But societally its accepted. The odds of a black on white crime being treated as a hate crime is roughly 0.Originally Posted by seccsi
But with it being societally accepted for any minority to self segregate, its ridiculous that the majority can't.Originally Posted by seccsi
You are correct, blacks killing blacks doesn't affect me personally. It's very sad, sure! But on a physical, safety-concerned level, if I was assured that I would not be assaulted by a black man due to my Whiteness, I would no longer be concerned around black people. I, however, do not accept blacks killing Whites simpyl for the fact that they're White. If it could be 100% blacks killing blacks, I'd be fine with that. Then we could work with the black community to deal with the problem. Just like if it were 100% Whites killing Whites, I'd expect Whites to deal with the problem. But, unfortunately for you, the numbers just don't provide for a "snowball's chance in Hell" of becoming true. It is people like you that have allowed things to become as bad as they are by burying your heads in the sand, and blaming everything under the sun except for the true culprits, and essentially legitimizing the problems by saying either "well, we can't do anything about it" or "other people are doing it too", and doing nothing to fix the problem.
And if you're going to cite statistics, please cite your sources as I have. Otherwise I begin to think you're making up statistics to make your points become valid (which tends to be what liberals do, especially in instances of gun control).
However, if I want my children to have a better education, be safer, and not be exposed to that kind of disruptive behavior, I should be allowed to do so by sending them to schools of my choosing. The law should have no say in the matter. Again, multiculturalism has only served to subjugate the European culture of traditional family values and the traditional American lifestyle. Hell, the psychiatrists are trying to legitimize pedophilia, we're now selling lingerie for children, and in Switzerland they now have "sex boxes" for kindergarteners, so they can learn what genitals feel like (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/grap...s-pleasurable/)! They're even removing any gender-specific terms from schools in Canada (like "boy" and "girl")! ALL of these are liberal/progressive/socialist ideas! I'll bet you're just fine and dandy with those too right? Multiculturalism at its' finest!Originally Posted by Seccsi
The only people that feel an interest in telling me how to raise my children and live my life are liberals, and I don't like it. I want to raise my children as God-Fearing Christians with good moral character, and to understand what is REALLY right and wrong (not just what the liberals decide is acceptable or unacceptable). That is currently quite an undertaking given the current society we live in, and it should not be as such. And if we were able to choose where we send our kids for schooling, and neighborhoods that fit our expectations of what its' culture should be, then this would no longer become an issue.
Once again, the OKC bomber was not TARGETING minorities! THAT is the difference. Find some recent White-on-Black TRUE Hate Crimes and we'll talk. I have twisted NO statistics, the numbers don't lie. And the difference between my views and the racism by minorities is this: Mine are in RESPONSE to the violent racism from the minorities. Get rid of the racism from the minorities, and I'll come out of my shell. The fact is the blacks are TARGETING Whites, and I am simply being Proactive to defend myself and my family from potential further attacks. ONCE AGAIN, I have NEVER wished harm on anyone due to their race, but rather, that they simply LEAVE ME ALONE! YOU are the one twisting facts and statements, and yet you have yet to come out with any (cited) statistical evidence to back up your claims that multiculturalism has EVER worked in ANY country.Of course that was my point. As was the 100% of white OKC bomb drivers. We can always twist statistics to support our points. As you proved in the thread talking about how much more public sector workers made and I cleared that up by proving how unreliable that was
Before you say our country was founded on multiculturalism...it was not.
It is funny, they used to call the US "The Melting Pot". And what happens in a melting pot? The metals aren't encouraged to keep their own identity and celebrate their differences, but all become part of a single alloy.
1. I'm not anywhere near a liberal.
2. YOU CAN'T FIND A STATISTIC TO SUPPORT BLACKS TARGETING WHITES. This makes every other point you have attempted to make moot. I want to see the statistic that shows the majority of black people have an agenda to kill whites. Until you can do this all your fear mongering, lyric posting, bull**** statements about black people "flowing" means jack ****. You won't find that statistic because it doesn't exist.
According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.
• Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.
• Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.
• Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.
• According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.
Seriously I really feel sorry for you. What is it like to see minorities on the street and cower in fear? "They are coming to get me!"
As I've said a billion times, if you want to be "left alone" then move into the mountains or something. Society has long ago decided that hispanics, asians, white people, black people, and everything else in between are going to live in the same cities, work the same jobs, vote, go to the same schools, etc. THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. Either accept that you will see black people in the supermarket if you live in highly populated areas or leave highly populated areas. We already had segregation and we AREN'T going back. You can either accept that, or go to a place where you can be left alone.
