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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Not really sure what you are getting at here
    You always bring up failure over and over again. I know Ron Paul's ideas are a challenge this day in age in Washington, but the movement isnt about Ron Paul its about the idea's and planting seeds which is happening and Im personally amazed how well Ron Paul has in fact been doing win or lose. Because of this, we are winning but your considering everything a failure.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    A supporter of Ron Paul is just the "cool" or "hip" thing to be right now. Paul in this race is nothing more than an annoyance.

    -You can send the hate e-mail's to the address in my signature.
    Ron Paul's movement to audit the Federal Reserve won the support to partially audit the private banking cartel with authority granted by Ron Paul's bill HR 1207. Its publishing (this past July) was astounding.

    The partial audit revealed 16,000,000,000,000 (yes trillion) in secret bailouts to US banks, corporations and foreign banks that took place in a 2.5 year period. The GDP at time of publishing for the United States was only $14.12 trillion.

    If you find that to be "hip and annoying" I certainly wish to continue to be. Everyone else can support the Fed and their top secret ponzi schemes, and also can focus on borrowing more money from the Chinese to go to war with Iran (which I bet the Chinese will let Iran borrow money too).
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  3. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    If you find that to be "hip and annoying" I certainly wish to continue to be. Everyone else can support the Fed and their top secret ponzi schemes, and also can focus on borrowing more money from the Chinese to go to war with Iran (which I bet the Chinese will let Iran borrow money too).
    but without ponzi schemes, we wouldn't have social security.

    And don't leave out borrowing money from china to send foreign aid to china. Granted we only send them a few million, which doesn't cover the interest for 1 day of what we borrowed from them this year, but still.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Lemee see, in the last 40 years of presidents + congress, what have they accomplished? They've put us in wars we didn't need to be in, driven up our debt, driven our manufacturing industry away, supported special interest groups over general group (including unions), been manipulated by the revolving door policy into high end private sector jobs after leaving government. Oh yeah, and entirely ignored the constitution. 4 years of nothing would be fantastic compared to another 4 years of rising deficits.

    You realize at current projections, by 2021 the national debt will be high enough that more than 1/3 of what the government took in last year in revenue will be going towards interest alone?
    A lot of what you said is true and a good portion is entirely opinion. During the Cold War, many supported the idea of physically containing and beating communism. So, Vietnam and Korea are logical at least from the perspective of the time that they took place.

    Driving our manufacturing jobs away is a bit misleading. If you were a CEO of a corp, and could make more $(significantly) by sending jobs elsewhere, you are not going to do it? I will call BS there, as this is what Capitalism is all about.

    Maybe it is time to look at Socialism.

    Yes, Paul considers himself a strict Constitutionalist, I am just curious how many have actually looked at his record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    A lot of what you said is true and a good portion is entirely opinion. During the Cold War, many supported the idea of physically containing and beating communism. So, Vietnam and Korea are logical at least from the perspective of the time that they took place.

    Driving our manufacturing jobs away is a bit misleading. If you were a CEO of a corp, and could make more $(significantly) by sending jobs elsewhere, you are not going to do it? I will call BS there, as this is what Capitalism is all about.

    Maybe it is time to look at Socialism.

    Yes, Paul considers himself a strict Constitutionalist, I am just curious how many have actually looked at his record.
    Part of driving away manufacturing is a union issue though. without unions we are able to be competitive in a lot of areas. With unions, we aren't.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Ron Paul's movement to audit the Federal Reserve won the support to partially audit the private banking cartel with authority granted by Ron Paul's bill HR 1207. Its publishing (this past July) was astounding.

    The partial audit revealed 16,000,000,000,000 (yes trillion) in secret bailouts to US banks, corporations and foreign banks that took place in a 2.5 year period. The GDP at time of publishing for the United States was only $14.12 trillion.

    If you find that to be "hip and annoying" I certainly wish to continue to be. Everyone else can support the Fed and their top secret ponzi schemes, and also can focus on borrowing more money from the Chinese to go to war with Iran (which I bet the Chinese will let Iran borrow money too).
    This is one of the instances where I agree with him. THere is no reason not to audit the fed. No "government" agency is above audit imo

  7. If one is in a election and doesn't care about actually getting elected...to me that is an annoyance.
    This is just my opinion...I realize it isn't popular at the moment.
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  8. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    If one is in a election and doesn't care about actually getting elected...to me that is an annoyance.
    This is just my opinion...I realize it isn't popular at the moment.
    He wants to get elected, just that even if not elected getting people to actually use their brains for a bit and see that overall the republican party + democratic party are almost identical in their refusal to follow the constitution, continuing to grow the size of government, continuing to invade our personal liberty, etc is well worth his efforts.
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    He wants to get elected, just that even if not elected getting people to actually use their brains for a bit and see that overall the republican party + democratic party are almost identical in their refusal to follow the constitution, continuing to grow the size of government, continuing to invade our personal liberty, etc is well worth his efforts.
    I understand where you are coming from.
    But I really don't think the Republican Party & Democratic Party are close to the same.

