Muliculturism has Failed
- 08-30-2011, 05:56 PM
And what exactly were you referring to in: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html? Are you implying that any Christians actually live by the OLD Testament? If you knew anything about Christians, you would know that the OLD Testament was meant to prepare the Jews for the COMING of the Messiah. The NEW Testament is a reflection on the life of Jesus, as well as how we are to live our lives TODAY! If you want to quote Bible verses as they apply to a Christian of TODAY, you should probably use the part of the Bible that shapes our daily lives (the New Testament), rather than the historical part of the Bible that applied to the Jews BEFORE Jesus was born (the Old Testament). Here is what the Quran currently states:
1. Qur'an (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" - An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom [from the OLD Testament]. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (The story is also repeated in suras 27 and 29).
Need I say more?
- 08-30-2011, 07:02 PM
I'm about to write a LOT, but it's good information and personal experiences that which I am using to base my ideology on (in large part). If you truly care to understand and debate these issues, read on. If not, just skip it. Either way, I apologize in advance, but the topic of black culture/education and their influences on White youth/education can tend to get a little long !
Originally Posted by seccsi
1. In SC, I remember a White girl at my school got slashed in the face with a razor blade because she said a black girl's hairstyle didn't look right, and that's also where I got choked with the barbed wire by those black guys (among other things). Things were so bad we had a police department INSIDE the school...
2. In GA, we had a police department/jail INSIDE the school...
3. Come to think about it, my Community College ALSO has a police department/detainment facility INSIDE the school! Hmmm.
So the only states that had schools (that I've been to) that weren't disruptive (other than the occasional fight...which I only heard about but never saw) and had no need for its' own, internal police department/detainment facility were in SD and UT (and coincidentally, they didn't have police stations inside them either) Hmmm. I just KNOW there's a reason for that to be gleamed from this information and previous posts that could hypothesize why that would be.
I was born in Phoenix, which is why I didn't include that state in the discussion, except to say I remember picking up an ounce of Coke at the bus stop (the day before my neighborhood friend (we were 8 years old) got kidnapped). My dad had to take it back to the bus stop and pray nothing would happen to us. The only thing consistent...we lived in low-income housing surrounded by Mexicans (exclusively). Didn't much care for that culture either, but at least they left us alone (back then they did anyways, and for the most part that still seems to hold true).
Luckily, I got a great education in SD, and in the private schools in SC (I went to Catholic school from 4th-7th and 9.5th-10th grades, and public school the rest of the time) that I was able to build off of those great foundations to fill in the education gaps of public school, and become the man I am today. My education in public school sucked donkey balls, and yes, I WILL attribute that to the disruptive behavior of the minorities, because in every school I have EVER been enrolled in (4 different High Schools) the White kids were always keeping to themselves, and the blacks were always rapping or talking to each other (loudly) throughout class. That's not to say the White kids were paying attention and being good kids (because we all know Teenagers are Hellions), but at least they weren't being disruptive in class, and at least respected the teacher enough to do what he said.
And as far as your "White kids being problems" example, are they trying to be black? I know that sounds bigoted as Hell, but allow me to explain what I'm getting at. As I have stated previously, society paints White people as either dumb, gay, girly (if male), or all of them, basically putting Whites in an unappealing light. While at the same time painting blacks as strong, masculine, athletic, bossy, Alpha-Male, Gangster, authoritative, etc. etc. And with the way children are being indoctrinated in school with this multiculturalism BS, they begin to "realize" that they'd be "cooler" to emulate the people that society deems as "cool" (such as LL Cool J, Lil Wayne, Pimp C, Tupac, Biggie, etc.) And it is inevitable that when White people adopt that culture/lifestyle, they become disruptive and disrespectful (the same as when blacks embrace that culture). And yet, when we see White people living the same culture the same way we see black people living it, it's embarassing. But hey, don't worry, it's "cool" for the black guy to do it. That is the reason I want to raise my family AWAY from that culture, so my children grow up to be proud of who they are and THEIR heritage. The double standard is pretty obvious to ANYONE that is willing to see it (ever heard someone say "Sheeit, that White boy tryin' ta be gangsta"? That's because we all know only black people can be viewed, acceptably, as gangsters right. Think about what those quotes are REALLY saying...Theirs is NOT a culture to be mixed with ours.
