Muliculturism has Failed
- 08-30-2011, 11:03 PM
Originally Posted by seccsi
Originally Posted by seccsi
Originally Posted by seccsi
Originally Posted by seccsi
Originally Posted by seccsi
Originally Posted by seccsi
Originally Posted by seccsi
- 08-30-2011, 11:11 PM
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You really shouldn't ignore that link.
Of course you can say they weren't acting as true Christians, but the point was many people kill in the name of religion. Many Muslims don't kill (remmeber the faith has over 1 billion people) despite you saying the book tells them to. Obviously they aren't interpreting it that way. The same thing with the Bible. You can talk about ignoring different parts or those people weren't Christians, but that's making excuses. Clearly some people INTERPRET parts of the Bible and use it for what society would say are evil intentions. If you want to just say "well then they aren't Christians"then that's dodging the point I was making.
Throughout history people have killed because of the books of their faith and people will continue to do so. Whether or not we "claim" them doesn't change that fact in the least bit. Making excuses for them doesn't change it either. People love to justify hate, and throughout history a lot of them have used books of faith.
- 08-30-2011, 11:57 PM
Originally Posted by seccsi
08-31-2011, 01:40 AM
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08-31-2011, 09:17 AM
I've quoted you at least 5 times stating that blacks don't commit hate crimes. I'm not sure what else I can do there, its very readable.
And how you can respect that black inner city culture that glorifies "sticking it to the man", abandoning your children, no money for food so you are on food stamps, but money for rims and $150 sneakers, gang banging, etc. there is nothing there to respect. Respect isn't a default, its something you earn.
08-31-2011, 12:04 PM
Another fun piece on how the black community does it to itself...
A top lawmaker in the Congressional Black Caucus says tea partiers on Capitol Hill would like to see African-Americans hanging from trees and accuses the movement of wishing for a return to the Jim Crow era.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1WcgPIdoM
I know black tea party members (i'm not a member myself). Somehow challenging entitlements is racist to the black political leaders, just the same was as despising Obama as a presidential candidate for his stance, his lack of experience and lack of record was racist in 2008. If this is the sort of crap black leaders spout, how can things move forwards?
08-31-2011, 12:17 PM
Which is exactly the point I've been trying to make! Until THEY change their rhetoric, I feel it's necessary to distance myself from them (as do many Whites). THAT is the culture THEY have created, and as such, it does not mix with mine (and it is, in fact, an ASSAULT on my culture). It's just crazy to hear this kind of crap from BLACK leaders, and then say "Oh, I think they're just foolin'. I'm gonna go hang out with these people and hope they're not serious because I don't believe they're racist and every race has criminals, etc. etc.", when time and time again these mobs have proven they ARE serious. How many White mobs, numbering in the dozens to hundreds, have we seen recently, ganging up on Whites and beating the **** out of them (breaking eye-sockets/noses/jaws/teeth/assaulting 14-year olds/etc. and/or robbing stores? Personal/family safety is more important to me than Political Correctness BS, and I guess that makes me an outlier!Originally Posted by EasyEJL
09-01-2011, 04:21 PM
I don't respect that anymore than I respect white people doing it. Again where do you live? Do you not see tons of teenage white girls growing up without guys to raise their children? The culture is everyone's culture. More now than ever. Blacks, whites, mexicans, asians, they are all into the same stuff or getting that way. They all love the same music. They are watching the same movies. Playing on the same football teams.
My issue has always been with thinking A: All blacks act this way (which you continue to perpetuate) when you say things like "their culture accepts this." And B: Whites don't do the same thing.
