Hey Rawstrength, I enjoyed the article. I imagine that The prosecution would have been considered as "pro-Republican" and the defense "pro-Democrat." So to me this quote...
"C. Counts Dismissed
Twenty-four counts were dismissed. Nine counts alleging violations relating to Social Security cards were dismissed on the defendants’ motion due to the court’s refusal to interpret “identification document” as listed in 18 U.S.C. § 1546(b) to include Social Security cards. Fifteen other counts were dismissed, including all of the seven related to bringing illegal aliens to the United States for the purpose of commercial advantage and private financial gain, seven of the ten counts related to transporting illegal aliens for the purpose of commercial advantage and private finan-cial gain, and one of the eight counts of causing, inducing, aiding and abetting illegal aliens to possess counterfeit immigration and work authorization documents.
D. The Jury Acquittal
Only twelve of the original thirty-six counts remained when it was time for the jury to deliberate. After seven weeks of trial, the jury deliberated for less than one day and brought back a verdict of “not guilty” on all counts. The company and other defendants were acquitted of all remaining charges, which had alleged that they conspired to recruit and smuggle unauthorized workers to work in poultry processing plants. No fines were imposed and no one went to jail.
After the verdict, jurors said prosecutors were unconvincing. “We felt like the government didn’t properly present its case. There were a lot of loopholes,” said one forty-three-year-old female juror. "
...means that many laws were broken and thanks to the defense, our "American" laws were not upheld.
Where is OSHA? shouldn't they make sure that a business like Tyson is safe for American or Legal immigrants to work in? No human should have to work in unsafe working conditions. Maybe companies like Tyson should follow all laws and regulations.
I really do feel bad for the poor in Mexico. I've been there and seen it. I especially feel bad for the ones who WANT to work. If I were one of them I would do everything I could to get out of poverty too.
For people who want to come here and work there is a Green Card designed for just that. If they decide to stay and live here there's the process of becoming a citizen. If the youth and lazy Americans don't want to certain jobs, then those jobs should be available to immigrants willing to obey OUR laws and get a Green Card. How much money in taxes are being lost to illegal immigration? The solution isn't to simply tax the rich but, to go after the employers helping people get out of paying taxes. Who pays zero taxes? Go after those people for additional revenue.
As far as multiculturalism, if your goal is to reject 235 years of U.S. history and culture by changing it into your vision of Latin hood, then Spanish-only barrios make sense. There is also the option of going back where you came from if this country’s customs, language, religion, and culture offend you.
Most legal immigrants came here for something better and to become an American, not to change America into what they just moved away from.
I think its funny to see how many Black and Hispanic people vote for Democrats and not Republicans. Most illegal immigrants aren't bad people and have good "moral" values and seem, by there values, that they ARE Republicans. My best friend voted for Obama because he's Black. I talked to a mexican guy And he said that the Democrats are the "brown Government" and the Republicans are the "white Government." Thats the furthest thing from the truth.
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. Back then, almost all black Americans were Republicans because since 1854 until today they've been the anti-slavery party , the Republican Party has been for freedom and civil rights for blacks. The Democrat Party has always been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.
It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.
Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose dogs on them. It was a "Republican President" (Eisenhower) who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957. It was was Eisenhower who actually took action to end segregation in the military.
John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights, but, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was still a senator. It was Democrat Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.
In March of 1968, while referring to Dr. King's leaving Memphis, Tennessee, Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.), a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.
It was the Republicans who fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment). Republicans passed the civil rights laws of the 1860s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that was designed to establish a new government system in the Democrat-controlled South, one that was fair to blacks. Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon.
Few black Americans know that it was Republicans who founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities.
Republican Sen. Barry Goldwater, in 1964, wanted to force the Democrats in the South to stop passing discriminatory laws and end the need to continuously enact federal civil rights legislation.
Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, in 1967, because Dr. King's was protesting against the Vietnam War, the Democrat President referred to Dr. King as "that Nigger preacher."
Democrats, the racist "Dixiecrats" did not all migrate to the Republican Party. "Dixiecrats" declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was know as the party for blacks. Today, some of those "Dixiecrats" continue their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
I can go on and on but maybe later.
We had a lot of illegals when unemployment was lower so your laughable stance that we have a high unemployment is just because of illegals is factually wrong. Illegals ARE doing ****ty jobs no one else will do for less. You can try and call that a joke line, but it's true. Are illegals taking great jobs and doing them in great conditions? You're insane to think that. And I don't know what you were going with on the tax thing because I didn't mention anything about that.
I don't have time to prove you wrong on everything because you don't want to believe anything other than what you've said. Very similar to Reagan where I proved that he was big government, you have a stance and you won't bend on it. I don't have time for arguments with close minded people, it doesn't matter what you show them they will continue to keep their head in the sand. By all means be mad at the wrong people, a lot of Americans are.