Children/Teenagers are impressionable, and at young ages their moral compasses have not yet been firmly established. I will tell you that RAP and the people that listen to it/the people I was hanging out with are THE reason I started doing and selling drugs (I was actually arrested for distribution at a very young age), and causing problems (I was the little White kid that just wanted to be cool and be accepted). I really bought into how cool it was to be a drug dealer, and kill people, and do drugs, and skip school, and all that ****. I actually ended up buying a stolen .22 longrifle for $200 at a pretty young age, with every intention of killing my drug dealer (thank GOD I had a long-time buddy that was able to intervene, albeit unknowingly). Human life just didn't really matter much to me at that time (I am so grateful that is no longer the case). And all because the Rap music and the people I was hanging around prompted my moral compass to veer off into no-where land. I definitely didn't get the ideas from my family (wonderful, loving, Air Force parents), nor from my White friends as we were learning to program our computers (the old 286 with the Turbo button ). And seeing as how those ideas came from somewhere, it had to be either the Rap music directly, or through the people I was associating with who also listened to Rap). And we all know teenagers become rebellious, but for me to have taken those direct paths, it had to be a cultural thing, that which was not from my family's culture.
Bear with me, I'm in a lot of pain today (so extra Oxy's for me), and it's a little bit difficult to come up with the right way of saying what I'm trying to say.
- 08-30-2011, 08:48 PM
Again, where have I argued things like this? I have never said minorities should get preferential treatment. I have merely said Brian appears to be much more discouraged by negative things that happen by blacks than whites. ANY citizen should be angry at crime. Why the hell does the color of their skin matter? If a girl is raped we should be irate whether it was a black, hispanic, white, or any other race. Brian's way actually makes things worse by continuing the wars between people based on their skin color. He says he has no respect for black people, but wants them to respect him. What kind of sense does that make? It makes sense to you for him to say "I'm a racist, I hate black culture, but all I want is them to respect white people."
Really? Honestly, who do you think makes the problem worse? Someone who says society should be separated because black culture has caused all of our problems or someone who says all races commit crimes, we should work to lower the crime committed by all people as I say. I just want your honest opinion. I'm completely opposed to any reverse racism, affirmative action type stuff that continues the cycle of separating expectations of people based on skin color. I would be all for getting rid of hate crimes. I completely agree with you when you say who cares a dead person by a baseball bat is a dead person by a baseball bat.
And you've been saying "Brian's not saying that" but then being surprised when I quote him. Go back to page 5. He has said he's racist, said the culture's don't mix, blamed black people for damn near everything, said we should have segregation, etc. Brian couldn't be making it more clear that he despises blacks on the whole. His use of slang terms to talk as apparently all blacks talk is downright disturbing.
08-30-2011, 08:53 PM
But I suppose that's black cultures fault right? I mean all the problems started happening when we freed the slaves right? Er, when black culture started to happen. Your answer to every problem in society is really "black people's fault." Amazing. I can't believe someone as educated as Easy appears to be would side with you on anything.
So since you've quoted rap lyrics and the like, what about something like Columbine? Where the WHITE kids listened to hard rock by white people and played games made by white people. How exactly was that black people's fault again? You know white hard rock and white death metal has some pretty disturbing lyrics as well.
But you know, let's ignore putting any of the blame on anyone that isn't black.
08-30-2011, 08:54 PM
I'm not saying I'm 100% the same as the libertarian party, but I'm much more libertarian than I am anything else. I'm not a righty because I'm anti forced religion, pro gay marriage, pro legalization of pot, etc. And I'm not a liberal (as much as you'd love me to be) because I'm extremely fiscally conservative. I would LOVE to cut our defense budget, decrease entitlement spending, and I'm opposed to stimulus in the terms of government spending.
Clearly I disagree with some things especially in regards to education. Mainly because I believe the benefits of requiring schooling outweigh the negatives.
08-30-2011, 08:56 PM
Luckily not only can you speak for how all blacks act, but now you know how all Christians act. Damn you're good.
And ooopsie, the New Testament promotes violence as well.
But I know all of that is interpretation which people will use differently. Clearly my parents haven't interpreted those verses as to be evil just as many Muslims haven't interpreted the Quaran to do violence. Once again when YOU paint all people in broad brush strokes you will always be wrong.