The simple fact of the matter is that not all blacks are that way, and not all whites ARE NOT that way. You keep trying to say "but they do it more!" as some type of trump card. You should be livid when a guy doesn't support a child. The race of the guy shouldn't matter. You should be livid when someone is raped. The race of the person who raped is irrelevant. You should be livid when children are beaten. The race of the person beating someone is irrelevant. Your arguments sound very much like letting the white people who do these things off the hook or trying to place more blame on the blacks for this. "Well if rap didn't exist this wouldn't have happened." You need to move here so you can see all the white trash a holes who aren't raising their children, the ones smoking meth with no teeth having mentally retarded children, etc. Maybe Brian was right, I need to move so I can see the blacks he is talking about more. Maybe he needs to move so he can see that things aren't quite as great in that European culture he keeps talking about.
White people rape, murder, steal, beat kids, etc. So do mexicans, so do blacks. It should all anger you. And in a country where you live with mexicans, blacks, mixed races, etc you should do something about it or as I've said go somewhere secluded. Because [B]I think[B] you're pretty messed up if the race of someone who commits a crime is what bothers you and not the fact they committed a crime.
But the simple fact is all of this stuff thankfully is going down.
In 1980, Americans suffered 597 violent crimes and 10.2 murders per 100,000 citizens.
The latest numbers show violent crimes at 429 per 100,000 and murders down to 5 per 100,000.
And I would say as a part of AMERICAN culture that that's a step in the right direction. Because I'm bothered by the murder of anyone in this country no matter what race they are.
09-01-2011, 04:54 PM
And it makes a difference when you have common sense in dealing with any individual of any race. It is common sense to be more cautious and guarded in a non-familiar setting when a black man walks up to you than a white man because the odds of the black man robbing, beating or raping you is far higher than the odds of a white man doing it. You've even agreed that all statistics support that, that black men commit crimes at a far higher rate/percentage than white men. Its incomprehensible to me that you feel that should be ignored entirely when actually dealing with people you don't know.
What the cops in LA did to Rodney King was right, and its what i'd expect them to do to me as well in the same situation. When they tell you to stay down, you stay down, not keep trying over and over to get up. But somehow the media decided to try and demonize the cops (and there were black cops doing it too!) and started the race riots and all the damage that ensued, and demonstrated to black people that "its your right to resist arrest, and expect to cash out on a huge lawsuit if anything happens when you do". And I find that totally ridiculous.
Again these are issues with the city black culture, and I'm guessing in Kansas where you say most of the teens have never seen a black person, you don't see much of this. But around any of the big cities, where the majority of the US population lives its quite different than corn + cow fields. Watch the Bill Cosby video above, he's one of the few people to be honest and direct about it.
09-01-2011, 06:29 PM
Apparently, the Black Panthers Leader Samir Shabazz feels it's necessary to teach a group of blacks children "survival tactics" w/ loaded guns and machetes, while telling them to feel free to empty a whole magazine into an already disabled "assailant" (and I use the term "assailant" loosely, given the fact that you are White means you are an "assailant" to a Black Panther). Shabazz was also one of the people caught on video intimidating White voters in Philadelphia 2008, although Eric "my people" Holder decided to not file any charges, even though Shabazz was in possession of a weapon and threatening voters...But I'm just crazy to think there is an element of anti-White sentiment found in society today (as well as the media)
Yep, I'm the bigot. I'm the racist. Had I held a Self-Defense seminar for White people, and someone in the audience yelled "White power", I'd probably be in jail/dead right now, accompanied by a race-riot and 24/7 news coverage telling all about how my entire bloodline of descendants were slave owners and racists. My entire family would be harassed 24/7 by black vandals and mobs, as well as journalists. OUR lives would be ruined! The entire news-media-world would harp on how sorry they were that SOME White people owned slaves an INCREDIBLY LONG TIME AGO (who were sold by their fellow Africans in the first place), and that they were VOLUNTARILY enrolling ALL of their employees in mandatory "sensitivity training". Now if you combine this article with the Congressional Black Caucus' recent violent rhetoric, it almost seems as if the scene is being set for some kind of media-approved, nationwide racial "incident"...doesn't it!?!Originally Posted by Shabazz (Leader of New Black Panthers)
09-01-2011, 07:27 PM
I'd say that is quite the stretch Easy. It has been OBVIOUS from my posts that when talking about "targeting" whites I mean on a large scale. If you are accepting that because hate crimes exist then blacks are targeting whites then because hate crimes exist whites are targeting blacks. My MAIN point throughout this has been don't let the actions of the few dictate what you think about the many. So when he repeatedly said targeting I said show me the majority are doing this. A simple proposition if you aren't going to say "a small amount of blacks or a small amount of whites." I was always talking in big terms and that should have been obvious. You're trying to cherrypick pretty hard with that quote.
