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  1. Quote Originally Posted by RawStrength View Post
    The results of that specific case is irrelevant. I merely posted it just to showed your impossible did exist. As to why they won, I mean come on.. Do you have any idea the kind of budget a company like Tyson has?
    Oh, some corporations do have them, but the majority are in small businesses (some of which are corporations as well, I mean I owned a corporation myself, a whopping 2 of us working for it, I think total gross income over 6 years was under 40k).

    But the budget that tyson has looks like my budget compared to the federal governments... So the dollars spent isn't all that meaningful when its a case vs the feds.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    You're shifting the goalposts, I never stated the federal government wasn't a problem or a major player. The fact of the matter is you wouldn't have an illegal alien problem if illegal aliens couldn't find work. Whether it's in the government, big business or small business the situation doesn't change. I don't get mad at the person doing crappy jobs for crappy wages in a crappy work environment. I also fully disagree that a lot of Americans are jumping at the chance to do things like pick lettuce. I'm not mad at the workers, they are taking advantage of the better opportunities provided.

    You don't imagine you may act like them in a similar situation. You have a crap home or a family to provide for and I say you can make twice as much by going here? It's DIFFICULT to become an American citizen and the process is long. It's not as if you wouldn't have a lot of these people be legal if the process wasn't so long.

    You're off on the employers thing, if they couldn't find work they wouldn't be here. It really is that simple. You should be as pissed at your average boss man citizen exploiting them as you are at the federal government. About the only person I don't really see getting pissed at is the illegal, but that's what most people do. Excuse me, non English speaking baby factory.
    Do you honestly believe the 12+ million illegals would pack up and go home if nobody hired them? Thats pretty naive. And regardless of your feeling on who is responsible for stopping illegal aliens, its a clearly delineated portion of the Constitution that the federal government is responsible to "protect each of them against invasion" (the states is what it refers to). It is an invasion, although a relatively slow one

    http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2008.pdf
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I never categorized a race as such, I used federal government statistics on birth rates. And I have no prejudices against any person of any race that has a right to be in this country. I'm married to a Hispanic woman, and have a rainbow of friends.

    But the border jumpers that pick lettuce do cause damage, huge damage. Right now estimates are something over 12 million illegals here. With no access to social security, food stamps, etc, its reasonable to assume the majority are working. Unemployment is around 14 million people. Still they are no harm?

    Their children born here are citizens (and recall, the constitutional amendment for that was designed so that when slaves were given rights their children became citizens) which is fine, other than the occurrence of pregnant women border hopping then getting on welfare, food stamps, etc in the child's name after they are born. What's worst about these kids though is that they aren't raised as or to be Americans, the are raised as Mexicans living in America. And that's wrong.


    Great point.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Do you honestly believe the 12+ million illegals would pack up and go home if nobody hired them? Thats pretty naive. And regardless of your feeling on who is responsible for stopping illegal aliens, its a clearly delineated portion of the Constitution that the federal government is responsible to "protect each of them against invasion" (the states is what it refers to). It is an invasion, although a relatively slow one

    http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...ll_pe_2008.pdf
    If they couldn't find work then yes. Either way you know it would end if they couldn't find jobs. The ONLY reason they come into the country is because life is better for them here or they think it will be. The exact same reason anyone ever immigrated to a country. And plenty of people are willing to hire (exploit) them here. I don't really see how you can call it an invasion when so many people are welcoming them with open arms. You don't think corporations and businesses like hiring illegals? Of course they do. You can blame it on the government all you want (and they are a huge problem), but the fact of the matter is many businesses are willingly breaking the law to hire them. It STILL blows my mind that you thought big businesses aren't hiring them. That's just factually incorrect.

    My point all along is people are always mad at the illegal aliens directly which I think is pretty stupid and wasted anger. Personally I'm going to get mad at the businessmen who exploit them and the root of the problem. They are coming here and working miserable jobs in miserable conditions for miserable wages. I have a lot harder time being mad at them than the people who are exploiting them and are the reason they are here.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    If they couldn't find work then yes. Either way you know it would end if they couldn't find jobs. The ONLY reason they come into the country is because life is better for them here or they think it will be. The exact same reason anyone ever immigrated to a country. And plenty of people are willing to hire (exploit) them here. I don't really see how you can call it an invasion when so many people are welcoming them with open arms. You don't think corporations and businesses like hiring illegals? Of course they do. You can blame it on the government all you want (and they are a huge problem), but the fact of the matter is many businesses are willingly breaking the law to hire them. It STILL blows my mind that you thought big businesses aren't hiring them. That's just factually incorrect.

    My point all along is people are always mad at the illegal aliens directly which I think is pretty stupid and wasted anger. Personally I'm going to get mad at the businessmen who exploit them and the root of the problem. They are coming here and working miserable jobs in miserable conditions for miserable wages. I have a lot harder time being mad at them than the people who are exploiting them and are the reason they are here.
    Well stated.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    If they couldn't find work then yes. Either way you know it would end if they couldn't find jobs. The ONLY reason they come into the country is because life is better for them here or they think it will be. The exact same reason anyone ever immigrated to a country.
    And they've already proven that through protests etc that they now believe they fully have as much right to be here as a citizen does. You seriously are missing something if you think that just above poverty level line people will jump to heading back to their home country as soon as jobs were to disappear. Most of them wouldn't even have the financial resources to do so, and wouldn't be willing to give up "their home".

    It likely would significantly slow or stop new illegals from coming in, I'll give you that.


