Do you know this guy?

[The Neck]

Remember how the media called him an idiot and screamed about all his failures incessantly? He is looking awfully good right now.

And Obama continues to get a pass from the media no matter what he does!



"Socialism only works

In two places:

Heaven where they don't

Need it and hell where they already have it."

-Ronald Reagan


'Here's my strategy on

The Cold War:

We win, they lose.'

- Ronald Reagan



'The most terrifying words

In the English language are:

I'm from the government

And I'm here to help.'

-Ronald Reagan



'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'

-Ronald Reagan



'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about because the U.S. Was too strong.

- Ronald Reagan



'I have wondered at

Times about what the

Ten Commandments would

Have looked like if Moses

Had run them through

The U.S. Congress..

-Ronald Reagan



'The taxpayer:

That's someone who works

For the federal government

But doesn't have to take the

Civil service examination.'

- Ronald Reagan



'Government is like a baby:

An alimentary canal with a

Big appetite at one end and

No sense of responsibility

At the other'

- Ronald Reagan



'The nearest thing to eternal

Life we will ever see on

This earth is a

Government program.'

- Ronald Reagan



'It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession.

I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first'

- Ronald Reagan



'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:

If it moves, tax it.

If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving,

Subsidize it'

- Ronald Reagan



'Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed,

There are many rewards;

If you disgrace yourself,

You can always write a book.'

- Ronald Reagan



'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.'

- Ronald Reagan


'If we ever forget that we're one nation under GOD, then we will be a nation gone under.'

-Ronald Reagan

[Young Gotti]

awesome post, reps for sure

[southpaw23]

Oh god.

[seccsi]

Reagan definitely had some great quotes. Anyone else notice that with all this debt ceiling debate the pundits are dragging out the Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times mark out at every opportunity? Reagan's conservative legacy certainly is filled with actions that current conservatives might despise.

[Knotch]

Reagan was nothing more than a mindless puppet. His son, Ron, thankfully didn't drink the kool-aid like his father and the majority of Americans. I don't agree with everything he says but respect the fact that despite where he came from, he has learned to think for himself.

When will people realize that it is fascism (or at least many aspects of it) that is plagueing our nation and not socialism. If you want to be ignorant and just automatically associate socialism with marxism, the goal would be a self-governing people, not a certralized government and would have a stateless, classless society. THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST THIS IS HAPPENING and it is counter productive to society as a whole to continue to spread misinformation. It has nothing to do with political party and to even think that it does plays into the hidden hand. The more infighting that continues, the more we allow ourselves to be screwed. Take 'off-grid' living and 'sustainable living'. It's essentially the same thing with one big difference, the term 'off-grid' is more associated with conservatives and nut jobs and 'sustainable living' is associated with lefties and enviromentalists. (Note not hippies. This would imply, an unrelated, belief of 'peace and love' which has nothing to do with the topic at hand and would be an incorrect classification.) There would be an overall reduction in government dependance if more people would embrace/adopt sustainable living practices, but they won't simply because of the label, and some people just aren't happy unless they have something to bitch about. They turn to the governemnt to say "Where are the jobs?" yet say government is too big. This is illogical and hypocritical and a symptom of laziness and stupidity.


I sound like a broken record but I bring up Marinol again. Synthetic THC, Schedule III. Marijuana, natural THC, Schedule I. For reference, Cocaine is Schedule II. Big pharma is one of the reasons marijuana is illegal. A blatent monopoly. And if you're thinking, so what I don't like pot it should be illegal. You fail to see the underlying concept, government hypocricy aka the hidden hand. Members of the forum are up in arms about the FDA possibly banning all supplements, well if you're ok with situation surrounding marijuana, YOU'VE LOST THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN. You've already allowed the government to do what it wants without regard for the people, you've made your bed, sleep in it. That is the reason Americans have allowed themselves to be herded like sheep, instead of making decsions based on sound logic and the good of ALL, we (I certainly don't include myself though) would rather push our own special interests and make decisions based on our chosen faith. This is again a HUGE problem. Religion requires no logic, no proof, and discourages questioning authority. How do you know if what you're doing is right? If you need someone/soemthing else to tell you, that speaks volumes about a person. A just act requires no justification.

Other things to think about as far as the job front goes, is oil. But not in the way you typically hear it talked about. Since the discovery of oil, the world population has quadrupled. We can go farther, quicker, faster. Think about that. Each town now only a few grocery stores, or other shops due to increased travel capacity of it's citizens, or at least those who can afford cars. There just simply isn't a need for more and because of that, there are fewer places to seek employment.


"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."- 1 Timothy 6:10
"In god we trust"- American money.

Think about it.

[EasyEJL]

When will people realize that it is fascism (or at least many aspects of it) that is plagueing our nation and not socialism. If you want to be ignorant and just automatically associate socialism with marxism, the goal would be a self-governing people, not a certralized government and would have a stateless, classless society.

Going to any non-merit, non-capitalist system is all the same. Label it what you will, its not what our constitution allows. The federal government was created to provide 2 services - protecting our border which they fail miserably to do (our illegal immigration problem) and resolve conflicts between states. Politicians continue to further and further use the "intrastate commerce" clause to justify any crazy ass idea they have, and the progressive liberal judges they have put in place say its ok to use the constitution like toilet paper.