What you've said and what Brian has said are two pretty different things. You keep trying to drag him into the "saner" side of the argument. Again, he's said it's "their culture" that blacks are targeting whites, etc. times a million. When you don't use terms like some blacks or some whites then you're talking on a whole scale which is stupid. Like I've said before you're wrong when you make generalizations about whole groups of people. This is what leads idiots to believe things like "all Muslims are terrorists." No, you let the actions of a few dictate your thoughts about the population of people on the whole. And you KNOW that's asinine at best.
Again I've been around a lot of the country so don't make your judgements about me based on where I currently live. That doesn't strengthen your arguments anymore than your issues with me being a teacher. As I already mentioned I've taught in a school that was predominantly black. I'm a little confused why you're so quick to make judgments about someone you don't know based on information like "I teach" and I live in Kansas.
My issue has from the beginning to the end been about Brian making these large scale generalizations and how wrong I think people are always going to be when made. That's the only reason I got involved with the argument. That has been ignored time and time again while you've tried to pull what he's said in line with what you've said. Honestly I really don't think both of you are arguing the same thing no matter how often you try to say you are.
Just because more white people rape than black people doesn't make my statement any more stupid if I say "well I'm telling my daughter to avoid all whites because that's who she is most likely to be raped by."
Again, society is better off when you try to reduce the number of rapists. Society is worse off when you place people in categories based on skin color, blame them for problems based on skin color, etc.
Also I don't know when we decided to start trying to throw a bunch of youtube appeals to emotion in and consider them hard evidence. I have no desire to start looking up white supremacy groups to show you that whites are doing the same thing. And I think the whites who hate blacks are every bit as crazy as the blacks who hate whites.I've never thought the words of lunatics were worth listening to. But if you want to get started try Aryan Nation, National Alliance, Klan groups, and White Revolution. That should provide you with some fun reading.
Then again, most of the people I know who really don't like blacks at all love to tell you how they AREN'T racist. "I hate n******" So you're racist? "Don't you call me racist, I knew a black guy once!"
But I'll try and get out again. This is going nowhere fast and seems to be destined to become a youtube collection for angry white guys.
09-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Also I don't get the whole because they are racist I should be racist argument in the least bit. I don't know where you and Easy are going with it, but you've both argued that way. It seems really childish. Well, he's being racist...but, but, but so are some black people so it's right!
09-01-2011, 08:25 PM
I was raised Methodist, and been to a Catholic and Baptist Church. And they all have had readings from the Old Testament. MANY Christians still buy the basis of God making the world, the story of Noah, etc. This idea that all Christians are only reading and believing the New Testament is demonstrably false.