    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    It STILL blows my mind that you thought big businesses aren't hiring them. That's just factually incorrect.
    If its a fact, show some proof. I'm doubting you can, as if you could, the Feds would have that same proof, and prosecute. The feds didn't manage to successfully litigate Tyson most likely because they couldn't prove that Tyson purposefully and willfully hired them as illegals. And sure Walmart had illegals doing floor service but they weren't Walmart employees, they had a contracted cleaning service (small businesses again) who hired the illegals.


    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    My point all along is people are always mad at the illegal aliens directly which I think is pretty stupid and wasted anger. Personally I'm going to get mad at the businessmen who exploit them and the root of the problem. They are coming here and working miserable jobs in miserable conditions for miserable wages. I have a lot harder time being mad at them than the people who are exploiting them and are the reason they are here.
    I'm not mad at the illegals, just they should go home, and if they want to live here follow the legal immigration procedure. I'm all for anyone who immigrates here legally, that is what made America great. Nobody deserves a free pass for cutting in line.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    And they've already proven that through protests etc that they now believe they fully have as much right to be here as a citizen does. You seriously are missing something if you think that just above poverty level line people will jump to heading back to their home country as soon as jobs were to disappear. Most of them wouldn't even have the financial resources to do so, and wouldn't be willing to give up "their home".

    It likely would significantly slow or stop new illegals from coming in, I'll give you that.




    If its a fact, show some proof. I'm doubting you can, as if you could, the Feds would have that same proof, and prosecute. The feds didn't manage to successfully litigate Tyson most likely because they couldn't prove that Tyson purposefully and willfully hired them as illegals. And sure Walmart had illegals doing floor service but they weren't Walmart employees, they had a contracted cleaning service (small businesses again) who hired the illegals.

    I'm not mad at the illegals, just they should go home, and if they want to live here follow the legal immigration procedure. I'm all for anyone who immigrates here legally, that is what made America great. Nobody deserves a free pass for cutting in line.
    Well the argument is what to do about the problem. You might not get everyone going home, but you've essentially stopped the problem just by making sure they don't have jobs.

    As for the source well we know about Tyson, apparently you're buying Wal-Mart's "claims" that they didn't know (which worked out nicely for them), and just from google searching add ifco, chipolte, wendy's, abercrombie, gebber's farms to the list. And that was on the first site I looked. I'm sure if I dug the laundry list of big companies getting in trouble would continue.

    The thing is businesses have a big incentive to hire illegals. It saves them large amounts of money. As for them going home, well again the process for becoming a citizen is pretty muddled at best. If I told you you needed to wait 7 years to provide for your family a much better income you'd wait? Especially if you knew getting here you could get a much better paying job and your kids would have access to better schools? I'm doubting it. Just like the businesses they have a large incentive to come here.

    I just don't know why the first thing I hear people around here say is "damn beaners no speaking english bastards coming over here!" They are mad at the workers. It seems crazy to me to get mad at the exploited worker working crap jobs for crap pay and not at the people exploiting them. I'm not glad people come into the country illegally. But I know and understand why they do and I know it's not a golden ticket for most of them. It isn't as if illegals are coming over here and taking high quality jobs. I just place my anger at the employers exploiting them who are the ones creating the problem. Without them you wouldn't have a problem as you admitted.

  8. If employers want to hire immigrants for cheap labor, they can. There's a legal way to do it. There's an employer sponsored green card. The whole process involves three steps, Labor Certification Application, Immigrant Petition and Adjustment of Status. The average time it takes to get one of these is just under 2 years. Many people are jumping through hoops to get one and get here legally.

    Again, they can go home and not be disrespectful to us or their own countrymen and get in line. I don't care if the ones going home are hard workers, the legal ones work just as hard and deserve to be here.

    I think it should be black and white for employers of every size. Did you illegally hire someone? Yes- well, you just lost your contractors/business license! ---

  9. Funny how we do this illegal thing so much.

    Think about the illegal workers here in New York. I work as a cater waiter, I get paid about $25 an hour and i'm a w-9 employee. So a lot of the guys I work with are illegal. Russians, Europeans, they can only find work as waiters. They are exploited, they don't pay taxes, and they don't complain cause at least it's money.

    Closing the Mexican border wont stop them from coming in from Cuba, Europe, Canada or any other way illegals will get in. Do we have a serious Mexican illegal problem, yes, but why bicker about it? The question is how to solve it, instead of arguing about it.

    I cant say blame the illegals, it is in man's nature to find better situations.
    I can't say blame the employers, why would I pay legal citizens more when none of my competitors do? Then I'd have to raise prices, and maybe I'd lose business.

    I say blame the government that doesn't regulate the system. This 'close the border' thing is a superstition. If they really want to get in, they will.

    I say regulate the jobs, if we could collect taxes as well as we do, we can make employers show their employees are legal, I think we've already implemented something like this.

    I say keep watch over the border, but don't try to build a wall or something dumb. They've been experimenting with video game technology to help secure the border through lasers, and infra-red optics. That'll work.

    I say find a better solution for people that get caught, jail isnt really doing anything for anybody. Find out what they were doing here, who they were working for, etc. Educate them on how to legally cross the border and continue working at the same company.

    I say make immigration more difficult unless the family coming can immediately make a positive contribution to the economy.

    And I say close loopholes that allow businesses to do evil **** and get away with it. We have congressional committees, agencies, and offices up the ass, why can't we have one to ensure corporate and government fiscal, legal, and moral responsibility or something?

  10. I think multiculturalism is very much strengthening our country. I really believe America has always been multicultural. We are a very young country, and I think we're developing our own culture of hospitality, understanding, and strength.

    To echo the words of Warren Buffet, "we're the country that got it right."

