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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi

    Of course that was my point. As was the 100% of white OKC bomb drivers. We can always twist statistics to support our points. As you proved in the thread talking about how much more public sector workers made and I cleared that up by proving how unreliable that was.

    I have never attempted to make the argument that racism done by minorities is acceptable. I find it reprehensible, just like I find Brian's views on blacks.
    But societally its accepted. The odds of a black on white crime being treated as a hate crime is roughly 0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    But societally its accepted. The odds of a black on white crime being treated as a hate crime is roughly 0.
    I hardly think this is a reason to call for segregation or blame black kids beating on desks and flowing for the reason any white kid doesn't succeed in school. Though I agree it's wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi

    I hardly think this is a reason to call for segregation or blame black kids beating on desks and flowing for the reason any white kid doesn't succeed in school. Though I agree it's wrong.
    But with it being societally accepted for any minority to self segregate, its ridiculous that the majority can't.
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    You are correct, blacks killing blacks doesn't affect me personally. It's very sad, sure! But on a physical, safety-concerned level, if I was assured that I would not be assaulted by a black man due to my Whiteness, I would no longer be concerned around black people. I, however, do not accept blacks killing Whites simpyl for the fact that they're White. If it could be 100% blacks killing blacks, I'd be fine with that. Then we could work with the black community to deal with the problem. Just like if it were 100% Whites killing Whites, I'd expect Whites to deal with the problem. But, unfortunately for you, the numbers just don't provide for a "snowball's chance in Hell" of becoming true. It is people like you that have allowed things to become as bad as they are by burying your heads in the sand, and blaming everything under the sun except for the true culprits, and essentially legitimizing the problems by saying either "well, we can't do anything about it" or "other people are doing it too", and doing nothing to fix the problem.

    And if you're going to cite statistics, please cite your sources as I have. Otherwise I begin to think you're making up statistics to make your points become valid (which tends to be what liberals do, especially in instances of gun control).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seccsi
    I hardly think this is a reason to call for segregation or blame black kids beating on desks and flowing for the reason any white kid doesn't succeed in school. Though I agree it's wrong.
    However, if I want my children to have a better education, be safer, and not be exposed to that kind of disruptive behavior, I should be allowed to do so by sending them to schools of my choosing. The law should have no say in the matter. Again, multiculturalism has only served to subjugate the European culture of traditional family values and the traditional American lifestyle. Hell, the psychiatrists are trying to legitimize pedophilia, we're now selling lingerie for children, and in Switzerland they now have "sex boxes" for kindergarteners, so they can learn what genitals feel like (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/grap...s-pleasurable/)! They're even removing any gender-specific terms from schools in Canada (like "boy" and "girl")! ALL of these are liberal/progressive/socialist ideas! I'll bet you're just fine and dandy with those too right? Multiculturalism at its' finest!

    The only people that feel an interest in telling me how to raise my children and live my life are liberals, and I don't like it. I want to raise my children as God-Fearing Christians with good moral character, and to understand what is REALLY right and wrong (not just what the liberals decide is acceptable or unacceptable). That is currently quite an undertaking given the current society we live in, and it should not be as such. And if we were able to choose where we send our kids for schooling, and neighborhoods that fit our expectations of what its' culture should be, then this would no longer become an issue.
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    Of course that was my point. As was the 100% of white OKC bomb drivers. We can always twist statistics to support our points. As you proved in the thread talking about how much more public sector workers made and I cleared that up by proving how unreliable that was
    Once again, the OKC bomber was not TARGETING minorities! THAT is the difference. Find some recent White-on-Black TRUE Hate Crimes and we'll talk. I have twisted NO statistics, the numbers don't lie. And the difference between my views and the racism by minorities is this: Mine are in RESPONSE to the violent racism from the minorities. Get rid of the racism from the minorities, and I'll come out of my shell. The fact is the blacks are TARGETING Whites, and I am simply being Proactive to defend myself and my family from potential further attacks. ONCE AGAIN, I have NEVER wished harm on anyone due to their race, but rather, that they simply LEAVE ME ALONE! YOU are the one twisting facts and statements, and yet you have yet to come out with any (cited) statistical evidence to back up your claims that multiculturalism has EVER worked in ANY country.
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    It is funny, they used to call the US "The Melting Pot". And what happens in a melting pot? The metals aren't encouraged to keep their own identity and celebrate their differences, but all become part of a single alloy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    You are correct, blacks killing blacks doesn't affect me personally. It's very sad, sure! But on a physical, safety-concerned level, if I was assured that I would not be assaulted by a black man due to my Whiteness, I would no longer be concerned around black people. I, however, do not accept blacks killing Whites simpyl for the fact that they're White. If it could be 100% blacks killing blacks, I'd be fine with that. Then we could work with the black community to deal with the problem. Just like if it were 100% Whites killing Whites, I'd expect Whites to deal with the problem. But, unfortunately for you, the numbers just don't provide for a "snowball's chance in Hell" of becoming true. It is people like you that have allowed things to become as bad as they are by burying your heads in the sand, and blaming everything under the sun except for the true culprits, and essentially legitimizing the problems by saying either "well, we can't do anything about it" or "other people are doing it too", and doing nothing to fix the problem.