09-01-2011, 08:52 PM
Actually, those links are to NEWS articles, not youtube videos. There may be a video linked in, but it is an actually news. If you don't care to investigate those links, then I guess our debate would be over. And I challenge you to find a single White Supremacy group that has the support of the national media and Congressional White Caucus (as if that could EVER exist in this "post-racial" society...) and an extremely large base of White people, as the New Black Panther party has in every major inner-city with blacks. The Congressional Black Caucus is not a group of racist redneck hicks, but rather, elected officials that are SUPPOSED to be representing the ENTIRE district, INCLUDING White people, and yet they continuously divide their districts and completely disregard White people!Originally Posted by seccsi
Well now we're getting somewhere! If a statistically significant percentage of the rapist population were White, would you warn your daughter to avoid White areas filled with White people? Because that's the issue here...1.2% of the total population become assault victims in the United States in 2002. The majority (67%) of those offenders were black (leaving Mexicans, Whites, Asians/Orientals, and Others to commit the other 33%)! Out of the 3.38 million assault victims, ~1.11 million were by Whites, and 2.26 million were by blacks (2.036 times more than Whites, yet the black population is only 20% the size of the White population)! THERE WAS ONLY 36.4 MILLION BLACKS IN THIS COUNTRY, and 216.9 million Whites!!! That means 6.2% of the black population were VIOLENT CRIMINALS (2.26 million black assault perpetrators / 36.4 million blacks), while .5% of the White population were violent criminals (1.11 million White assault perpetrators / 216.9 million Whites) .Originally Posted by seccsi
I want the freedom to avoid them until they get their act together!!! They are 12.4 times more violent than Whites, and at least I (unlike traditional racists) attribute it to a violent cultural shift a significant percentage of blacks have been embarking upon, leaving open the possibility of changing our racial climate for the better so that I can feel more comfortable associating with them. Why are you having a hard time understanding this!?! And as far as targeting Whites, I have posted far more evidence to prove my point than the blacks provide to "prove" Whites are "keeping them down". I have MORE than met the burden-of-proof standard as set by THEM, and if you choose to deny the facts, that's your prerogative. But it's just crazy to think that I'm the one that is out of line here.
09-01-2011, 08:58 PM
Except that the CURRENT Muslim text agrees with CURRENT terrorist actions...the bible does not. In fact, the CURRENT bible (current as of the death of Jesus, so it's been a while since the Old Testament was the CURRENT text) says to NOT be a terrorist!!! If a Christian commits terrorist acts, he is acting alone and without the consent of ANYONE IN THE CHURCH, whereas a Muslim has the approval of the entire religion given that he is following the CURRENT text of that same religion (as I have said, their CURRENT text states to stone Homosexuals, among many of the ways women are treated/Shariah law)!Originally Posted by seccsi
09-01-2011, 09:06 PM
While I'm not trying to say this by any means accounts for everything, let's not act as if people have a great history of being fair in terms of what would get reported/called assault. (Two parter). If you're not willing to account biases for at least some of the difference then you're not being intellectually honest.
Cliffs notes: White kids commit crime in front of people for hours almost no one calls the police. Black kids commit same crime in front of people tons of people call the police immediately, including a person who calls in reporting a potential black robbery from seeing three blacks sleeping.
If you think these types of incidents are rare, you're nuts. I know where I'm from with our limited black population a few of them loitering outside the street in backwards caps people are taking notice. You change that to three white kids and ain't a damn person paying attention. Let's face it, sometimes a rich white teen commits a crime and gets away with a "boys will be boys" while the same black kid commits it and it's juvy time.
Let's not forget things like name racism which partially keeps black unemployed leading to more crime. Obviously if we could improve the lot of a lot of these people's lives they would be less likely to make destructive decisions. Basically what I try to do with my "white kids" every day that have had a rough upbringing. Give them an education and the means to not make the same mistakes their parents made. Good luck with yours (being sincere). If you think avoiding all black people based on the actions of some is the best way to raise your kids then go for it. I'll still think it's wrong, but we aren't changing either others minds and like I said it's getting really circular.
09-01-2011, 09:09 PM
Hell they recently made a MOVIE with scenes about Noah's Ark. Evan Almighty. And I don't think all the Christians who saw it were like "where the hell does it talk about this Noah stuff?"
You saying "ah no real Christian would do that" would be exactly like a non-violent Muslim saying "no true Muslim would commit that violence." It's the EXACT same thing. Besides, people are always going to do with the words what they want. They will simply use the book as an excuse for their hate.