    I don't think you can acknowledge American culture without also acknowledging the differences in black and white culture. Blacks and whites have been two entirely different people for a long time. The race relations have been moving pretty slowly, but I think as a people, our nation is just now getting over skin color. We still hear about the nonsense that goes on i.e. Californian principal slash white supremacist book writer. Racists at the Tea Party protests. Honestly I'll say the black image has improved as recently as Obama taking office. He generated a lot of self-respect among black people...they finally made it!

    I live in Manhattan, and I always notice the Jewish community out here. I can't help but admire how connected they all seem for some reason. Its Jewish love, I guess. And I think about the positive effects it has on our communities out here, seeing them keep it in the family, keep it together.

    Mexicans have always been family oriented. I also believe they very much advocate hard work, and have generally republican views. I think thats cool.

    Whites have so much friggin culture as it is. Name anything and we can all agree a white guy from America has done it. And thats pretty awesome.

    And were not even taking into account Asians, European-Americans, Muslims, South America, etc. We all give something to this country to make it unique. Here it doesn't matter if you are straight, gay, black, white, christian, buddhist, man, woman, ANYTHING! We all have the same freedoms here, and I think that is why we are USA.

    Yes we are multicultural, but we are also competitive and live in the best free trade market there is. So here I think it works.

  11. You really think our nation is "getting over skin color" because Obama is in office?!? First of all, America is NOT getting over race relations! I'm only 25, and I have seen racial relations VERY QUICKLY deteriorating throughout society, ESPECIALLY since Obama took office. Hell, I'm becoming very racist, and I'm okay with it. I don't wish ANYBODY harm, but I would much prefer if everybody who wasn't white just left me alone to be with my culture in OUR OWN neighborhoods (keeping in mind I've almost died twice at the hands of blacks, ending up in the hospital each time). I'm all for segregation, because as we all see now (whether we want to admit it or not) our cultures just don't mix. Now my scars serve as a reminder of what it's like to be abandoned by your black "friends" to die when you needed them the most. I still remember watching my "friends" walk away from me as I was being choked out with barbed wire by 5 black guys (after they beat the **** out of me and told my "friends" to leave). Remember when Obama said those cops (white) acted "stupidly"? Hmmm, I have yet to hear a peep from him over racial "flash mobs", the over 1,000,000 white hate-crime victims last year (only 100,000 blacks were victims of hate-crimes last year), no hate crime in Carter Strange's case, no hate crime in the Christopher Newsom tragedy, no hate crimes in the savage beatings in Milwaukee on the 4th of July by white fireworks-watchers by dozens of blacks, you've got Eric "my people" Holder that refuses to press Hate-Crime charges when they are CLEARLY deserved, or even investigate the Black Panthers for voter intimidation in Philadelphia and elsewhere, and now we're really debating giving ILLEGALS legality for the simple reason that they succeeded in breaking the law?!? This is just ****ing crazy!

    First of all, by saying that illegals work for a wage we won't work for is advocating for a form of slavery. Once they're here, working for a pittance, how can they leave if they can't afford to? They are then trapped into doing that job in the same location, all because you were unwilling to send them home where they could succeed and come here legally, allowing them to get BETTER jobs. And it used to be that our children did these jobs to give them a work ethic, and introduce them to the way life in America is. You work to provide for the things you want. Our children WILL do these jobs!

    Second, they get ALL of the welfare services provided to our LEGAL citizens as safety nets, without actually contributing ANYTHING. How would you feel if you went to the Emergency Room with seizures and had to wait behind an illegal with an ear ache? It happened to me! And the worst part is, I just know I had to pay for his visit as well, because we all know he couldn't pay (once again, taxpayers picking up the tab)

    Third, how many of these illegals are criminals? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE! Many of them end up stealing someone's identity (boy wouldn't it be great if you were one of their victims), not to mention the Al-Qaeda training manuals we've found on the border. Pretty obvious THEY shouldn't be here!

    Fourth, as a Conservative, I am MORE THAN WILLING to work for FREE if my salary went to building that ****ing fence and sending them home.

    Fifth, we'd win the War on Drugs if the Cartels couldn't send their foot-soldiers here to sell their drugs to our kids. Not to mention the illegal alien slave-trade operated by the cartels in our neighborhoods, where dozens of illegals are held against their will in a "stash house" until they can be farmed off to the highest bidder/ransom. Yep, sure sounds compassionate to advocate for that!

    Sixth, have you ever driven behind an illegal who thinks our speed limits are in km/h? Pretty frustrating out here in SoCal!

    Seventh, can we be sure an illegal bears allegiance to this country? If we had to go to war with Mexico, could we be sure that an illegal would fight for this country, when they weren't even willing to follow it's most basic laws of citizenship in the first place? That's like expecting an illegal German to fight for America against Germany in WWII! I wouldn't count on it, although I'm sure there are many that would.

    EasyEJL, once again, we are of one mind man! I say kill 'em all. That'll get the message across. And one more thing to leave you all with before I part ways.