08-30-2011, 10:15 PM
Well. As I stated, Christians don't LIVE the Old Testament (that's why it's called the "Old Testament"). Do some Christians sometimes act out the things found in the Old Testament? Sure they do. But to say they are Christian terrorists is crazy, because they are not following Church teachings! The Quran, on the other hand, currently teaches the things I have previously stated. If a Muslim were to stone a homosexual (or carry out an Honor Killing), he would be following the Quran and staying true to the religion. The "Old Testament" was a Covenant between the Jews and God, promising salvation if followed. When Jesus was born, crucified, and born again, he brought the Covenant to a close ("For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity, and formed a new covenant between God and the Jews": Ephesians 2:15). Again, according to Christianity, we do not live the Old Testament, as Jesus completed the Old Testament and a NEW Covenant was formed (the New Testament). And since the Quran is based on the Old Testament in the Christian Bibles, but does not have a "New Testament" (as far as I'm aware), they still operate under the barbaric Old Testament commandments. And no, I can't speak for all Christians, but since I'm Catholic, I can speak for myself and MY religion. And you, who I can only assume is not religious, seem perfectly comfortable speaking for all Christians...which is more of a stretch?Originally Posted by seccsi
So you believe a baby doesn't have any inalienable rights? Otherwise, you are saying a woman has the right to deny that baby the Right to Life. I have no problem with pornography, as all adults were consenting in the process. I'm also against forced religion, but I believe that if I want to pray at school, sports events, take up donations for church at PTA bake sales, etc. I should be allowed to.Originally Posted by seccsi
You do realize that "Liberal" does not automatically denote a Democrat, right? Many Independents are fiscally conservative AND socially Liberal. But the fact that you're not a Republican, nor a Democrat, does not make you a Libertarian by default, as Libertarians are concerned more with social policy than Economic policy. You seem to have that backwards. With the information you've provided, I tend to believe you are more of a Fiscally-Conservative Liberal Democrat (they do exist...the "party of Kennedy").
So you have problems with White kids that don't give a ****. Okay, that'll happen wherever you go. They're kids...in School! But I guarantee you they are NOT being anywhere near as disruptive as the kids I'm referring to. As far as Columbine goes, ONCE AGAIN, Columbine didn't TARGET black people! In fact, only ONE black kid died (no other blacks were even wounded): http://acolumbinesite.com/victim/isaiah.html. So out of 13 victims, ONE was black, and you're using this example to counter my arguments showing nearly 100% black aggressors/100% White victims!?! That's kinda crazy!Originally Posted by seccsi
I never said I have no respect for black people, nor have I said that I "am racist", but rather I "am becoming racist". "Becoming" is the operative word there, meaning I am more than willing to reintroduce myself to other cultures once they stop seeing White people as a mere inconvenience (or worse). I have always accepted minorities, and become friends with them, and once these problems are addressed, I fully intend on continuing to do the same. But until then, I believe it would be best to keep my distance. I have said they have a problem within their culture they need to sort out regarding the way they view Whites, and until they do, I want to keep my distance, since I have no control over the way they see White people (these changes are all up to them should they decide to make them). And when I said I want them to respect White people, I meant that I want them to respect us the same way they would respect someone else of their own race, and with normal human dignity (rather than as a mere walking ATM/inconvenience like they do now), and you know that. Quit twisting my words because it's getting old. And what difference does it make if I segregate myself or not, either way, no one is even remotely attempting to solve the problems I've laid out (hence why I want to segregate). And as far as our culture's not mixing...very few cultures mix well. We do best to enjoy each other's culture while keeping our own. The problem lies in the fact that other cultures are receiving preferential treatment over my own. And I only blamed black CULTURE for RACIALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENCE towards White people. Never have I said they are the foundation to every problem in society. Just that their Culture is not really conducive to the European culture, and they will not mix well (nor have they). And I'm assuming you've lived in Rural Kansas for at least the better part of your life. If so, you should try branching out so you could at least witness what I've been laying out, especially considering your area is extremely conservative and White.Originally Posted by seccsi
My slang vocabulary is on point, and the majority of blacks that I've run into do, in fact, speak that way (and there are a lot of blacks where I live). Ever since my first post, you have had a goal to depict me as some kind of murderous, genocidal, Hitler-loving, redneck lynch-lover, and that's just not the case. I love everybody equally as my brother, but I'm sorry, I'm not going to turn a blind eye to the glaringly obvious facts that our out there anymore. You can choose to if you'd like, that's your prerogative. I have no intention of telling you what to do, but you seem to be very critical about what I do, regardless of the reasons and how much evidence I provide to support those reasons.
08-30-2011, 10:20 PM
"Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to them the other also" (Matthew 6:39)Originally Posted by seccsi
"Put your sword back in its place.. for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
"Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you" (Matthew 5:43-48, Luke 6:27-28)
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31)
These are the true messages of the New Testament. The other quotes on that WikePedia article were taken out of context to serve a purpose.