I'll have to leave this alone, good luck with your racism guys. Hope it works out for you! In the meantime I won't be pissing myself everytime I see someone different than me.
Where is there anything statistical supporting white on black hate crimes that is anything more current than those?
The idea that the majority of black people are purposely going out and killing white people BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE is ludicrous and no one can find a statistic that supports it. If you could, then I would agree, blacks ARE targeting whites. The mere fact that a black person is more likely to commit any crime doesn't lend ANY credence to the targeting argument. Nor does the higher amount of black murder rate or ANYTHING else you posted.
Anything you find that doesn't change the underlined statement is not about what I'm arguing. And some rap lyric hardly counts as evidence.
the justice department says it happens, I'm not sure why you find it so hard to believe.In 1996, the FBI received reports of 10,706 hate crimes from State and local law enforcement agencies, involving 11,039 victims, and 10,021 known perpetrators. The crimes included 12 murders, 10 forcible rapes, 1,444 aggravated assaults, 1,762 simple assaults, and 4,130 acts of intimidation.
Among the known perpetrators, 66 percent were white, and 20 percent were black. Some perpetrators commit hate crimes with their peers as a "thrill" or while under the influence of drugs or alcohol; some as a reaction against a perceived threat or to preserve their "turf'; and some who out of resentment over the growing economic power of a particular racial or ethnic group engage in scapegoating.
So again, where is the evidence that the majority of black people are targeting whites? It still hasn't been provided. Although I must say the attempt by you two to show it is quite amusing. "It's out there I swear I know all those minorities are out to get us! I just have to find the right stat!"
You apparently for being a teacher don't understand math or logic, so I can't guess what you teach. You stated that there wasn't any black on white hate crimes and no statistics to support it. When government statistics support it, suddenly your argument changes...Originally Posted by seccsi
Whites make up 64% of the population, blacks 13% . Blacks are proportionately far more likely to commit a hate crime based on race.
The contention by Brian was that blacks were targeting whites. I said other than a few loons (like the loony whites that target blacks) that statement had no statistic basis. I specifically asked for data that showed a majority of blacks committing crimes against white people because they are white. To me that would back up his statement that lots of blacks were targeting whites. NOTHING either of you have shown has been even close to making that case. The requirement still stands. I just wonder how many different things you two are going to put up that DON'T show what I'm looking for. Please read a little more carefully so you waste less of my time responding to strawmen.
I guess you'll switch to personally attacking me and saying I don't understand stuff when you're wrong.
I can just see you're so bound and determined to prove that it's ok judge people based on skin color. How about you two go on being scared of people based on the color of their skin and I'll go on being scared of people when they give me a reason to be scared of them. Then we can both be happy.
Honestly, I'm all out of statistics (well, except for TONS of recent news stories in which the black assailants actually admitted to picking White victims, but you're not looking for those either so...)! Honestly, with all of the numbers we've thrown up, you STILL can't see that it is not unreasonable to wish to separate MYSELF from people that STATISTICALLY are a threat? There's really nothing I can do to force you to see reality for what it truly is. I mean, I could give you a wide selection of news stories illustrating my point, but if the statistics already already given don't make you see my point, then I guess there's nothing left that I can say.
And everybody judges people based on defining characteristics. It's human nature, and a survival instinct. We are designed to recognize the dangers that have proven to be a threat in the past, so we can avoid them (or prepare for the worst if unavoidable).
And if you look at the numbers Easy put up, and look at the US Census from 1990 and 2000 and average the populations amongst those two (best we can do since the census is every decade), you will see that of the ~11000 HATE CRIMES (keep in mind blacks have to do some HORRIBLE things to get charged with a Hate Crime as I have illustrated, so the numbers are skewed quite a bit), 66% were commited by Whites (7286), while 20% by blacks (2208). Then look at the population for Whites (205 million) and blacks (34 million). Now with some simple math, you will see that the 66% of Hate Crimes by Whites equates to a probability of .35%, while the 20% by blacks equates to .65%! That means if you're black, the odds are 35/10,000 of being a victim of a Hate Crime by a White man, but if you're White, YOUR odds are 65/10,000 (almost double)! AND, that doesn't actually include all of the other crimes that aren't reported as Hate Crimes (some of which I've cited in these posts), which would only serve to DRAMATICALLY RAISE those odds. The Hate-Crime statistics are misnomers (that may not be the right word), because they don't actually report the statistics that you THINK they are. They are skewed based on whether or not our society mandates that blacks be held to the same level of accountability as Whites, which just doesn't happen. Hence why people that rape/castrate/and murder husband and wife in front of each other are only in prison for a few decades, while a White boy that defends himself gets life in prison for a Hate Crime. Either way, I don't really think there is any way you are WILLING to accept what I'm saying. You'll keep twisting my words, and that's fine. I would expect nothing less from a liberal teacher! Anywho, gotta go back to school now.