    If we give millions of illegals amnesty, they can then vote. Considering 69.5 million people voted for the Democrat in 2008, I believe it would be fair to say that the majority of these illegals would also vote for the people that fought to give them amnesty and all this free stuff (the Democrats). THAT is a large voter base, which really explains why all the liberals are in such a rush to legitimize these CRIMINALS!!! Keep in mind that if amnesty ever happens, they will then be legally able to sponsor their ENTIRE families back home to come here legally, thus increasing the voter base for the Democrats. Whites/Blacks/Asians/Indians/Smurfs/etc. would INSTANTLY, OVERNIGHT lose their representation due to being massively outnumbered by Mexicans. And the Republicans would sell us out as well just to get in on the action! Anywho, just some thoughts!
    --Brian
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    You really think our nation is "getting over skin color" because Obama is in office?!? First of all, America is NOT getting over race relations! I'm only 25, and I have seen racial relations VERY QUICKLY deteriorating throughout society, ESPECIALLY since Obama took office. Hell, I'm becoming very racist, and I'm okay with it. I don't wish ANYBODY harm, but I would much prefer if everybody who wasn't white just left me alone to be with my culture in OUR OWN neighborhoods (keeping in mind I've almost died twice at the hands of blacks, ending up in the hospital each time). I'm all for segregation, because as we all see now (whether we want to admit it or not) our cultures just don't mix. Now my scars serve as a reminder of what it's like to be abandoned by your black "friends" to die when you needed them the most. I still remember watching my "friends" walk away from me as I was being choked out with barbed wire by 5 black guys (after they beat the **** out of me and told my "friends" to leave). Remember when Obama said those cops (white) acted "stupidly"? Hmmm, I have yet to hear a peep from him over racial "flash mobs", the over 1,000,000 white hate-crime victims last year (only 100,000 blacks were victims of hate-crimes last year), no hate crime in Carter Strange's case, no hate crime in the Christopher Newsom tragedy, no hate crimes in the savage beatings in Milwaukee on the 4th of July by white fireworks-watchers by dozens of blacks, you've got Eric "my people" Holder that refuses to press Hate-Crime charges when they are CLEARLY deserved, or even investigate the Black Panthers for voter intimidation in Philadelphia and elsewhere, and now we're really debating giving ILLEGALS legality for the simple reason that they succeeded in breaking the law?!? This is just ****ing crazy!

    First of all, by saying that illegals work for a wage we won't work for is advocating for a form of slavery. Once they're here, working for a pittance, how can they leave if they can't afford to? They are then trapped into doing that job in the same location, all because you were unwilling to send them home where they could succeed and come here legally, allowing them to get BETTER jobs. And it used to be that our children did these jobs to give them a work ethic, and introduce them to the way life in America is. You work to provide for the things you want. Our children WILL do these jobs!

    Second, they get ALL of the welfare services provided to our LEGAL citizens as safety nets, without actually contributing ANYTHING. How would you feel if you went to the Emergency Room with seizures and had to wait behind an illegal with an ear ache? It happened to me! And the worst part is, I just know I had to pay for his visit as well, because we all know he couldn't pay (once again, taxpayers picking up the tab)

    Third, how many of these illegals are criminals? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE! Many of them end up stealing someone's identity (boy wouldn't it be great if you were one of their victims), not to mention the Al-Qaeda training manuals we've found on the border. Pretty obvious THEY shouldn't be here!

    Fourth, as a Conservative, I am MORE THAN WILLING to work for FREE if my salary went to building that ****ing fence and sending them home.

    Fifth, we'd win the War on Drugs if the Cartels couldn't send their foot-soldiers here to sell their drugs to our kids. Not to mention the illegal alien slave-trade operated by the cartels in our neighborhoods, where dozens of illegals are held against their will in a "stash house" until they can be farmed off to the highest bidder/ransom. Yep, sure sounds compassionate to advocate for that!

    Sixth, have you ever driven behind an illegal who thinks our speed limits are in km/h? Pretty frustrating out here in SoCal!

    Seventh, can we be sure an illegal bears allegiance to this country? If we had to go to war with Mexico, could we be sure that an illegal would fight for this country, when they weren't even willing to follow it's most basic laws of citizenship in the first place? That's like expecting an illegal German to fight for America against Germany in WWII! I wouldn't count on it, although I'm sure there are many that would.

    EasyEJL, once again, we are of one mind man! I say kill 'em all. That'll get the message across. And one more thing to leave you all with before I part ways.

    If we give millions of illegals amnesty, they can then vote. Considering 69.5 million people voted for the Democrat in 2008, I believe it would be fair to say that the majority of these illegals would also vote for the people that fought to give them amnesty and all this free stuff (the Democrats). THAT is a large voter base, which really explains why all the liberals are in such a rush to legitimize these CRIMINALS!!! Keep in mind that if amnesty ever happens, they will then be legally able to sponsor their ENTIRE families back home to come here legally, thus increasing the voter base for the Democrats. Whites/Blacks/Asians/Indians/Smurfs/etc. would INSTANTLY, OVERNIGHT lose their representation due to being massively outnumbered by Mexicans. And the Republicans would sell us out as well just to get in on the action! Anywho, just some thoughts!
    --Brian
    I'm sorry for your problems and you probably didn't deserve the beating you got but the way you run your mouth you probably asked for it.

  13. So out of all that I wrote, the only thing you have to say is a personal attack on me! You know it's funny, every time I've told that story, it was always the blacks that came out with a response like that (almost as if they didn't care about a 15-year old White boy almost getting beaten to death in a Hate Crime...weird huh). Are you black? I really don't recall attacking you personally, and yet you continue to do so to me, simply for having debates with you. If you can find where I attacked YOU (not your ideas), I'll apologize if that's what you're going for here (I have been battling an Oxycontin addiction due to my disability, so my memory is usually pretty fuzzy, even the day after something happens). Otherwise, once again, you've proven the type of man you are. 'Til next time!
    --Brian

  14. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    So out of all that I wrote, the only thing you have to say is a personal attack on me! You know it's funny, every time I've told that story, it was always the blacks that came out with a response like that (almost as if they didn't care about a 15-year old White boy almost getting beaten to death in a Hate Crime...weird huh). Are you black? I really don't recall attacking you personally, and yet you continue to do so to me, simply for having debates with you. If you can find where I attacked YOU (not your ideas), I'll apologize if that's what you're going for here (I have been battling an Oxycontin addiction due to my disability, so my memory is usually pretty fuzzy, even the day after something happens). Otherwise, once again, you've proven the type of man you are. 'Til next time!
    --Brian
    I'm not sure where I ever made a personal attack on you and I don't condone violence, however, it appears you wish to be felt sorry for because the "black heathens" attacked you and you were just minding your own business, right?. I have lost relatives to hate crimes where just because they were black, they were killed. I have also seen situations where if you look for trouble, it finds you. I don't know the particulars of your situation but, I can tell you if you were a friend of mine, I wouldn't have left.

