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  1. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    They usually do. You are 1 of about 3 moderate/liberals on this site, including myself. I learned from the beginning to stay clear of these threads, it goes no where fast. It's always the same faces creating threads like...black vs white? I have a better question, it's 2011 - who gives a f#@k?
    Lol, I've never really thought of myself as a liberal, but I guess if you're against segregation you're a liberal on AB. Agreed, it's 2011, not 1940.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    When I say "Current" Bible, I mean that the Bible is divided amongst two different Covenants between God and the Jews (Old Testament and New Testament), and BOTH are printed in the same bible (the Old Testament is included to provide historical context for the New Testament). The Old Testament was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified, thus beginning the New Testament, which is the CURRENT covenant between us and God. That is why the New Testament is the book to live by, and not the Old Testament. Calling the Westboro Baptist Church...a church...is in itself wrong because nowhere in the Bible does it say what they've said. Anyone can make something up and attribute it to an interpretation of the Bible, and by your definition, be called a Christian terrorist! By your definition, an atheist could be a Christian Terrorist! But the only thing consistent is that no Muslim would be surprised by Muslim violence, since the Quran specifically lays out rules for COMMITING VIOLENCE, and the New Testament does not. Any "Christian" commiting terrorist acts citing the Old Testament might as well be called a Muslim (it would actually be more fitting, since the Quran IS modeled after the Old Testament). It is other people attributing names to describe a person, and for some reason they are called Christians when they are in NO way following Christ's teachings! Why not simply call them crazy?!? Now if a person commited terrorist acts from the NEW TESTAMENT (like a Muslim would do with their Quran in it's entirety), then it would be perfectly acceptable to call them Christian terrorists, since the New Testament is the book we live by.
    --Brian
    So Muslims who do violence are not crazy because the Quran tells them to do that, but Christians who cite the Bible as the reason (with specific verses) they do bad things aren't really Christians to begin with (in fact we may as well call them Muslims).

    Ok, I'll just have to back away from this argument. I think you're in loony toon ville on this.

    Hint: You can't just denounce all Christian terrorism as "not Christian" and not let Muslims do the same thing. At least not without a significant and obvious amount of bias and hypocrisy.

    Double hint: If you look at the WBC you will see they back up most of what they say with interpretations of specific Bible verses. Including many things from the New Testament.

    Just like the amendments are open to interpretation so are our books of faith like it or not. They have been interpreted differently by different people for thousands of years.

    FWIW I'm thankful most people seem to interpret the Bible as you do, just like I'm thankful most Muslims are peaceful people. I'm not trying to say let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch in this regard anymore than I am with blacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    What you've said and what Brian has said are two pretty different things. You keep trying to drag him into the "saner" side of the argument. Again, he's said it's "their culture" that blacks are targeting whites, etc. times a million. When you don't use terms like some blacks or some whites then you're talking on a whole scale which is stupid. Like I've said before you're wrong when you make generalizations about whole groups of people. This is what leads idiots to believe things like "all Muslims are terrorists." No, you let the actions of a few dictate your thoughts about the population of people on the whole. And you KNOW that's asinine at best.My issue has from the beginning to the end been about Brian making these large scale generalizations and how wrong I think people are always going to be when made. That's the only reason I got involved with the argument. That has been ignored time and time again while you've tried to pull what he's said in line with what you've said. Honestly I really don't think both of you are arguing the same thing no matter how often you try to say you are.
    if you drew a venn diagram, he and I would have some overlap, but not a ton.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Just because more white people rape than black people doesn't make my statement any more stupid if I say "well I'm telling my daughter to avoid all whites because that's who she is most likely to be raped by."
    But if she were to go out with 1 black man, or 1 white man, she's more than twice as likely to get raped by the black man.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Again, society is better off when you try to reduce the number of rapists. Society is worse off when you place people in categories based on skin color, blame them for problems based on skin color, etc.
    but when the culture of a group encourages and accepts bad activity and you ignore that, society doesn't get any better off as you'll reduce the number of rapists, violence, etc in the other segments of society not in that cultural group. Because how do you reduce the number of criminals? incarceration, death penalty and cultural change. A black culture whose leaders still today in 2011 (as the clip from the Black Congressional Caucus members shows) call for racism, call for violence and don't address the flaws within their own culture surely won't be modified by the white culture they revile.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Also I don't know when we decided to start trying to throw a bunch of youtube appeals to emotion in and consider them hard evidence. I have no desire to start looking up white supremacy groups to show you that whites are doing the same thing. And I think the whites who hate blacks are every bit as crazy as the blacks who hate whites.I've never thought the words of lunatics were worth listening to. But if you want to get started try Aryan Nation, National Alliance, Klan groups, and White Revolution. That should provide you with some fun reading.
    you really should watch the bill cosby one, if you've never heard him talking other than comedy before. And again, a huge difference between some looney bird in alabama with half his teeth saying things, and 4 members of congress saying them.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Then again, most of the people I know who really don't like blacks at all love to tell you how they AREN'T racist. "I hate n******" So you're racist? "Don't you call me racist, I knew a black guy once!"
    I'll admit on average I don't particularly like "american" black families who have been here more than 4 generations, at least not the young members. Theres a generational spot (today around 35-50 years old) where I've met plenty I like. Younger than that seems a majority are too bought into the "thug life/pants on the ground" life to waste my time with, older than that and they (somewhat rightfully) tend to be among the most racist people on the planet. The older ones got to experience some of the worst racism outside of Hitler's Germany though, so it is hard to blame them. Getting spit on at school, or getting your ass beat because you spoke to a white girl is bound to leave some psychological marks.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Also I don't get the whole because they are racist I should be racist argument in the least bit. I don't know where you and Easy are going with it, but you've both argued that way. It seems really childish. Well, he's being racist...but, but, but so are some black people so it's right!