08-30-2011, 10:33 PM
My issue with you all along has been your need to put everyone in a category. When you say our cultures don't mix, when you say we should kill all illegals, it's always "the blacks" that come out with a response like that, black people keep kids from learning, etc you are ALWAYS going to be wrong. For the simple fact that you've taken a huge population and said "this is how they act." It's false from the get go. You keep IGNORING this flatly. Some blacks are violent, some hispanics are violent, some white people are violent (even though you think they wouldn't be without blacks, whites were killing each other before they met black people). Some Muslims are terrorists, some Christians are terrorists.
All I ever asked for you to point out was how you could say we need to segregate based on a small percentage of people acting a certain way. I don't think we should get rid of Christianity merely because some people kill in it's name anymore than I think Columbine shouldn't have let white kids go to school because a few crazy white kids lost it.
Your targeting argument is BS at its heart. A very small amount of people target others because of their race. Some of these people are black, some are white. A very small amount of Christians and Muslims are terrorists. Yet you consistently want to group everyone in the same category.
As for the baby argument, I don't think the state should tell a woman what to do with her body. I think when life begins is very much up for debate.
As for your "respect" of blacks, you say that but you're pretty quick to dismiss everything as their fault. I've been to many other areas in my life and taught in a school that was inner city. And wouldn't you know it, NOT ALL BLACKS ACTED THE SAME. Shocking huh? If you respect blacks it seems to be about as much as I respect the rights of flies. But usually racist people (excuse me, people becoming racist) like to say things like "no I don't hate blacks, I just wish they were all gone!"
And that is my last post in this thread. Good luck with the all white society. The rest of us will be living in 2011 while you reminisce about 1940.
08-30-2011, 10:38 PM
08-30-2011, 11:03 PM
I didn't dodge, they aren't similar arguments. For a Christian to act out the Old Testament would be going AGAINST Jesus' teachings (since it is clearly stated that after Jesus died, the Old Testament was null and void and the New Testament was to be followed), whereas a Muslim is SUPPOSED to act out those things per the Quran.Originally Posted by seccsi
Obviously my "kill all illegals" was an overexaggeration, but a repeat offender illegal alien should be dealt with HARSHLY to deter further and future criminality. If only 1/100 (I'm making this proportion up) made my arguement false, it would still be worthwhile to take steps to negate the effects of the other 99/100 I was correct in depicting. Some Muslims are terrorists because the Quran tells them to do so, and they terrorize in the NAME OF ALLAH! Terrorists who terrorize in the name of Christianity would be wrong because no where in Christianity does it provide for these acts (unless you are completely disregarding the New Testament, which is the current Covenant between us and God). Sure Whites were killing each other before black people. But we had NO WHERE NEAR the number of violent crime incidents that we had after blacks. Keep in mind who invented the drive-by shooting...White people had curs and guns long before the drive by was invented.Originally Posted by seccsi
Never said WE need to do anything. Just that if people that shared MY viewpoints wanted to segregate OURSELVES in our communities, we should be afforded the opportunity to do so. That ideology doesn't have to involve you in any way, but should you decide in the future you wanted to stick with your own, that opportunity should be afforded to you as well. No one has the right to tell me that I cannot choose who my neighbors are. Name ONE person that has killed in the name of Christianity in recent history? And don't name the Norway shooter, as he was killing his political enemies (and it is HIGHLY debatable that he was religious at all given facebook page postings and his manifesto that stated he was agnostic). I really don't see how you can't make the connection between TARGETING a specific type of person to victimize and random attacks, and the different means of protecting yourself from being that victim. If someone is targeting you, you should do something to protect yourself. It it is truly random, there is very little you can do to protect yourself. Columbine victims were random. Norway shooter's victims were racially random, but targeted politically.Originally Posted by seccsi
I've shown several hundreds of black people that have targeted Whites recently in these postings, and that's just touching the surface. And again, show me a single terrorist who admitted to, or left enough evidence to prove that he was acting in the name of ChristianityOriginally Posted by seccsi
Democrats used to say the same about slaves and how many it took to equal one person for voting purposes.Originally Posted by seccsi
I do respect blacks and their accomplishments, especially the ones that become very successful! I do not dismiss everything as their fault, no where even CLOSE to everything!!! But crime (especially violent crime) is much more substantial in the black arena. And you know how I know I don't hate black people? Because when I come across them in public, I smile at them and say "hi!", and I am perfectly capable of carrying on pleasant conversations with them. We even joke around (I know, I know, hard to believe)! But I also have my guard elevated with an increased emphasis on situational awareness. My distrust for their CULTURE does not equate to any level of HATRED, and to say otherwise is incredibly ignorant!Originally Posted by seccsi
Well, I'm sure you won't believe me, but it was nice debating these ideas with you. These are conversations I wish we could have all had a decade ago, and perhaps things wouldn't have gotten as bad as they are today. Have a great day.Originally Posted by seccsi
08-30-2011, 11:11 PM
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You really shouldn't ignore that link.
