my favorite example being the Hawaii public school system.

[AE14]

No, he made the unions the villiain.....the unions then tried to cast that as Christie making the teachers the villain.

thats just not true. Christie specifically targeted educators and used them in his speeches. Do you remember the "drug mule" commentary?

At the end of the day, he is a fairly popular rock star outside of NJ right now, but on a national scene, his bully routine will make him a flop

[Admin]

thats just not true. Christie specifically targeted educators and used them in his speeches. Do you remember the "drug mule" commentary?

At the end of the day, he is a fairly popular rock star outside of NJ right now, but on a national scene, his bully routine will make him a flop

I disagree. He tried to differentiate the two plenty of times.

And I think his platform would be very successful....Wisconsin showed that, even though Democrats and the media tried to portray the entire state against Walker....in the end, he won....and that union fight was MUCH more public than anything NJ had.