    Uhmm, ok?
    Its not a case of he's racist so its ok for brian to be racist. Its a case of "society accepts and approves of his racism, why shouldn't it feel the same about brian's" Its about the culture of allowing and accepting that which somehow through the efforts of progressives has workout out to in many ways a disadvantaged majority. If we were to stop accepting racism from minorities, i'd be all for not accepting it from brian.


    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    They usually do. You are 1 of about 3 moderate/liberals on this site, including myself. I learned from the beginning to stay clear of these threads, it goes no where fast. It's always the same faces creating threads like...black vs white? I have a better question, it's 2011 - who gives a f#@k?
    You're right who that has any sense gives a crap? I don't. From all that i've written and said i'm sure the liberals don't believe me, but my wife is hispanic, and i've got more male black friends than white ones. I'm rarely at a get-together or party where being white isn't being in the minority, and I enjoy it thoroughly, particularly all the different foods from different cultures. But when congressional leaders preach racism and its accepted theres a deep problem and somehow we have to find a way though and past it. I really like Bill Cosby's approach. Its simple, its personal responsibility.
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  4. I personally don't belong to any organized religion but I think its wrong that no clergy will be at the WTC memorial service because of Multiculturism.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by omni View Post
    I personally don't belong to any organized religion but I think its wrong that no clergy will be at the WTC memorial service because of Multiculturism.


    Me too...

    I'm not very religious. I personally find it funny that people deny the science that states we descend from apes, yet have no problem accepting the science that made cell phones, MRI devices, anti-venom, microwaves, etc.

    IMHO science has been very right so far, I have no reason to deny my ancestry... even if it's crazy to believe we came from ape sex! I guess the craziest thing of all is to realize just how advanced we are as a species, yet also understand how parasitic we've become. (I've been watching a lot of BBC shows lately)


    Getting back to the point, I find it comforting to believe in something greater than myself or mankind, and the fact that people would like to go pray for the dead... I don't think we need to "science" that away. That any person would like to take time out of his or her day to go remember and pray for the dead... it is a very human gesture, and we should allow it.
    Flatter me, and I may not believe you. Criticize me, and I may not like you. Ignore me, and I may not forgive you. Encourage me, and I will not forget you.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by vinnythestick View Post
    Me too...

    I'm not very religious. I personally find it funny that people deny the science that states we descend from apes, yet have no problem accepting the science that made cell phones, MRI devices, anti-venom, microwaves, etc.

    IMHO science has been very right so far, I have no reason to deny my ancestry... even if it's crazy to believe we came from ape sex! I guess the craziest thing of all is to realize just how advanced we are as a species, yet also understand how parasitic we've become. (I've been watching a lot of BBC shows lately)


    Getting back to the point, I find it comforting to believe in something greater than myself or mankind, and the fact that people would like to go pray for the dead... I don't think we need to "science" that away. That any person would like to take time out of his or her day to go remember and pray for the dead... it is a very human gesture, and we should allow it.
    Agreed. There is no reason that other people being religious should effect/harm/insult anyone within earshot, that disagrees. Much of our country is religious, although I am relatively agnostic I believe that people should be able to do what is comfortable for them within reason. Not praying at WTC memorial is ultimately socially awkward. It wouldn't be normal. Do it at any other memorial service.

  7. Just realized I revived the **** out of an old thread. Sorry guys.

  8. It's all good man! Don't even worry about it! I personally left this thread a long time ago. Hope all is going well with you buddy!
  

  
 

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