    And if you're going to cite statistics, please cite your sources as I have. Otherwise I begin to think you're making up statistics to make your points become valid (which tends to be what liberals do, especially in instances of gun control).
    --Brian
    Two things:

    1. I'm not anywhere near a liberal.

    2. YOU CAN'T FIND A STATISTIC TO SUPPORT BLACKS TARGETING WHITES. This makes every other point you have attempted to make moot. I want to see the statistic that shows the majority of black people have an agenda to kill whites. Until you can do this all your fear mongering, lyric posting, bull**** statements about black people "flowing" means jack ****. You won't find that statistic because it doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Two things:

    1. I'm not anywhere near a liberal.

    2. YOU CAN'T FIND A STATISTIC TO SUPPORT BLACKS TARGETING WHITES. This makes every other point you have attempted to make moot. I want to see the statistic that shows the majority of black people have an agenda to kill whites. Until you can do this all your fear mongering, lyric posting, bull**** statements about black people "flowing" means jack ****. You won't find that statistic because it doesn't exist.
    plenty of statistics support it

    According to the latest US Department of Justice survey of crime victims, more than 6.6 million violent crimes (murder, rape, assault and robbery) are committed in the US each year, of which about 20 per cent, or 1.3 million, are inter-racial crimes.

    • Most victims of race crime—about 90 per cent—are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims", published in 1993.

    • Almost 1 million white Americans were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by black Americans in 1992, compared with about 132,000 blacks who were murdered, robbed, assaulted or raped by whites, according to the same survey.

    • Blacks thus committed 7.5 times more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary disparity: blacks are committing more than 50 times the number of violent racial crimes of whites.

    • According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, most inter-racial murders involve black assailants and white victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18 times the rate that whites murder blacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    plenty of statistics support it
    These statistics in no means support it. Blacks commit MORE crimes than whites. We have already established this. Of course they are committing crimes against whites at a higher rate than vice versea, they are committing much more crime! This still in no way establishes the fact that the majority of black people are going after white people. Not to mention your statistics are almost twenty years old. The crime rate has went down since those reports quite significantly.

    Seriously I really feel sorry for you. What is it like to see minorities on the street and cower in fear? "They are coming to get me!"

    As I've said a billion times, if you want to be "left alone" then move into the mountains or something. Society has long ago decided that hispanics, asians, white people, black people, and everything else in between are going to live in the same cities, work the same jobs, vote, go to the same schools, etc. THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. Either accept that you will see black people in the supermarket if you live in highly populated areas or leave highly populated areas. We already had segregation and we AREN'T going back. You can either accept that, or go to a place where you can be left alone.

    I'll have to leave this alone, good luck with your racism guys. Hope it works out for you! In the meantime I won't be pissing myself everytime I see someone different than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    These statistics in no means support it. Blacks commit MORE crimes than whites. We have already established this. Of course they are committing crimes against whites at a higher rate than vice versea, they are committing much more crime! This still in no way establishes the fact that the majority of black people are going after white people. Not to mention your statistics are almost twenty years old. The crime rate has went down since those reports quite significantly.
    The essence of what you are saying is that the majority should expect to be targeted by minorities more because they are the majority. Why is beating someone to death worse if they are a minority and the beater is a majority then when its the reverse?

