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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    He's my guy too. He's now in the lead for the GOP
    Aw man a Teddy Roosevelt conservative?
    Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

    But newt would be an improvement over Obama, nonetheless

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    LOL
    I think it will go down to Newt vs Mitt and Mitt is a phony IMO

    Michelle Bachman espouses MY beliefs the most but she cant win
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    LOL
    I think it will go down to Newt vs Mitt and Mitt is a phony IMO

    Michelle Bachman espouses MY beliefs the most but she cant win
    Yeah.
    Im not the only one whos tired of this political machine.

    Unfortunately the next one will still be for big government and less freedoms....just depends if it's packaged as democratic "income equality" (which is redistribution of wealth) or a Teddy Roosevelt loving conservative
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    Nail on head.

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    Is the election over yet? Who won McCain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    Yeah.
    Im not the only one whos tired of this political machine.

    Unfortunately the next one will still be for big government and less freedoms....just depends if it's packaged as democratic "income equality" (which is redistribution of wealth) or a Teddy Roosevelt loving conservative
    So true. Either way, they're all socialist to some degree or another.

    I personally had hopes for either Bachman or Perry. Gingrich is ok and seems to be anti-socialist, but that doesn't mean he's telling the truth either. Mitt, well, I dunno about him either. In some ways I could have confidence in him and in others I'd fear another socialist leap in society under his reign.

    As for Ron, he's done. And I liked him too other than his foreign policy (which sucked pretty hard). He ought to do the honorable thing and move to independent party to help out the race against Obama. In the end, I want a republican more than anything. And so that means I'm more interested in a candidate that has good debating skills and has lots of money. After all, whats the point in having my Bachman or Perry just to see them get crushed by Obama and the media?
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    they call paul's foreign policy isolationist because it goes against the military industrial complex, not because it's actually isolationist. Name 1 other country that has more than 5 military bases on foreign soil? Cutting foreign aid isn't isolationist either, how much aid do other countries spray around?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    they call paul's foreign policy isolationist because it goes against the military industrial complex, not because it's actually isolationist. Name 1 other country that has more than 5 military bases on foreign soil? Cutting foreign aid isn't isolationist either, how much aid do other countries spray around?
    Right ^ and we still give aid to China too, we take from the poor here and give to the rich there what a joke.

    Calling Ron Paul an "isolationist" reminds me of old Communist China with Mao Tse Tung when they would use these silly slogans to knock off all political opposition. Also reminds me of grade school when they would label a student nobody liked and everybody for some reason was hypnotized into believe the victim is just exactly that which is the silly slogan.

    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    I'm more interested in a candidate that has good debating skills and has lots of money.
    To a majority of voters having good debating skills requires having good acting skills, looking good on camera, having your makup done right and speaking to the audience as if your speaking to a group of 2nd graders. Simple questions and non-specific answers, whoever does the best run around and looks best doing it gets the votes. Thats why in some of these debates such as the CBS debate, they gave Ron Paul 89 seconds in a 60 minute time slot because what he says isnt meant for the average simple viewer watching the debate (as well as the effort by the corporations to blackout of Ron Paul )
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    Im fine, Im with 2PAC...I just was tired of running the country and needed a way out.
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    On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14
    On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
    contrast her with Palin. whew
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
    I'd much rather a Biden-Obama swap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76

    I'd much rather a Biden-Obama swap.
    I hope this isn't serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee View Post
    I hope this isn't serious.
    I'd rather Joe than Barack, yes. Is he my first choice no, but I think we would have been out of Iraq sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76

    I'd rather Joe than Barack, yes. Is he my first choice no, but I think we would have been out of Iraq sooner.
    this is the man who just said the Taliban is not an enemy.

    when the NDAA/"indefinite detainment" bill that just passed the house states in its own words that the Taliban is an enemy/threat.