    Good luck to Ron Paul. I really think he is a nice guy and adds to interesting debate. I don't disagree with Paul on a lot. But the things I disagree with him on are a pretty big deal to me.
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    I think for me is - we've tried it with "interpreting" the constitution by all 3 branches for a while, and we just get deeper in **** as we go. I'd like to see us instead follow it for 8 years and see where we end up. Keep it simple stupid, and keep the power out of the hands of a small group who usually are idiots.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    I understand where you are coming from.
    But I really don't think the Republican Party & Democratic Party are close to the same.
    Its a duopoly. The way you conquer competition is to infiltrate and/or buy out your own competition and give people an illusion of choice. Become your own competition.

    We can have China and split it into 2 parties today, China Red and China Blue and let people vote and end up with the same exact people in office.

    When it comes to big issues both parties are in line with each other such as wars and supporting the corporate order....and most of the polititions are funded by the same people.

    Obama and Romney both have the same bankster campaign contributors for example, them two are a carbon copy of each other.

    Campaign contributors for both Obama and Romney
    Goldman Sachs
    Credit Suisse Group
    Morgan Stanley
    Bank of America
    JP Morgan Chase
    UBS
    Citigroup
    Wells Fargo
    Barclays
    Bain Capital
    and more....................
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  12. Paul only really has to beat Romney. Neither Newt or Santuram are on the ballot in every state.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    Paul only really has to beat Romney. Neither Newt or Santuram are on the ballot in every state.
    There is something else up for grabs as well...if Paul gets enough delegates he will secure a major time slot to speak at the Republican convention.
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  14. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    There is something else up for grabs as well...if Paul gets enough delegates he will secure a major time slot to speak at the Republican convention.
    that he's guaranteed to get as he's smart enough to be putting some advertising effort into some of the later small states after supertuesday that nobody else gives a crap about.

    He still has a chance, although small. His best shot would be for Newt to win florida I think. It takes romney down a few notches then, and as was obvious in last night's debate its not that hard to get under newt's skin. he looked apoplexic at one moment and actually lost the ability to speak.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    that he's guaranteed to get as he's smart enough to be putting some advertising effort into some of the later small states after supertuesday that nobody else gives a crap about.

    He still has a chance, although small. His best shot would be for Newt to win florida I think. It takes romney down a few notches then, and as was obvious in last night's debate its not that hard to get under newt's skin. he looked apoplexic at one moment and actually lost the ability to speak.
    Newt is a disaster, and on a national scale, is entirely unelectable. He seems always on the verge of a self destruction. Which is funny to watch.

    Should Newt somehow get the nomination, he will never win, and will get blown out badly. I dont think any of the Republicans will win a general, but Newt will be embarrassed.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Newt is a disaster, and on a national scale, is entirely unelectable. He seems always on the verge of a self destruction. Which is funny to watch.

    Should Newt somehow get the nomination, he will never win, and will get blown out badly. I dont think any of the Republicans will win a general, but Newt will be embarrassed.
    Agreed.Newt is a joke.Honestly,if the Republicans keep pushing their far rightwing agenda,I do not see a Republican retaking the Presidency for a long time.The majority of Americans are either moderate or liberals and unless they are being hypocritical,cannot identify with these so called "social conservatives".

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Conagher View Post
    Agreed.Newt is a joke.Honestly,if the Republicans keep pushing their far rightwing agenda,I do not see a Republican retaking the Presidency for a long time.The majority of Americans are either moderate or liberals and unless they are being hypocritical,cannot identify with these so called "social conservatives".
    exactly, the social conservative agenda does not resonate with people right now. If they were to focus on more of the moderates while still slamming the uber-liberals they would have a far better opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Newt is a disaster, and on a national scale, is entirely unelectable. He seems always on the verge of a self destruction. Which is funny to watch.

    Should Newt somehow get the nomination, he will never win, and will get blown out badly. I dont think any of the Republicans will win a general, but Newt will be embarrassed.
    Oh yeah, I don't want newt to win nationally, but since his campaign already blew being on the ballot in a numbe of states, it would be difficult for him to win anyhow. Plus we're back to the dollars in campaign funds issue too, newt just doesn't have the dollars yet, or organization yet to be truly nationally competitive. If you look, here's what we got over the next 6 weeks, and newt doesn't have time to get it all running in all states.

    January 3
    January 10
    January 21
    January 31
    February 4
    February 4–11
    February 7
    February 28
    March 3
    March 6 (Super Tuesday)
    but newt winning florida would make romney appear weaker, and give the existing establish Paul organizations a much bigger shot at more of those later states.