Of course you can say they weren't acting as true Christians, but the point was many people kill in the name of religion. Many Muslims don't kill (remmeber the faith has over 1 billion people) despite you saying the book tells them to. Obviously they aren't interpreting it that way. The same thing with the Bible. You can talk about ignoring different parts or those people weren't Christians, but that's making excuses. Clearly some people INTERPRET parts of the Bible and use it for what society would say are evil intentions. If you want to just say "well then they aren't Christians"then that's dodging the point I was making.
Throughout history people have killed because of the books of their faith and people will continue to do so. Whether or not we "claim" them doesn't change that fact in the least bit. Making excuses for them doesn't change it either. People love to justify hate, and throughout history a lot of them have used books of faith.
08-30-2011, 11:57 PM
I will absolutely agree with you there. The point I was getting at is you can't describe someone as a terrorist acting in the name of Christianity when they aren't following the teachings of Christ. That's like an calling an atheist terrorist a Christian because he acted out the Old Testament. Once a Christian acts out the Old Testament when the New Testament replaced the Old one, he ceases to be acting under Christianity and becomes a simple terrorist. Unlike Muslim terrorists, who are following the preachings of the Quran. And while most Muslims are, in fact, very peaceful, it does not negate the fact that Muslim terrorists are, in fact, acting in the name of Islam when they commit atrocities due to the fact that the Quran affords them the opportunity to do so. Otherwise, I will agree in large part with what you said in this post. Religious conflicts are found throughout the world, but as of yet (besides the Crusades), I cannot recall any incidents where a Christian killed anyone in the name of God, and even if they had, it would be false to describe them as Christians because they turned their backs on the true teachings of Christ. Anywho, have a good night, and an even better tomorrow!Originally Posted by seccsi
08-31-2011, 01:40 AM
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08-31-2011, 09:17 AM
I've quoted you at least 5 times stating that blacks don't commit hate crimes. I'm not sure what else I can do there, its very readable.
And how you can respect that black inner city culture that glorifies "sticking it to the man", abandoning your children, no money for food so you are on food stamps, but money for rims and $150 sneakers, gang banging, etc. there is nothing there to respect. Respect isn't a default, its something you earn.
08-31-2011, 12:04 PM
Another fun piece on how the black community does it to itself...
A top lawmaker in the Congressional Black Caucus says tea partiers on Capitol Hill would like to see African-Americans hanging from trees and accuses the movement of wishing for a return to the Jim Crow era.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1WcgPIdoM
I know black tea party members (i'm not a member myself). Somehow challenging entitlements is racist to the black political leaders, just the same was as despising Obama as a presidential candidate for his stance, his lack of experience and lack of record was racist in 2008. If this is the sort of crap black leaders spout, how can things move forwards?
08-31-2011, 12:17 PM
Which is exactly the point I've been trying to make! Until THEY change their rhetoric, I feel it's necessary to distance myself from them (as do many Whites). THAT is the culture THEY have created, and as such, it does not mix with mine (and it is, in fact, an ASSAULT on my culture). It's just crazy to hear this kind of crap from BLACK leaders, and then say "Oh, I think they're just foolin'. I'm gonna go hang out with these people and hope they're not serious because I don't believe they're racist and every race has criminals, etc. etc.", when time and time again these mobs have proven they ARE serious. How many White mobs, numbering in the dozens to hundreds, have we seen recently, ganging up on Whites and beating the **** out of them (breaking eye-sockets/noses/jaws/teeth/assaulting 14-year olds/etc. and/or robbing stores? Personal/family safety is more important to me than Political Correctness BS, and I guess that makes me an outlier!Originally Posted by EasyEJL
09-01-2011, 04:21 PM
I don't respect that anymore than I respect white people doing it. Again where do you live? Do you not see tons of teenage white girls growing up without guys to raise their children? The culture is everyone's culture. More now than ever. Blacks, whites, mexicans, asians, they are all into the same stuff or getting that way. They all love the same music. They are watching the same movies. Playing on the same football teams.
My issue has always been with thinking A: All blacks act this way (which you continue to perpetuate) when you say things like "their culture accepts this." And B: Whites don't do the same thing.