Let's see what the Westboro Baptist Church thinks is really said in the Bible:
Still don't believe people can twist the words into whatever the hell they want?
How about this blog from them. http://blogs.sparenot.com/
Clearly they aren't reading what you are reading in the Bible. If you want to say they aren't real Christians go ahead...but many Muslims are going to say the same thing about those behind 9/11.
09-01-2011, 09:29 PM
09-01-2011, 09:35 PM
When I say "Current" Bible, I mean that the Bible is divided amongst two different Covenants between God and the Jews (Old Testament and New Testament), and BOTH are printed in the same bible (the Old Testament is included to provide historical context for the New Testament). The Old Testament was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified, thus beginning the New Testament, which is the CURRENT covenant between us and God. That is why the New Testament is the book to live by, and not the Old Testament. Calling the Westboro Baptist Church...a church...is in itself wrong because nowhere in the Bible does it say what they've said. Anyone can make something up and attribute it to an interpretation of the Bible, and by your definition, be called a Christian terrorist! By your definition, an atheist could be a Christian Terrorist! But the only thing consistent is that no Muslim would be surprised by Muslim violence, since the Quran specifically lays out rules for COMMITING VIOLENCE, and the New Testament does not. Any "Christian" commiting terrorist acts citing the Old Testament might as well be called a Muslim (it would actually be more fitting, since the Quran IS modeled after the Old Testament). It is other people attributing names to describe a person, and for some reason they are called Christians when they are in NO way following Christ's teachings! Why not simply call them crazy?!? Now if a person commited terrorist acts from the NEW TESTAMENT (like a Muslim would do with their Quran in it's entirety), then it would be perfectly acceptable to call them Christian terrorists, since the New Testament is the book we live by.Originally Posted by seccsi
09-01-2011, 09:41 PM
Tell ya what! I'm feeling generous. I'll account for that by 1% (which is, in itself, DOUBLE that for Whites), and blacks are STILL 5.2%! THAT is a cultural problem, and THAT is what I've been getting at this whole time.Originally Posted by seccsi
09-01-2011, 10:24 PM
09-01-2011, 10:33 PM
Ok, I'll just have to back away from this argument. I think you're in loony toon ville on this.
Hint: You can't just denounce all Christian terrorism as "not Christian" and not let Muslims do the same thing. At least not without a significant and obvious amount of bias and hypocrisy.
Double hint: If you look at the WBC you will see they back up most of what they say with interpretations of specific Bible verses. Including many things from the New Testament.
Just like the amendments are open to interpretation so are our books of faith like it or not. They have been interpreted differently by different people for thousands of years.
FWIW I'm thankful most people seem to interpret the Bible as you do, just like I'm thankful most Muslims are peaceful people. I'm not trying to say let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch in this regard anymore than I am with blacks.
09-02-2011, 08:13 AM
09-10-2011, 03:07 AM
I personally don't belong to any organized religion but I think its wrong that no clergy will be at the WTC memorial service because of Multiculturism.
09-30-2011, 05:12 AM
I'm not very religious. I personally find it funny that people deny the science that states we descend from apes, yet have no problem accepting the science that made cell phones, MRI devices, anti-venom, microwaves, etc.
IMHO science has been very right so far, I have no reason to deny my ancestry... even if it's crazy to believe we came from ape sex! I guess the craziest thing of all is to realize just how advanced we are as a species, yet also understand how parasitic we've become. (I've been watching a lot of BBC shows lately)
Getting back to the point, I find it comforting to believe in something greater than myself or mankind, and the fact that people would like to go pray for the dead... I don't think we need to "science" that away. That any person would like to take time out of his or her day to go remember and pray for the dead... it is a very human gesture, and we should allow it.
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01-20-2012, 12:49 PM
01-20-2012, 12:49 PM
01-20-2012, 01:18 PM
It's all good man! Don't even worry about it! I personally left this thread a long time ago. Hope all is going well with you buddy!
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