    I can understand why you feel the way you do as a result of what happened to you but for you to paint everyone with a broad brush as a result of it is BS. If you wish to stay segregated then do so, I on the other hand choose to live in the real world where people find a way to move past these things and find like minded people of all races and creeds that are willing to try to find solutions. Simple fact, we're not going anywhere.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Fastone
    I'm not sure where I ever made a personal attack on you and I don't condone violence, however, it appears you wish to be felt sorry for because the "black heathens" attacked you and you were just minding your own business, right?. I have lost relatives to hate crimes where just because they were black, they were killed. I have also seen situations where if you look for trouble, it finds you. I don't know the particulars of your situation but, I can tell you if you were a friend of mine, I wouldn't have left.

    I can understand why you feel the way you do as a result of what happened to you but for you to paint everyone with a broad brush as a result of it is BS. If you wish to stay segregated then do so, I on the other hand choose to live in the real world where people find a way to move past these things and find like minded people of all races and creeds that are willing to try to find solutions. Simple fact, we're not going anywhere.
    Whatever the differences are between us (which I'm really not even sure why we always have to go this route), I need to make a few things clear that were a little misty in my last posts. I am not looking for sympathy, but rather, trying to shed some insight into the factors that formed my personal opinions today. Hell, these events happened 10 years ago when I was just a child. If I wanted sympathy, I would have gone into MUCH more detail about the things they did to me (which I will NEVER do). And I am truly sorry for your losses as well, for as I have said, I wish NOBODY any kind of harm. These senseless acts of violence are extremely disappointing and never fail to bring me to tears. So again, really, I am truly sorry for your loss.

    As far as painting everyone with a broad brush being BS, let me explain. Racial profiling is simply an expression of our instincts based on statistical analysis (everyone does it). I've had some very bad experiences with black people, as such, I don't trust black people. Not to say I don't have black friends (because I do), but I always make sure to have an exit strategy in case things go bad, and keep up with my situational awareness. It's just the way things have become for me. That's why I've been bulking up, learning boxing, and Shorinji-Kempo Karate, in addition to my military experience. It's all instinctual. When I said that I want to be able to live in a white neighborhood, I was not referring to "kicking the black people out" (so-to speak). I was simply referring to the fact that it is illegal to segregate a neighborhood from its inception, but yet black people always seem to have their own neighborhoods (as do asians and mexicans). Why can't whites? If I wanted to start an all-white school or an all-white neighborhood, I legally could not. If you look here: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-...-calif-county/, you will see what I'm talking about. To quote that article:
    "Marin County, the affluent Bay Area community outside of San Francisco, is too white, says the Feds. According to data culled from the recent census, Marin County contains seven of the 10 whitest cities in the Bay Area. And to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), thatís a problem."
    Seems Whites are not allowed to live with their own people, raising their children in White culture in today's society. Being White is frowned upon. Hell, when you go to college as a White guy, YOU are the only one required to "diversify". There is all kinds of black-this, or asian-that, or lesbian-underwater-basket-weaving, etc. But NEVER is there anything about European culture for the other races to learn about MY culture. I am the ONLY race that is required to "diversify".

    I never stated that I think any LEGAL American citizen should leave, or be forced to live in certain areas, etc. Only that EVERYBODY should be given the same opportunity to live in One-Race neighborhoods, and send their children to One-Race schools, if they so choose! Why is that frowned upon? Why should we be FORCED to mingle with other cultures if we don't want to?

    Me and you need to get on better terms as far as interacting on this website goes. Whatever happened in the past, is now in the past as far as I'm concerned. I'm tired of these retarded back-and-forths between the two of us, all because we had some sort of scuffle in the past.
    --Brian

  16. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Whatever the differences are between us (which I'm really not even sure why we always have to go this route), I need to make a few things clear that were a little misty in my last posts. I am not looking for sympathy, but rather, trying to shed some insight into the factors that formed my personal opinions today. Hell, these events happened 10 years ago when I was just a child. If I wanted sympathy, I would have gone into MUCH more detail about the things they did to me (which I will NEVER do). And I am truly sorry for your losses as well, for as I have said, I wish NOBODY any kind of harm. These senseless acts of violence are extremely disappointing and never fail to bring me to tears. So again, really, I am truly sorry for your loss.

    As far as painting everyone with a broad brush being BS, let me explain. Racial profiling is simply an expression of our instincts based on statistical analysis (everyone does it). I've had some very bad experiences with black people, as such, I don't trust black people. Not to say I don't have black friends (because I do), but I always make sure to have an exit strategy in case things go bad, and keep up with my situational awareness. It's just the way things have become for me. That's why I've been bulking up, learning boxing, and Shorinji-Kempo Karate, in addition to my military experience. It's all instinctual. When I said that I want to be able to live in a white neighborhood, I was not referring to "kicking the black people out" (so-to speak). I was simply referring to the fact that it is illegal to segregate a neighborhood from its inception, but yet black people always seem to have their own neighborhoods (as do asians and mexicans). Why can't whites? If I wanted to start an all-white school or an all-white neighborhood, I legally could not. If you look here: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-...-calif-county/, you will see what I'm talking about. To quote that article:
    "Marin County, the affluent Bay Area community outside of San Francisco, is too white, says the Feds. According to data culled from the recent census, Marin County contains seven of the 10 whitest cities in the Bay Area. And to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), that’s a problem."
    Seems Whites are not allowed to live with their own people, raising their children in White culture in today's society. Being White is frowned upon. Hell, when you go to college as a White guy, YOU are the only one required to "diversify". There is all kinds of black-this, or asian-that, or lesbian-underwater-basket-weaving, etc. But NEVER is there anything about European culture for the other races to learn about MY culture. I am the ONLY race that is required to "diversify".