The simple fact of the matter is that not all blacks are that way, and not all whites ARE NOT that way. You keep trying to say "but they do it more!" as some type of trump card. You should be livid when a guy doesn't support a child. The race of the guy shouldn't matter. You should be livid when someone is raped. The race of the person who raped is irrelevant. You should be livid when children are beaten. The race of the person beating someone is irrelevant. Your arguments sound very much like letting the white people who do these things off the hook or trying to place more blame on the blacks for this. "Well if rap didn't exist this wouldn't have happened." You need to move here so you can see all the white trash a holes who aren't raising their children, the ones smoking meth with no teeth having mentally retarded children, etc. Maybe Brian was right, I need to move so I can see the blacks he is talking about more. Maybe he needs to move so he can see that things aren't quite as great in that European culture he keeps talking about.
White people rape, murder, steal, beat kids, etc. So do mexicans, so do blacks. It should all anger you. And in a country where you live with mexicans, blacks, mixed races, etc you should do something about it or as I've said go somewhere secluded. Because [B]I think[B] you're pretty messed up if the race of someone who commits a crime is what bothers you and not the fact they committed a crime.
But the simple fact is all of this stuff thankfully is going down.
In 1980, Americans suffered 597 violent crimes and 10.2 murders per 100,000 citizens.
The latest numbers show violent crimes at 429 per 100,000 and murders down to 5 per 100,000.
And I would say as a part of AMERICAN culture that that's a step in the right direction. Because I'm bothered by the murder of anyone in this country no matter what race they are.
09-01-2011, 04:54 PM
And it makes a difference when you have common sense in dealing with any individual of any race. It is common sense to be more cautious and guarded in a non-familiar setting when a black man walks up to you than a white man because the odds of the black man robbing, beating or raping you is far higher than the odds of a white man doing it. You've even agreed that all statistics support that, that black men commit crimes at a far higher rate/percentage than white men. Its incomprehensible to me that you feel that should be ignored entirely when actually dealing with people you don't know.
What the cops in LA did to Rodney King was right, and its what i'd expect them to do to me as well in the same situation. When they tell you to stay down, you stay down, not keep trying over and over to get up. But somehow the media decided to try and demonize the cops (and there were black cops doing it too!) and started the race riots and all the damage that ensued, and demonstrated to black people that "its your right to resist arrest, and expect to cash out on a huge lawsuit if anything happens when you do". And I find that totally ridiculous.
Again these are issues with the city black culture, and I'm guessing in Kansas where you say most of the teens have never seen a black person, you don't see much of this. But around any of the big cities, where the majority of the US population lives its quite different than corn + cow fields. Watch the Bill Cosby video above, he's one of the few people to be honest and direct about it.
09-01-2011, 06:29 PM
Apparently, the Black Panthers Leader Samir Shabazz feels it's necessary to teach a group of blacks children "survival tactics" w/ loaded guns and machetes, while telling them to feel free to empty a whole magazine into an already disabled "assailant" (and I use the term "assailant" loosely, given the fact that you are White means you are an "assailant" to a Black Panther). Shabazz was also one of the people caught on video intimidating White voters in Philadelphia 2008, although Eric "my people" Holder decided to not file any charges, even though Shabazz was in possession of a weapon and threatening voters...But I'm just crazy to think there is an element of anti-White sentiment found in society today (as well as the media)
Yep, I'm the bigot. I'm the racist. Had I held a Self-Defense seminar for White people, and someone in the audience yelled "White power", I'd probably be in jail/dead right now, accompanied by a race-riot and 24/7 news coverage telling all about how my entire bloodline of descendants were slave owners and racists. My entire family would be harassed 24/7 by black vandals and mobs, as well as journalists. OUR lives would be ruined! The entire news-media-world would harp on how sorry they were that SOME White people owned slaves an INCREDIBLY LONG TIME AGO (who were sold by their fellow Africans in the first place), and that they were VOLUNTARILY enrolling ALL of their employees in mandatory "sensitivity training". Now if you combine this article with the Congressional Black Caucus' recent violent rhetoric, it almost seems as if the scene is being set for some kind of media-approved, nationwide racial "incident"...doesn't it!?!Originally Posted by Shabazz (Leader of New Black Panthers)
09-01-2011, 07:27 PM
I'd say that is quite the stretch Easy. It has been OBVIOUS from my posts that when talking about "targeting" whites I mean on a large scale. If you are accepting that because hate crimes exist then blacks are targeting whites then because hate crimes exist whites are targeting blacks. My MAIN point throughout this has been don't let the actions of the few dictate what you think about the many. So when he repeatedly said targeting I said show me the majority are doing this. A simple proposition if you aren't going to say "a small amount of blacks or a small amount of whites." I was always talking in big terms and that should have been obvious. You're trying to cherrypick pretty hard with that quote.