[Knotch]

Going to any non-merit, non-capitalist system is all the same. Label it what you will, its not what our constitution allows. The federal government was created to provide 2 services - protecting our border which they fail miserably to do (our illegal immigration problem) and resolve conflicts between states. Politicians continue to further and further use the "intrastate commerce" clause to justify any crazy ass idea they have, and the progressive liberal judges they have put in place say its ok to use the constitution like toilet paper.

I think you know what I said, but you don't understand what I meant. You've taken 2 lines from a fairly large statement out of context and tried to impose a meaning/ belief to it that you think you have a valid counter point to. If you want to have a discussion about my previous post that's fine but I'm not going to go out of the context in which it was written.

Edit: When I was younger I used to think that we needed to do any with government as it is/was, but now I've realized any form of government WILL work if those in power have the interest of the people in mind and purity in their hearts. To make sure it I'm not being interpreted as being aggressive, http://youtu.be/UUhc1hf63p8

[The Neck]

you guys know some $hit!

[mich29]

he gets a pass because he came into office during a mess.

[omni]

I think that if the "founding fathers" came back, most people in government would be hung for treason. "Progressives" are trying to change what this government represented when it was formed using lawyers to pick apart the words of the constitution and the true meaning of those words are being lost. Want to know what those words meant? Look at the laws in 1776 vs. what we have today.

[n8te]

he gets a pass because he came into office during a mess.

Lol what a joke.

[omni]

he gets a pass because he came into office during a mess.

I hope you meant Reagan, since thats who the OP was quoting. If you meant Obama, well, he's not even the subject. Yes, Obama walked into a mess, but has only made it worse because the only experience he had as a leader, was his campaign. I can't blame the poor guy. He just wasn't an experienced leader. Neither was Reagan but he had life experience and knew how to handle money.

[StangBanger]

Wait Wut?

Reagan's trickle down economics is what put this country on the original downhill slide...

[EasyEJL]

Wait Wut?

Reagan's trickle down economics is what put this country on the original downhill slide...

No, FDR and "the new deal" was

[mich29]

No, FDR and "the new deal" was

this was quite a deal.

[seccsi]

Wait Wut?

Reagan's trickle down economics is what put this country on the original downhill slide...

The size of government certainly exploded during Reagan's era and he raised taxes/the dreaded debt ceiling. It's strange how the conservative champion that so many "conservatives" admire did things that people who say they are conservative now wouldn't ever support.

[EasyEJL]

The size of government certainly exploded during Reagan's era and he raised taxes/the dreaded debt ceiling. It's strange how the conservative champion that so many "conservatives" admire did things that people who say they are conservative now wouldn't ever support.

And the national debt was less than half the gdp, the gdp was growing, and there were signs that a balanced budget was possible.

Contrast with today, the national debt is about to pass the gdp, the best budget deal passable still has the debt reaching 2x gdp in 10 years, and the gdp growth rate is below inflation, and almost insignificant.

So quite a different environment, which makes supporting or not supporting something quite different.

[seccsi]

And the national debt was less than half the gdp, the gdp was growing, and there were signs that a balanced budget was possible.

Contrast with today, the national debt is about to pass the gdp, the best budget deal passable still has the debt reaching 2x gdp in 10 years, and the gdp growth rate is below inflation, and almost insignificant.

So quite a different environment, which makes supporting or not supporting something quite different.

Actually the environment wasn't that different. When he came into office we were in the midst of a big recession, a national debt fight, and a divide over taxes (sound familar). He proceeded to hike up taxes at this point. Many of the "moves" Reagan made would probably not be supported by some of those on the right today, but obviously the political climate is much different now.

Ronald Reagan certainly wouldn't have signed the no tax pledge. Of course I'm not advocating hiking up taxes, but I do find it odd at times how someone the right parades as such a hero did many things that would make the right today puke.

[EasyEJL]

The environment was quite different then, I lived through it :-) inflation was 13% then, unemployment was 7%, there had been no huge housing crash, and the national debt was less than half the gdp. Quite different

[seccsi]

And really it's the hypocrisy of the right that pisses me off more than anything. I'm not for the big government policies of Democrats, but at least they aren't hiding from it. You have Republicans talking about Reagan all the time as some saint. Then they say we can't raise the debt ceiling? WTF, Reagan did it 11 times. They praise some Reagan quote (the man was a quote genius!), worship him and then say "I signed a no tax pledge." WTF, Reagan hiked taxes.

What pisses me off about Republicans is they say "oh let us run things, we believe in small government, these liberals want a nanny state." You put them in and the next thing you know we are fighting wars, cutting taxes, and sending people stimulus checks in the mail. Yeah, let's get rid of taxes and spend like crazy, that will end well. In the meantime let's worry about gay people fighting in the military or gay people getting married. That sounds like a good thing for my government to get involved in.

The hypocrisy is what makes me mad. I have a lot more respect for a politician who is big government and doesn't back down from it than one who claims to be little government and then gets in office and is anything but.