    I never stated that I think any LEGAL American citizen should leave, or be forced to live in certain areas, etc. Only that EVERYBODY should be given the same opportunity to live in One-Race neighborhoods, and send their children to One-Race schools, if they so choose! Why is that frowned upon? Why should we be FORCED to mingle with other cultures if we don't want to?

    Me and you need to get on better terms as far as interacting on this website goes. Whatever happened in the past, is now in the past as far as I'm concerned. I'm tired of these retarded back-and-forths between the two of us, all because we had some sort of scuffle in the past.
    --Brian
    That's cool with me but one thing I would point out is the fact all black neighborhoods as well as others is a direct result of people not being able to live where they might have chosen. I've heard the statement when will there be a white history month which is a interesting question because the fact is there are 11 of them from March through January. Another fact is somehow average folks have to get past the Fox News|MSNBC dichotomy and realize that in a lot of ways were in the same boat and the true enemy is the fringes of our society and the folks who have everything who by creating and continuing the separation are duh! winning., just my .02

  17. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    I never stated that I think any LEGAL American citizen should leave, or be forced to live in certain areas, etc. Only that EVERYBODY should be given the same opportunity to live in One-Race neighborhoods, and send their children to One-Race schools, if they so choose! Why is that frowned upon? Why should we be FORCED to mingle with other cultures if we don't want to?
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  18. Are you really referring to me as Hitler? I'm not even really sure how to reply to that, to be honest! Just a few differences between me and Hitler:
    1. My thoughts and actions do not affect ANYBODY else (I am saying that I want to be able to MOVE to an all-white neighborhood, not "purify" my current neighborhood)
    2. I don't want to hurt anybody (no explanation needed)
    3. I believe everybody has an equal right to exist, but we also have a right to exist SEPARATELY if we so choose (I don't care much for other cultures, so why am I forced to accept them?)

    Case in point. I don't believe in abortion, yet I am forced to fund it! Is that fair? Nope, but that's multi-culturalism at its finest. Multiculturalism has only served to diminish European culture and traditional family values in America, and I don't much care for it. Yet, I am shunned at the mere mention that I shouldn't be forced to be exposed to it. Why in America is it wrong to cling to your own culture? Oh wait, it's not...unless you're white. Let's see, here's some rap lyrics that should drive my point home:

    "Now I'm black but black people trip 'cause white people
    like me; white people like me I but don't like them. . . . I don't
    hate whites, I just gotta death wish for mother****ers that ain't
    right"; --"Race War"; Ice-T, Home Invasion, 1993, Priority Records,
    Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom

    "To all my Universal Soldier's: stay at attention while
    I strategize an invasion; the mission be assassination, snipers
    hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world;
    my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage. . . .
    see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. . . . lyrical
    specialist, underworld terrorist. . . . keep the unity thick like
    mud. . . . I pulling out gats , launching deadly attacks"; --"Blood
    for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang
    Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom


    "Like my niggas from South Central Los Angeles they
    found that they couldn't handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad,
    with the Essays up, and nigga, it's time to rob and mob and break the
    white man off something lovely"; --"The Day the Niggaz Took Over"; Dr
    Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in
    1993

    Multiculturalism at its finest right! There are many, many more examples out there, but that's all I care to find right now. You all know the extent of what I'm talking about. And this news story sums it all up: http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp. Quick summary:

    Christopher Newsom (23 years old) and his girlfriend Channon Christian (21 years old) were carjacked, and then tortured heinously. Christopher was sodomized repeatedly, they cut off his penis, set him on fire, and repeatedly shot him while his girlfriend was forced to watch. They then raped/sodomized her for 4 days, then cut off her breasts, poured bleach down her throat/vagina (all while alive), and suffocated her to death with a plastic bag (after putting her in the trash can to die, of course). Apparently, this story (along with MANY others) weren't sensational enough for ANY of the major news outlets to talk about, nor did any of the perpetrators receive hate-crime charges. Here's a quote as to how bad Channon sufferred:

    "Channon's death came only after hours of sexual torture, medical examiner Mileusnic-Polchan testified. Channon suffered horrific injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," possibly a broken chair leg, the doctor testified. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while Channon was alive, the forensic expert said. She was then "hog-tied," with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered tightly with a small trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets. Channon died slowly, suffocating, the medical examiner said": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders...stopher_Newsom

    How is that not a hate crime. Apparently, it wasn't sensational enough of a story for any of the national news agencies to cover the story. Could it be because they were White victims? In what world is a double rape/sodomy/torture/murder story not "news worthy"? We all know had it been White-on-Black, it would have been WORLD WIDE NEWS! It's "open-season" on White folks these days, and until minorities lend a voice to put an end to this ****, and start voicing some ****ing concern when WHITE people get violated like this (EVERY white on black crime is televised nationwide though, and decried by Whites), it becomes my duty to remove myself and my family from the situation all together (as much as possible). And if that makes me Hitler, than that makes you an idiot.
    --Brian

  19. I don't literally think you're Hitler as apparently you live in California. I have no desire to argue your "points" because I'm so far away from you in that thinking. You clearly don't like people who are different from you and I don't know what it's like to go through life with that viewpoint. I imagine it's horrible. It's going to be a bitch if you have a daughter who falls for a black guy or a son who turns out gay.