What you've said and what Brian has said are two pretty different things. You keep trying to drag him into the "saner" side of the argument. Again, he's said it's "their culture" that blacks are targeting whites, etc. times a million. When you don't use terms like some blacks or some whites then you're talking on a whole scale which is stupid. Like I've said before you're wrong when you make generalizations about whole groups of people. This is what leads idiots to believe things like "all Muslims are terrorists." No, you let the actions of a few dictate your thoughts about the population of people on the whole. And you KNOW that's asinine at best.
Again I've been around a lot of the country so don't make your judgements about me based on where I currently live. That doesn't strengthen your arguments anymore than your issues with me being a teacher. As I already mentioned I've taught in a school that was predominantly black. I'm a little confused why you're so quick to make judgments about someone you don't know based on information like "I teach" and I live in Kansas.
My issue has from the beginning to the end been about Brian making these large scale generalizations and how wrong I think people are always going to be when made. That's the only reason I got involved with the argument. That has been ignored time and time again while you've tried to pull what he's said in line with what you've said. Honestly I really don't think both of you are arguing the same thing no matter how often you try to say you are.
Just because more white people rape than black people doesn't make my statement any more stupid if I say "well I'm telling my daughter to avoid all whites because that's who she is most likely to be raped by."
Again, society is better off when you try to reduce the number of rapists. Society is worse off when you place people in categories based on skin color, blame them for problems based on skin color, etc.
Also I don't know when we decided to start trying to throw a bunch of youtube appeals to emotion in and consider them hard evidence. I have no desire to start looking up white supremacy groups to show you that whites are doing the same thing. And I think the whites who hate blacks are every bit as crazy as the blacks who hate whites.I've never thought the words of lunatics were worth listening to. But if you want to get started try Aryan Nation, National Alliance, Klan groups, and White Revolution. That should provide you with some fun reading.
Then again, most of the people I know who really don't like blacks at all love to tell you how they AREN'T racist. "I hate n******" So you're racist? "Don't you call me racist, I knew a black guy once!"
But I'll try and get out again. This is going nowhere fast and seems to be destined to become a youtube collection for angry white guys.
09-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Also I don't get the whole because they are racist I should be racist argument in the least bit. I don't know where you and Easy are going with it, but you've both argued that way. It seems really childish. Well, he's being racist...but, but, but so are some black people so it's right!
09-01-2011, 08:25 PM
I was raised Methodist, and been to a Catholic and Baptist Church. And they all have had readings from the Old Testament. MANY Christians still buy the basis of God making the world, the story of Noah, etc. This idea that all Christians are only reading and believing the New Testament is demonstrably false.
09-01-2011, 08:52 PM
Actually, those links are to NEWS articles, not youtube videos. There may be a video linked in, but it is an actually news. If you don't care to investigate those links, then I guess our debate would be over. And I challenge you to find a single White Supremacy group that has the support of the national media and Congressional White Caucus (as if that could EVER exist in this "post-racial" society...) and an extremely large base of White people, as the New Black Panther party has in every major inner-city with blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus is not a group of racist redneck hicks, but rather, elected officials that are SUPPOSED to be representing the ENTIRE district, INCLUDING White people, and yet they continuously divide their districts and completely disregard White people!Originally Posted by seccsi
Well now we're getting somewhere! If a statistically significant percentage of the rapist population were White, would you warn your daughter to avoid White areas filled with White people? Because that's the issue here...1.2% of the total population become assault victims in the United States in 2002. The majority (67%) of those offenders were black (leaving Mexicans, Whites, Asians/Orientals, and Others to commit the other 33%)! Out of the 3.38 million assault victims, ~1.11 million were by Whites, and 2.26 million were by blacks (2.036 times more than Whites, yet the black population is only 20% the size of the White population)! THERE WAS ONLY 36.4 MILLION BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY, and 216.9 million Whites!!! That means 6.2% of the black population were VIOLENT CRIMINALS (2.26 million black assault perpetrators / 36.4 million blacks), while .5% of the White population were violent criminals (1.11 million White assault perpetrators / 216.9 million Whites) .Originally Posted by seccsi
I want the freedom to avoid them until they get their act together!!! They are 12.4 times more violent than Whites, and at least I (unlike traditional racists) attribute it to a violent cultural shift a significant percentage of blacks have been embarking upon, leaving open the possibility of changing our racial climate for the better so that I can feel more comfortable associating with them. Why are you having a hard time understanding this!?! And as far as targeting Whites, I have posted far more evidence to prove my point than the blacks provide to "prove" Whites are "keeping them down". I have MORE than met the burden-of-proof standard as set by THEM, and if you choose to deny the facts, that's your prerogative. But it's just crazy to think that I'm the one that is out of line here.