    Sorry man...they are both idiots

    but yes not a first choice hahah
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    On an interesting note, a recent Washington Post article is stating that Condalezza Rice has a very good chance to be the GOP VP nominee, as her foreign policy chops are very strong. There is also grumbling of a Biden-Hillary switch as well.
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76

    I'd much rather a Biden-Obama swap.
    Me too, the press conferences would be funnier
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Me too, the press conferences would be funnier
    One thing I really miss about the Bush regime. I mean, they destroy planetary civilization, but at least its easy to poke fun at them, right?
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    I want Ron Paul to win. I have no faith in any other candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    I want Ron Paul to win. I have no faith in any other candidates.
    Im starting to feel like Im becoming mainstream now, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Im starting to feel like Im becoming mainstream now, lol
    Hey I've liked Ron since 09
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    I want Ron Paul to win. I have no faith in any other candidates.
    The more I study socialism, corporatism (or whatever fancy names are out there for Marxist philosophies) --> the more I like Ron Paul. He's the only one that truly focuses on getting this country back to it's original intent. I haven't decided how I feel about his foreign policy at this point, but everything else looks golden. I think he has a chance, really. He's such starking contrast to Obama that I'd almost bet people would be enticed to consider him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    The more I study socialism, corporatism (or whatever fancy names are out there for Marxist philosophies) --> the more I like Ron Paul. He's the only one that truly focuses on getting this country back to it's original intent. I haven't decided how I feel about his foreign policy at this point, but everything else looks golden. I think he has a chance, really. He's such starking contrast to Obama that I'd almost bet people would be enticed to consider him.
    I've been praying that he wins. Come on what other candidate would audit the federal reserve?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    I've been praying that he wins. Come on what other candidate would audit the federal reserve?
    No one. He is also th only candidate that will minimize the fourth branch of government --> the IRA's aka regulators. Pretty sure no one else would cut the IRS and $1 trillion in government spending in the first year, lol. But man it sound good. I so hope we can get back to pre-1913 America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    No one. He is also th only candidate that will minimize the fourth branch of government --> the IRA's aka regulators. Pretty sure no one else would cut the IRS and $1 trillion in government spending in the first year, lol. But man it sound good. I so hope we can get back to pre-1913 America.
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    I will never understand Ron Paul fans. He would be a disaster. Imagine how divided the congress would be, nothing would get done, and we would e in the same situation if not worse than now.

    On the good side, he will never win as the republican party will never get behind him. Face it, Romney v. Obama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    I will never understand Ron Paul fans. He would be a disaster. Imagine how divided the congress would be, nothing would get done, and we would e in the same situation if not worse than now.

    On the good side, he will never win as the republican party will never get behind him. Face it, Romney v. Obama.
    It already is a disaster, and with more wars and corruption in the forecast a halt in progress is better that negative progress.

    Remember that movie "Lean On Me" with corrupt faculty and staff and the students out of control.....Ron Paul is Mr. Clark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    It already is a disaster, and with more wars and corruption in the forecast a halt in progress is better that negative progress.

    Remember that movie "Lean On Me" with corrupt faculty and staff and the students out of control.....Ron Paul is Mr. Clark.
    Terrible analogy. Mr. Clark did not face all the roadblocks that Paul will. He will be the ultimate do nothing president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    It already is a disaster, and with more wars and corruption in the forecast a halt in progress is better that negative progress.

    Remember that movie "Lean On Me" with corrupt faculty and staff and the students out of control.....Ron Paul is Mr. Clark.
    Amen to that. It's already jacked up and I'm just saying that I'm not going to let this go quiety into the night. I'm voting Ron Paul if he makes it to election. I don't believe in his skills as a speaker or debater. I believe in what he stands for. Whether a liberal wishes to admit it or not is something that the country was founded upon. But at any rate, I do believe a republican of nearly any sort is better than Obama. But I also believe that many candidates are also pro-socialist, just like Bush was. Even Gingrich, for instance, tries to hold socialism over Obama's head but I personally dont think he'd be so much different. A true socialist makes people think they have freedoms to live how they want when in reality that government has all the control. Obama sucked at this, he was too obvious about government control. Gingrich and Romney on the other hand will accomplish the same as Obama and more yet make the public feel like they are being "liberated".