    And FWIW, your "examples" of rap lyrics and an awful crime lend no fire to your argument at all as it's just as easy to find whites saying terrible things and doing terrible things. Do I really need to list a bunch of white serial killers, OKC bombers, Columbine killers, etc. times a million? Nah because I don't view white people as inherently evil nor do I view blacks, hispanics, or anyone else as inherently evil. Being able to "point" at bad stuff people have done doesn't help at all unless you had proof that no white people ever did anything wrong.

    Have fun at your clan meetings, go move to a state where you can live far away from other people in a rural area where all these races that are out to "get you" will leave you alone.

  20. Wow man you beat me to it. It would be very easy to go on Aryan sites and quote some of the things on there that are more hateful than anything you've posted here. The other thing is criminal torture has no color, it's inhuman in any shape, form or creed that it comes in.

    As I said before Brian, the experiences you have had obviously have really negatively affected you which is understandable however, if you continue to live with those things, you may end up with the terrible surprise of one of your own doing you horribly wrong. There are plenty of places you can go to live where people think just like you but hate is all consuming, I hope you find what you're looking for or better yet find some peace in your life.

  21. has anyone noticed that the news doesnt give much attention to the "flash robs" and flash mobs" that are going on?? from all footage i have been able to find it seems that these are all crimes done by blacks...if they were white they would be all over the news...espcially if the videos showed shown a black man get pulled out of his car while driving to get beaten down by white kids...but since it isnt...they dont show it...its just crazy to me...i guess the media has to filter the nation and world from the massive ignorance rising...plus how can blacks be made out to always be the victims if they are in fact the complete opposite.

  22. Actually, the rap lyrics and the crime do lend fire to my argument, due to the fact that society doesn't even see them as important enough to discuss them. Rodney king (horrible incident) was broadcast worldwide, yet this tragedy (which happened in 2007) never made it out of the local news! Why do you think that is? THAT is the point I'm getting at. If you listed off a bunch of white serial killers (most of which do not kill minorities), the OKC bomber (attacked the Government), Columbine killers (attacked bullies), etc., they were not TARGETING blacks/mexicans/whatever. MY examples are clearly illustrating minorities TARGETING Whites!!! That's my point! It has become POPULAR in society to HATE White people aggressively! I don't hate everybody! When I go out in public, I have every intention of mingling with other cultures. But for an example: if I want Mexican food, I go to a Mexican restaurant. I do NOT, however, have a Mexican come to my house, and FORCE me to eat WHATEVER it is they decide to make. THAT is the brand of multiculturalism that is going around in America today, and I don't like it. THAT is my point. I'm not in the Clan, nor do I much care for the clan/NS due to the fact that they (many of them anyways) are VIOLENT and SOCIALIST. TWO things that I am NOT. I LOVE our country, and I wish EVERYBODY the best that life has to offer. My point throughout this entire debacle has been to illustrate that society cares more about taking from me and FORCING me to give up my ideals in order to accomodate OTHER cultures, effectively making Whites look like bitches, and today's media enforces that viewpoint.

    To further illustrate this point, did you hear about Carter Strange in Columbia, SC. What about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfXZBhEBeV4 (White boy beat to hell by Blacks over slavery)? Probably not. But you probably heard about those 3 White boys that drove over that black guy in the South recently, didn't ya! I ABSOLUTELY HATE those White boys for doing that. They will forever burn in Hell. But what pisses me off is the fact that when it happens to White people, the Justice system and the Media completely FAIL to deliver. Our society only believes that White people are able to be racists. It is UNSAFE to be out in public as a White boy. Walk around your local community college and tell me you see White people actually having fun...doesn't happen often. What you will find is tons of rap music, gang signs, weed smoke, and "hey cracka, you stepped on my shoes" comments. ONCE that is fixed, I'll be more than happy to mingle. Until then, job #1 is to protect myself and my family.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by iron fists View Post
    has anyone noticed that the news doesnt give much attention to the "flash robs" and flash mobs" that are going on?? from all footage i have been able to find it seems that these are all crimes done by blacks...if they were white they would be all over the news...espcially if the videos showed shown a black man get pulled out of his car while driving to get beaten down by white kids...but since it isnt...they dont show it...its just crazy to me...i guess the media has to filter the nation and world from the massive ignorance rising...plus how can blacks be made out to always be the victims if they are in fact the complete opposite.
    Maybe you watch the wrong news stations because where I live (which is within 50 miles of where this happened) it was covered fairly extensively and action was quickly taken to put a end to that situation.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Actually, the rap lyrics and the crime do lend fire to my argument, due to the fact that society doesn't even see them as important enough to discuss them. Rodney king (horrible incident) was broadcast worldwide, yet this tragedy (which happened in 2007) never made it out of the local news! Why do you think that is? THAT is the point I'm getting at. If you listed off a bunch of white serial killers (most of which do not kill minorities), the OKC bomber (attacked the Government), Columbine killers (attacked bullies), etc., they were not TARGETING blacks/mexicans/whatever. MY examples are clearly illustrating minorities TARGETING Whites!!! That's my point! It has become POPULAR in society to HATE White people aggressively! I don't hate everybody! When I go out in public, I have every intention of mingling with other cultures. But for an example: if I want Mexican food, I go to a Mexican restaurant. I do NOT, however, have a Mexican come to my house, and FORCE me to eat WHATEVER it is they decide to make. THAT is the brand of multiculturalism that is going around in America today, and I don't like it. THAT is my point. I'm not in the Clan, nor do I much care for the clan/NS due to the fact that they (many of them anyways) are VIOLENT and SOCIALIST. TWO things that I am NOT. I LOVE our country, and I wish EVERYBODY the best that life has to offer. My point throughout this entire debacle has been to illustrate that society cares more about taking from me and FORCING me to give up my ideals in order to accomodate OTHER cultures, effectively making Whites look like bitches, and today's media enforces that viewpoint.