09-01-2011, 08:58 PM
Except that the CURRENT Muslim text agrees with CURRENT terrorist actions...the bible does not. In fact, the CURRENT bible (current as of the death of Jesus, so it's been a while since the Old Testament was the CURRENT text) says to NOT be a terrorist!!! If a Christian commits terrorist acts, he is acting alone and without the consent of ANYONE IN THE CHURCH, whereas a Muslim has the approval of the entire religion given that he is following the CURRENT text of that same religion (as I have said, their CURRENT text states to stone Homosexuals, among many of the ways women are treated/Shariah law)!Originally Posted by seccsi
09-01-2011, 09:06 PM
While I'm not trying to say this by any means accounts for everything, let's not act as if people have a great history of being fair in terms of what would get reported/called assault. (Two parter). If you're not willing to account biases for at least some of the difference then you're not being intellectually honest.
Cliffs notes: White kids commit crime in front of people for hours almost no one calls the police. Black kids commit same crime in front of people tons of people call the police immediately, including a person who calls in reporting a potential black robbery from seeing three blacks sleeping.
If you think these types of incidents are rare, you're nuts. I know where I'm from with our limited black population a few of them loitering outside the street in backwards caps people are taking notice. You change that to three white kids and ain't a damn person paying attention. Let's face it, sometimes a rich white teen commits a crime and gets away with a "boys will be boys" while the same black kid commits it and it's juvy time.
Let's not forget things like name racism which partially keeps black unemployed leading to more crime. Obviously if we could improve the lot of a lot of these people's lives they would be less likely to make destructive decisions. Basically what I try to do with my "white kids" every day that have had a rough upbringing. Give them an education and the means to not make the same mistakes their parents made. Good luck with yours (being sincere). If you think avoiding all black people based on the actions of some is the best way to raise your kids then go for it. I'll still think it's wrong, but we aren't changing either others minds and like I said it's getting really circular.
09-01-2011, 09:09 PM
Hell they recently made a MOVIE with scenes about Noah's Ark. Evan Almighty. And I don't think all the Christians who saw it were like "where the hell does it talk about this Noah stuff?"
You saying "ah no real Christian would do that" would be exactly like a non-violent Muslim saying "no true Muslim would commit that violence." It's the EXACT same thing. Besides, people are always going to do with the words what they want. They will simply use the book as an excuse for their hate.
Let's see what the Westboro Baptist Church thinks is really said in the Bible:
Still don't believe people can twist the words into whatever the hell they want?
How about this blog from them. http://blogs.sparenot.com/
Clearly they aren't reading what you are reading in the Bible. If you want to say they aren't real Christians go ahead...but many Muslims are going to say the same thing about those behind 9/11.
09-01-2011, 09:29 PM
09-01-2011, 09:35 PM
When I say "Current" Bible, I mean that the Bible is divided amongst two different Covenants between God and the Jews (Old Testament and New Testament), and BOTH are printed in the same bible (the Old Testament is included to provide historical context for the New Testament). The Old Testament was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified, thus beginning the New Testament, which is the CURRENT covenant between us and God. That is why the New Testament is the book to live by, and not the Old Testament. Calling the Westboro Baptist Church...a church...is in itself wrong because nowhere in the Bible does it say what they've said. Anyone can make something up and attribute it to an interpretation of the Bible, and by your definition, be called a Christian terrorist! By your definition, an atheist could be a Christian Terrorist! But the only thing consistent is that no Muslim would be surprised by Muslim violence, since the Quran specifically lays out rules for COMMITING VIOLENCE, and the New Testament does not. Any "Christian" commiting terrorist acts citing the Old Testament might as well be called a Muslim (it would actually be more fitting, since the Quran IS modeled after the Old Testament). It is other people attributing names to describe a person, and for some reason they are called Christians when they are in NO way following Christ's teachings! Why not simply call them crazy?!? Now if a person commited terrorist acts from the NEW TESTAMENT (like a Muslim would do with their Quran in it's entirety), then it would be perfectly acceptable to call them Christian terrorists, since the New Testament is the book we live by.Originally Posted by seccsi
09-01-2011, 09:41 PM
Tell ya what! I'm feeling generous. I'll account for that by 1% (which is, in itself, DOUBLE that for Whites), and blacks are STILL 5.2%! THAT is a cultural problem, and THAT is what I've been getting at this whole time.Originally Posted by seccsi
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