In the US educational system we have "NO Grades NO Play" we simply need to to adopt this to the "NO contribute i.e. pay taxes NO benefits" the top 1% of American earners pay over half the taxes collected. Everyone needs to pay to get things in return i.e. social security and medicare; and we need to stop bailing out companies that are in debt let them fail and the customers will find another company to work with also we need to stop giving billions away in foreign aid and solving the other countries problems. We have our own problems to solve and no country will pick a fight with us if we have the biggest and most weapons. Revive the Cold War
So tyson employs 11 million illegals? The majority are hires by small businesses - hotels, farms, all sorts of low skilled menial labor positions. Large corporations don't have that many of those sort of positions to go around. And you can use bad logic and words I never stated "illegals caused unenployment" to avoid the reality of the fact that regardless of when unemployment was lower it now when its higher that it would be lower without the illegals.Originally Posted by seccsi
Illegal aliens are no different than squatters. Find an abandoned home in foreclosure. Move into it and live there. Do you somehow have a right to that home then ? No, regardless of whether you now the lawn, reprint it, etc (like the % of aliens who pay taxes or otherwise are helpful in the community). The act of breaking in to the house is the same as breaking in to this country.
This entire country since it's existence has consisted of people coming into it to try and better themselves. America, land of opportunity. This is WHY these people are coming in to the country. Its to make life better for themselves. They are coming in and working the crappiest jobs for the crappiest wages with next to no benefits. Why are you mad at them? They are only coming here to better themselves and because they can find better paying jobs in this country than where they come from.
IF PEOPLE DIDN'T HIRE ILLEGALS THEY WOULDN'T COME. It really is as simple as that. I hear racist people in my neck of the woods say every possible racist thing about these hispanic people and it disgusts me. Everyone is getting mad at the wrong person. They are getting mad at the person who has it the crappiest (the illegal worker) and ignoring the people who have it the best and benefit from it the most (the person exploiting them).
And make no mistake about it these business owners ARE exploiting them. That's why they are hired, because they will do it for less pay and no benefits. Look I'm not happy we have a lot of illegals in this country and I certainly think it is a problem. But I'm not even remotely mad at them for coming into the country to try and better their lot in life. I think a ton of us if we were in their situation would do the same. I was just pointing out the problem and solution is obvious to this problem.
This country was built by people coming here legally, not jumping the border. There is a path to coming here legally available to people of most nations. The fact that some people want to jump the line because their country sucks doesn't give them the right to.
Our federal is constitutionally empowered to do 2 things - protect our borders and regulate interstate commerce. Protecting our borders includes stopping and deporting illegal aliens. The abject failure of our government to accomplish one of its 2 tasks should be what upsets you, not the people hiring them.
As even with your Harvard study, apparently there isn't a concerted purposeful effort by companies to hire illegal aliens or skirt identity verification processes or there would have been real convictions and fines. You want to know who the largest single employer of illegals is? The federal government. They exempt themselves from the same identity verification process that private businesses have to follow.
Your sympathy for the illegals based on the crappy home countries they come from is understandable, however having sympathy for then doesn't mean that because an unskilled non English speaking person manages to cross the Rio Grande that they have more right to be here than an English speaking doctor from that same country who has followed all the legal immigration procedures and is awaiting a visa.
And I'll agree, the solution is obvious - stop the federal government from shirking its responsibility, and have them deal with illegals. Doing anything with employers is fruitless without that. All that it would accomplish if suddenly no illegals were employed would be creating huge ghettos of illegals, with a jump in crime and fraud. They need to be sent home.
The results of that specific case is irrelevant. I merely posted it just to showed your impossible did exist. As to why they won, I mean come on.. Do you have any idea the kind of budget a company like Tyson has? Does no one remember back when that cattle farm sued Oprah and dragged the case out for years and she eventually settled. And this is Oprah who many would consider a very wealthy, influential and powerful individual. The notion that "well they got not guilty so they must not have done it" is ridiculous. If that's the case the I guess OJ really didn't do it
Oh and they know exactly who they are hiring. How else do you explain them advertising seeking employers in Mexico?
The problem is Americans are cheap! They want to pay $1 for there cheeseburgers and the illegal immigrants allow that to happen.
And I would like to see a study on the illegal aliens in the federal government. That may very well be true (it wouldn't surprise me), but it sounds like the kind of right wing talking point like baby factory, corporations don't hire illegals, etc.
You don't imagine you may act like them in a similar situation? You have a crap home or a family to provide for and I say you can make twice as much by going here? It's DIFFICULT to become an American citizen and the process is long. It's not as if you wouldn't have a lot of these people be legal if the process wasn't so complicated.
You're off on the employers thing, if they couldn't find work they wouldn't be here. It really is that simple. You should be as pissed at your average boss man citizen exploiting them as you are at the federal government. About the only person I don't really see getting pissed at is the exploited illegal, but that's what most people do. Illegal immigration costs us money and it is a problem. Which is exactly why I'm mad at the people that make it happen, employers looking to exploit workers. Whether that employer is the government, a corporation, or a mom and pop business is completely irrelevant.
But the budget that tyson has looks like my budget compared to the federal governments... So the dollars spent isn't all that meaningful when its a case vs the feds.
My point all along is people are always mad at the illegal aliens directly which I think is pretty stupid and wasted anger. Personally I'm going to get mad at the businessmen who exploit them and the root of the problem. They are coming here and working miserable jobs in miserable conditions for miserable wages. I have a lot harder time being mad at them than the people who are exploiting them and are the reason they are here.