    To further illustrate this point, did you hear about Carter Strange in Columbia, SC. What about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfXZBhEBeV4 (White boy beat to hell by Blacks over slavery)? Probably not. But you probably heard about those 3 White boys that drove over that black guy in the South recently, didn't ya! I ABSOLUTELY HATE those White boys for doing that. They will forever burn in Hell. But what pisses me off is the fact that when it happens to White people, the Justice system and the Media completely FAIL to deliver. Our society only believes that White people are able to be racists. It is UNSAFE to be out in public as a White boy. Walk around your local community college and tell me you see White people actually having fun...doesn't happen often. What you will find is tons of rap music, gang signs, weed smoke, and "hey cracka, you stepped on my shoes" comments. ONCE that is fixed, I'll be more than happy to mingle. Until then, job #1 is to protect myself and my family.
    You don't hate everybody just those that aren't white. We get it. As for the targeting whites what are you even talking about? Blacks kill FAR MORE blacks than they do whites. Crime is bad no matter who does it. Murder is bad whether it's a white killing a black, a black killing a white, same race, anything. It should ALL piss you off. Why do you single out black people? Unsafe to be a white boy? What the **** are you talking about?

    Where exactly is it unsafe to be a white boy? It isn't for me. Is it dangerous for people in certain neighborhoods? Of course. Most of the places where it isn't safe to be white it isn't safe to be black, Hispanic, or Asian either! Whites not having fun? You literally sound insane when you say stuff like this. You don't see any whites having fun? What kind of a statement is that even? They are all hiding in basement cellars afraid that the big bad black man is going to get them? What world are you seeing? I was with my girlfriend today and saw a white kid skateboarding with a black kid. Insanity I know. "Pa, they are interacting together...we're too late!!!!"

    WHITES ARE SMOKING WEED, WHITES ARE LISTENING TO RAP MUSIC! Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why do you want to make everything about race?

    You seriously sound like you miss whites drinking from different water fountains than blacks and being in separate schools. You're entitled to your opinion, but we aren't going back that way. No matter how many news stories and links you find that try and show how bad it is to be white today.

    Must have been similar to late 1800's white people. "Oh god, we don't have someone to do our work for us, it's AWFUL TO BE WHITE RIGHT NOW!!!!"

    I'm white, having fun, loving life. I'm sorry that people who are different from you are making it so difficult for you to be happy.

  25. Are you being intentionally dense? I didn't say that I hate everybody that isn't White. I just said that I don't like their CULTURE.

    You really have a difficult time understanding what I'm saying huh. Alright. The fact that blacks kill more blacks than whites IS horrible, but on a personal, physical level it doesn't affect me as much as blacks TARGETING WHITES (which is, in effect, increasing MY odds of becoming a victim). Of course all crime is bad! I'm singling out black people? Not really. I'm simply citing factual evidence that points to a societal bias against Whites. And again, if you go on a community college campus, it truly is not safe to be hanging around outside class (at least where I go to school, I suppose). When Whites gather together, they are quickly put in a "fight or get the hell out of here" kind of situation by blacks, who come over and start ****. TRUE FACT. And true, Whites are smoking weed and listening to rap music. Hell, I used to. Which is truly sad given the fact that the rap music they listen to is usually very similar to the rap music lyrics I cited. How's that for embarassing! And I already stated I would prefer going to separate schools, so I'll agree with you on that one! At least then, White people won't be bothered with incessant beating on desks and "flowing" by blacks in the back of the classroom who have absolutely ZERO intention of learning a damn thing, nor the constant exposure to "gang banging" mentality and having their race put down. Children are smart, and when they realize that society does not accept them the way they are, they will change to become accepted. WE ALL KNOW THIS! Hence why Whites are listening to Rap and smoking weed. They grew up being forced to believe that was the societal norm. Again, multiculturalism failure.

    I don't expect everyone to agree with me. But as long as we debate the issues and not make things (too) personal, I'm fine with whatever is said. But so far, you have yet to present any sort of evidence to negate what I've said besides "you're crazy". I'm going to take that to mean that you can't, until you show otherwise.

    Here's some MORE statistics to leave you with:

    As of 1999, the FBI released the following statistics (I know it's old, but we can damn well assume things haven't gotten much, if any, better):
    -Of the 1.9 million interracial violent crimes, 90% were committed by blacks on whites than vice-versa
    -"Blacks are 100 to 250 times more likely to be involved in gang attacks on whites than the reverse"
    -Fewer than 20% of these attacks on Whites were robberies...the other 80% were Rapes and Assaults (meaning 1.36 million Rapes and Assaults)
    -Hispanics commit violent crimes at approximately three times the White rate
    -Asians commit violent crimes at approximately 1/2 to 3/4 the White rate
    -Hispanics are included in the White category for Hate Crimes, inflating the number of "White-perpetrated Hate Crimes"
    http://iontheworld.wordpress.com/201...ce-in-america/

    Just for some reading, you should check it out. Feel free to provide any factual, statistical evidence at your leisure!
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