THAT has pretty much been my point all along. Just like SOME muslims are terrorists and SOME christians are terrorists, the idea that ALL of them are based on what the minority of them do is just plain stupid. You seem to be struggling with that point. It flies directly in the face of your fear of ALL minorities. The simple fact is you don't want to let go of that fear. Even though you've JUST PROVED my point that statistically you aren't likely to be a victim of a hate crime whether you're BLACK OR WHITE! Through YOUR statistic the fear for either race of each other is NOT backed up. But I'm sure you'll try and twist that around. You can't even prove a majority of blacks do this, let alone all of them.
You don't want to let go though. You want to blame and say things like "a white boy gets life for defending himself." Whites can't learn because of blacks in the classroom. You've admitted you're racist, and I'm not trying to change you. If you WANT to be scared of people based on their skin color go right ahead. But stop saying things that are DEMONSTRABLY false. The VAST majority of blacks aren't targeting whites just like the VAST majority of whites aren't targeting blacks.
I would expect nothing less from a young racist kid in COMMUNITY college. Fun I can use personal attacks as well. And apparently you continue to ignore the fact that I'm libertarian as has been shown by my posts in here countless times. I'm sure it hurts because you think ONLY liberals would be friends with minorities right? No real white American conservative could possibly defend minorities.
You wouldn't change based on anything I could possibly show you, you've already admitted you're racist and you want to stay racist. I hope you can make it through another day at school without those minorities getting you. Every day is a blessing to stay alive with all those different people trying to hurt the whites. It's AMAZING any white people stay alive isn't it?
Well, you got me! I've clearly explained my points-of-view, and I don't see how this conversation could possibly move any farther forward than it has already gone. And as far as the Community College thing goes, we all need to start somewhere, and I'm only two years younger than you, and I just got out of the military. I'm just now starting my education, and as such I'm doing my Generals at the CC (like most people) before transfering to the University. I'm not really sure why you think I'm somehow inherently stupid because I'm going to a CC, but you're entitled to your opinion I s'pose. But just for future reference, I thought you might like to know that going to a Community College is a stepping stone for MOST people, not the ending point. I am not, by any means, limited to a Community College (except by money)! And on that note...
You may have wanted to see proof that a "majority of blacks" were doing it, but that was never a statement that anyone else here made. The only thing either I or brian said was that hate crimes are committed by black people against whites, are committed disproportionately based on their population %, and are ignored by the media. Its ignored by the media of course because of their "progressive" bent, which apparently you buy into.Originally Posted by seccsi
And perhaps you also in your lack of logic and reasoning didn't realize you began with personal attacks first. I can only hope you don't teach any subject that requires critical thought in students.
If a white person is walking down a dark street, and there are 3 black men on one side, and 3 white men on the other side, its safer to walk down the side with the white men. Sadly, its still safer for a black man to walk down the side of the street with the white men.
When statistics from the justice department support it, its ridiculous to not use sound judgement and take the safer path. Purposefully putting yourself in a path of more danger so you can sing kumbaya later with the rainbow coalition is not logical and contrary to common sense.
Does that mean that at the gym, at work, etc all the black people are bad? Of course not. I've got more black male friends than white male friends. A few are hatian, dominican, and a few american. Although my wife would probably flip, I wouldn't care if my daughter dated a black man, an arab, an indian, whatever. In my neighborhood, all those are options as its the most racially mixed neighborhood i've ever seen.
In a normal social setting, I treat everyone equally until they give me cause not to. In a city setting at night? An entirely different proposition.
Again its using sound judgement, and not exposing yourself to additional risk merely so after you are beaten down and robbed you can feel sorry for the black men who did it because they grew up poor and with a father who abandoned them, and grandparents who taught them to hate whitey.