    I had been going to vote for romney rather than paul in the primary just because florida says they are a winner take all state (and i'd rather have help newt not win it, regardless of my rationale above). But the RNC says they never approved florida being winner take all, so it likely will go proportionate so i'm back to voting for Paul.
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  19. Paul does seem like our only legitimate candidate for any real change to the status quo.Any one else is just more of the same.Sad times for America.
  20. Never enough
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    it is funny how much importance is placed on those first 3 primaries/caucuses. Together less than 50 delegates, need what is it 1144 for the nomination?
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    it is funny how much importance is placed on those first 3 primaries/caucuses. Together less than 50 delegates, need what is it 1144 for the nomination?
    Its just the corporate/banking/republicrat run media, they like to get things over with asap especially in situations when they are trying to blackout Ron Paul from gaining real momentum.
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  22. Just saw the clown shoes on MSNBC having a discussion on how Newt went along in his speach and how he acted as if Santorum didnt even exist, lol. Of course lets double down and not even mention how Newt went along in his speach and how he acted as if Ron Paul didnt even exist, lol.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Just saw the clown shoes on MSNBC having a discussion on how Newt went along in his speach and how he acted as if Santorum didnt even exist, lol. Of course lets double down and not even mention how Newt went along in his speach and how he acted as if Ron Paul didnt even exist, lol.
    After another poor showing, to most Paul doesnt exist. He is the only one in the race that has not won anything yet.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    After another poor showing, to most Paul doesnt exist. He is the only one in the race that has not won anything yet.
    It wasnt a poor showing, it was a no show. With limited financing and resources unfortunatly they decided not to even waste any money in florida especially when you cant get any delegates unless your first.

    The reason Paul doesnt exist is because the corporations dont want him to exist.

    I know Im being repetitive, but really TV can market Paul to win. Its really up to the "tube" on who wins the elections, with the combination of the corporate powers financing the election and marketing them to win. Thats the reason Obama won with his remarkable slick 5th grade audience acting skills. The entire elections is primarily a fraud.

    Romney is a corporate carbon copy of Obama, he gets the most support and people think he is the polar opposite when he is just a reflection in the mirror of the current dictatorial regime.
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  25. Never enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    After another poor showing, to most Paul doesnt exist. He is the only one in the race that has not won anything yet.
    and with all the electoral votes allocated so far between the 4 contests, its not 10% of whats required to be the nominee. Its a sad state of our instant gratification society that with no candidate having gotten 5% of the necessary delegates that anyone calls it over.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    and with all the electoral votes allocated so far between the 4 contests, its not 10% of whats required to be the nominee. Its a sad state of our instant gratification society that with no candidate having gotten 5% of the necessary delegates that anyone calls it over.
    true, but history has shown us all how momentum plays a prominant role in all of this. Additionally, certain demographics are more powerful for certain candidates. Nevada with a high Mormon population....etc...

    At the end of the day, I honestly think some of Paul's supporters were more of a hindrance than a help. They espouse such utter nonsense about him as the "only true hope", etc.. that people begin to put the blame on him and it turns a lot of people off.

    As I have said, I dont dislike his economic policies, it is his foreign policy i have issue with. However, none of these folks are "saviors"

  27. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    It wasnt a poor showing, it was a no show. With limited financing and resources unfortunatly they decided not to even waste any money in florida especially when you cant get any delegates unless your first.

    The reason Paul doesnt exist is because the corporations dont want him to exist.

    I know Im being repetitive, but really TV can market Paul to win. Its really up to the "tube" on who wins the elections, with the combination of the corporate powers financing the election and marketing them to win. Thats the reason Obama won with his remarkable slick 5th grade audience acting skills. The entire elections is primarily a fraud.

    Romney is a corporate carbon copy of Obama, he gets the most support and people think he is the polar opposite when he is just a reflection in the mirror of the current dictatorial regime.
    Please see my post above.

    Additionally, rightfully or wrongfully, Paul is not "sellable". He appeals to no distinguishable base, and his supporters are a downright turn off to borderline supporters. They are rabid animals (no offense)
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Please see my post above.

    Additionally, rightfully or wrongfully, Paul is not "sellable". He appeals to no distinguishable base, and his supporters are a downright turn off to borderline supporters. They are rabid animals (no offense)
    that defines Obama pretty well i'd think too
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post

    At the end of the day, I honestly think some of Paul's supporters were more of a hindrance than a help. They espouse such utter nonsense about him as the "only true hope", etc.. that people begin to put the blame on him and it turns a lot of people off.

    As I have said, I dont dislike his economic policies, it is his foreign policy i have issue with. However, none of these folks are "saviors"
    Thats just like all the other candidates, Romeny and Gangrich, but Id say they have more rabbid animals than Paul currently. The more recent example of utter nonsense, and to the most extreme marketing of a candidate was Obama, and he won. Obama still has a large group of rabid animals who drool at every word he reads off the telepromter.

    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Please see my post above.

    Additionally, rightfully or wrongfully, Paul is not "sellable". He appeals to no distinguishable base, and his supporters are a downright turn off to borderline supporters. They are rabid animals (no offense)
    Yes, there is a issue with sell-able, but the base is becoming distinguishable for sure. It seems that your looking to pick on a movement's negatives due to the lack of instant gratification, when really this is a long term timely process that by far does not involve one man and the opposition has vast and unlimited resources along with military might.

    The "sellable" part is a tough one, I know this is an issue with society. With a government/corporate monopoly on public education, and government/corporate monopoly of all the mainstream media its hard work to break apart conditioning that started at early childhood.
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