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  1. And the constitution did have a way to deal with it, the charge is treason. As I said, even finding him guilty of treason in absentia would have been fine, and it being public that he was found guilty and sentenced to death. But this just (nothing new for obama and progressives) just ignores the constitution.


  2. Ron paul has my vote but do to corporate controlled media he wont win simply because he wont get mainstream media cove***e
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    And the constitution did have a way to deal with it, the charge is treason. As I said, even finding him guilty of treason in absentia would have been fine, and it being public that he was found guilty and sentenced to death. But this just (nothing new for obama and progressives) just ignores the constitution.
    a charge of treason in abstentia? to me that is a tad foolish. again, the beauty of the constitution is that it is a living document, that can be adjusted. There is no way our founding fathers would have been able to see the issues of today, so their punishments to me are not appropriate.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    a charge of treason in abstentia? to me that is a tad foolish. again, the beauty of the constitution is that it is a living document, that can be adjusted. There is no way our founding fathers would have been able to see the issues of today, so their punishments to me are not appropriate.
    Agreed to some extent. The principles remain the same but the circumstances evolve.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    there is no provision for losing your rights without due process. If he died in a large scale firefight that's one thing, an unmanned drone isnt any better or different than a long range sniper. Its not all that far different than the branch davidians. Were they nutbags sure, but the way the atf assaulted them denied them their "inalienable" rights. When we ok our government doing it in one situation what happens? They continue to expand how they use it, and are more than capable of fabricating news and intelligence reports to support state run assassination of citizens who pose problems.
    While its hard to feel sorry for this guy, there is bigger point that you are nailing. For instance assume Palin were president and had this type of free reign with our military actions. Though nobody is losing sleeping with this guy's death, if we open the door on this type of action it will be hard to shut later. Plus there's worse things than death ...like out of country military prisons.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    But this just (nothing new for obama and progressives) just ignores the constitution.
    We all know W was hoping to do the same thing. There's been plenty of actions taken that ignore the constitution since 9-11, by both parties.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    a charge of treason in abstentia? to me that is a tad foolish. again, the beauty of the constitution is that it is a living document, that can be adjusted. There is no way our founding fathers would have been able to see the issues of today, so their punishments to me are not appropriate.
    Yes, its a living document as changed by constitutional amendments, none of which apply here.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76

    We all know W was hoping to do the same thing. There's been plenty of actions taken that ignore the constitution since 9-11, by both parties.
    Sure, but it just continues to get worse each year

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Sure, but it just continues to get worse each year
    Worse yes. But Bush detained americans without due process, granted now we kill without due process.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Worse yes. But Bush detained americans without due process, granted now we kill without due process.
    And also Bush went to unjust wars, but went to congress. Granted now we use an executive order to go to war with any country on the planet without consulting congress.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    And also Bush went to unjust wars, but went to congress. Granted now we use an executive order to go to war with any country on the planet without consulting congress.
    Well our drone attacks aren't considered war so I hear. I feel I'm the type of person that is as up to date on the news as any average american (sometimes more / sometimes less) and some of these places we've used drone attacks in the last several months I somehow hear about like a week later. And I'm thinking when the f*** was this decided and why??? When did Africa become an enemy??

    EDIT for topic discussion Chris Christie is looking good relatively speaking

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    We all know W was hoping to do the same thing. There's been plenty of actions taken that ignore the constitution since 9-11, by both parties.
    indeed, this is not a partisan issue at all (although Easy might believe it it). Both parties are for big government and violating the constitution at some level.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    Well our drone attacks aren't considered war so I hear. I feel I'm the type of person that is as up to date on the news as any average american (sometimes more / sometimes less) and some of these places we've used drone attacks in the last several months I somehow hear about like a week later. And I'm thinking when the f*** was this decided and why??? When did Africa become an enemy??

    EDIT for topic discussion Chris Christie is looking good relatively speaking
    I was talking about Lybia which was much more than just drone attacks, but an all out and ongoing war. What they call it is not what to go by.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post

    EDIT for topic discussion Chris Christie is looking good relatively speaking
    until people see NJ's unemployment rate

  15. Quote Originally Posted by AE14

    indeed, this is not a partisan issue at all (although Easy might believe it it). Both parties are for big government and violating the constitution at some level.
    No, I can agree with that, hence my ron paul support.

    It isn't so much about this particular douchebag, as the precedent

  16. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    until people see NJ's unemployment rate
    Its ok...he just supported the official recent raise for all NY/NJ bridges and tunnels to $12, and will go up to $15 in a few years so the great people of Jersey Shore can look forward to getting minimum wage jobs in NYC and work the first 3 hours just to pay to cross the bridge.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    until people see NJ's unemployment rate
    Relative being the key word Shoot we'd kill for a 9 something over here. Those were the good ol days lol

  18. Quote Originally Posted by ax1

    And also Bush went to unjust wars, but went to congress. Granted now we use an executive order to go to war with any country on the planet without consulting congress.
    The president always had the right Ito to war or 90 days I believe without the consent of congress.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76

    Relative being the key word Shoot we'd kill for a 9 something over here. Those were the good ol days lol
    It is higher in NJ than nationally. He stands no shot, he is too polarizing right now. His best chance is to wait till 2016, and hope Obama wins and tanks further.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    It is higher in NJ than nationally. He stands no shot, he is too polarizing right now. His best chance is to wait till 2016, and hope Obama wins and tanks further.
    its not 9%?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    The president always had the right Ito to war or 90 days I believe without the consent of congress.
    Its well past 90 days now, and it doesnt comply with the War Powers act of 1973.

    Regardless, they totally dodged the laws by saying it was a "Kinetic Action" for "Humanitarian Causes" and that we will only be there for a few days and they never declared this a war. Keep in mind the CIA had been in Lybia starting the uprising well before hand funded by black budgets. I told people last year before any of the uprising's started that this was going to start happening in the middle east, but they didnt believe me.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Jessep76 View Post
    its not 9%?
    Its around 9.4 now and moving along with all the cuts to public sector jobs. THe most mind boggling was cutting police in Camden/Newark and Trenton

    Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Its well past 90 days now, and it doesnt comply with the War Powers act of 1973.

    Regardless, they totally dodged the laws by saying it was a "Kinetic Action" for "Humanitarian Causes" and that we will only be there for a few days and they never declared this a war. Keep in mind the CIA had been in Lybia starting the uprising well before hand funded by black budgets. I told people last year before any of the uprising's started that this was going to start happening in the middle east, but they didnt believe me.
    I agree its past 90, however, Libya is not just an American issue. Isnt it NATO? Big difference

  23. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Yes, its a living document as changed by constitutional amendments, none of which apply here.
    again....trying to apply todays issues to a document from 200+ years ago is difficult. However, the beauty is that it can be amended and should be with the world we live in.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by drrockzo

    You do realize most online polls are linked to IP address so that you can only vote once right? Although there are ways around this I dont think most people are gonna take the time to do that.
    I am voting for Ron Paul as I feel he is the last chance we have to get this country back to constitutionality but my second choice would have to be Huntsman.
    Ron Paul! Give peace a chance! He's got my vote for sure. I want to see peace, see an end to the drug war and see an America I can be proud of! plus if we play our cards right we'll be able to get our gear without being demonized and without facing a criminal record.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post

    I agree its past 90, however, Libya is not just an American issue. Isnt it NATO? Big difference
    Yes, and America being involved with NATO's wars makes it even a bigger/worse issue for me.
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