    And BTW, Ron Paul has a good chance. He is #1 in the Iowa polls - tied with Mitt Romney. Good for him! I hope he wins because it means a terribly menacing threat is headed to Washington to clean up the liberals, socialist and anti-democractic legislature. I hope the people get behind him, too since that's what it will take to get our freedoms back like it used to be before this Marxist crap started taking over our country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion

    Amen to that. It's already jacked up and I'm just saying that I'm not going to let this go quiety into the night. I'm voting Ron Paul if he makes it to election. I don't believe in his skills as a speaker or debater. I believe in what he stands for. Whether a liberal wishes to admit it or not is something that the country was founded upon. But at any rate, I do believe a republican of nearly any sort is better than Obama. But I also believe that many candidates are also pro-socialist, just like Bush was. Even Gingrich, for instance, tries to hold socialism over Obama's head but I personally dont think he'd be so much different. A true socialist makes people think they have freedoms to live how they want when in reality that government has all the control. Obama sucked at this, he was too obvious about government control. Gingrich and Romney on the other hand will accomplish the same as Obama and more yet make the public feel like they are being "liberated".

    And BTW, Ron Paul has a good chance. He is #1 in the Iowa polls - tied with Mitt Romney. Good for him! I hope he wins because it means a terribly menacing threat is headed to Washington to clean up the liberals, socialist and anti-democractic legislature. I hope the people get behind him, too since that's what it will take to get our freedoms back like it used to be before this Marxist crap started taking over our country.
    Fueled, to make this a partisan issue is silly. Both parties are corporatists, they are no different the only issue for Paul is that republicans will ever support him, no matter what. Even if he pulls off Iowa, he is trailing in all other early states. If I was a betting man, I say Romney pulls away early
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    Fueled, to make this a partisan issue is silly. Both parties are corporatists, they are no different the only issue for Paul is that republicans will ever support him, no matter what. Even if he pulls off Iowa, he is trailing in all other early states. If I was a betting man, I say Romney pulls away early
    agreed.

    both parties are more or less the same. BIG government.

    Gingrich is a progressive. he repeats over and over his love affair for Teddy Roosevelt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carpee

    agreed.

    both parties are more or less the same. BIG government.

    Gingrich is a progressive. he repeats over and over his love affair for Teddy Roosevelt.
    Saying it and doing it are 2 different things. Teddy was also an enormous war monger, just throwing that out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    Saying it and doing it are 2 different things. Teddy was also an enormous war monger, just throwing that out there
    yes a war loving progressive.

    if you are supposed to head a "conservative" party it's pretty bass ackwards to state TR as your role model
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14
    I will never understand Ron Paul fans. He would be a disaster. Imagine how divided the congress would be, nothing would get done, and we would e in the same situation if not worse than now.

    On the good side, he will never win as the republican party will never get behind him. Face it, Romney v. Obama.
    The most frightening phrase in the English language is "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

    Tell me this, has it ever been better for the American people when Congress "accomplishes" more? Or is them passing nothing better for us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The most frightening phrase in the English language is "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."

    Tell me this, has it ever been better for the American people when Congress "accomplishes" more? Or is them passing nothing better for us?
    While I completely agree that sometimes it is better to have no action.....I wonder then, what would be the point of a Ron Paul Presidency? Just to have no action for 4 years, and then watch someone else come in, since Paul will be in his 80's by then? Seems like a waste, and furthermore, I am not sure that we can get by now with no action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    While I completely agree that sometimes it is better to have no action.....I wonder then, what would be the point of a Ron Paul Presidency? Just to have no action for 4 years, and then watch someone else come in, since Paul will be in his 80's by then? Seems like a waste, and furthermore, I am not sure that we can get by now with no action.
    There would be plenty of action...of course there would be resistance in congress and who knows how much would really be accomplished in a measly 4 years (or 8), but you have to start somewhere to get all the rats out of there.

    At least we wouldnt have an executive ordering assassinations of American citizens or going to wars with other countries without consulting congress for a while for starters.

    We wouldnt have an excecutive signing off to extend the Patriot act, or signing other domestic police state policies such as the current NDAA bill for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    While I completely agree that sometimes it is better to have no action.....I wonder then, what would be the point of a Ron Paul Presidency? Just to have no action for 4 years, and then watch someone else come in, since Paul will be in his 80's by then? Seems like a waste, and furthermore, I am not sure that we can get by now with no action.
    He'd be able to dismantle all the czars, overturn regulations and as commander in chief close foreign military bases. And he could use the bully pulpit far better to force Congress' hands.

    No more paying for 1 years spending with 10 years' income.....
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