    Where is there anything statistical supporting white on black hate crimes that is anything more current than those?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The essence of what you are saying is that the majority should expect to be targeted by minorities more because they are the majority. Why is beating someone to death worse if they are a minority and the beater is a majority then when its the reverse?

    Where is there anything statistical supporting white on black hate crimes that is anything more current than those?
    Actually that isn't what I'm saying in the least bit. Read much? Blacks are NOT targeting whites and your statistics don't go anywhere near supporting a statement as preposterous as that. Blacks are more likely to kill other blacks...how come he doesn't feel that society should be concerned that blacks are targeting blacks?

    The idea that the majority of black people are purposely going out and killing white people BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE is ludicrous and no one can find a statistic that supports it. If you could, then I would agree, blacks ARE targeting whites. The mere fact that a black person is more likely to commit any crime doesn't lend ANY credence to the targeting argument. Nor does the higher amount of black murder rate or ANYTHING else you posted.

    Anything you find that doesn't change the underlined statement is not about what I'm arguing. And some rap lyric hardly counts as evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Actually that isn't what I'm saying in the least bit. Read much? Blacks are NOT targeting whites and your statistics don't go anywhere near supporting a statement as preposterous as that. Blacks are more likely to kill other blacks...how come he doesn't feel that society should be concerned that blacks are targeting blacks?

    The idea that the majority of black people are purposely going out and killing white people BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE is ludicrous and no one can find a statistic that supports it. If you could, then I would agree, blacks ARE targeting whites. The mere fact that a black person is more likely to commit any crime doesn't lend ANY credence to the targeting argument. Nor does the higher amount of black murder rate or ANYTHING else you posted.

    Anything you find that doesn't change the underlined statement is not about what I'm arguing. And some rap lyric hardly counts as evidence.
    http://www.justice.gov/crs/pubs/htecrm.htm

    In 1996, the FBI received reports of 10,706 hate crimes from State and local law enforcement agencies, involving 11,039 victims, and 10,021 known perpetrators. The crimes included 12 murders, 10 forcible rapes, 1,444 aggravated assaults, 1,762 simple assaults, and 4,130 acts of intimidation.



    Among the known perpetrators, 66 percent were white, and 20 percent were black. Some perpetrators commit hate crimes with their peers as a "thrill" or while under the influence of drugs or alcohol; some as a reaction against a perceived threat or to preserve their "turf'; and some who out of resentment over the growing economic power of a particular racial or ethnic group engage in scapegoating.

    the justice department says it happens, I'm not sure why you find it so hard to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    http://www.justice.gov/crs/pubs/htecrm.htm



    the justice department says it happens, I'm not sure why you find it so hard to believe.
    Did you check your statistic there? It says 66 percent were white. 20 percent black. You do know what perpetrators means right?

    So again, where is the evidence that the majority of black people are targeting whites? It still hasn't been provided. Although I must say the attempt by you two to show it is quite amusing. "It's out there I swear I know all those minorities are out to get us! I just have to find the right stat!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi

    Did you check your statistic there? It says 66 percent were white. 20 percent black. You do know what perpetrators means right?

    So again, where is the evidence that the majority of black people are targeting whites? It still hasn't been provided. Although I must say the attempt by you two to show it is quite amusing. "It's out there I swear I know all those minorities are out to get us! I just have to find the right stat!"
    You apparently for being a teacher don't understand math or logic, so I can't guess what you teach. You stated that there wasn't any black on white hate crimes and no statistics to support it. When government statistics support it, suddenly your argument changes...

    Whites make up 64% of the population, blacks 13% . Blacks are proportionately far more likely to commit a hate crime based on race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    You apparently for being a teacher don't understand math or logic, so I can't guess what you teach. You stated that there wasn't any black on white hate crimes and no statistics to support it. When government statistics support it, suddenly your argument changes...

    Whites make up 64% of the population, blacks 13% . Blacks are proportionately far more likely to commit a hate crime based on race.
    Well there you go with reading fail again. Please show me where I stated there was no black on white hate crimes (I'll save you time, I never said it).

    The contention by Brian was that blacks were targeting whites. I said other than a few loons (like the loony whites that target blacks) that statement had no statistic basis. I specifically asked for data that showed a majority of blacks committing crimes against white people because they are white. To me that would back up his statement that lots of blacks were targeting whites. NOTHING either of you have shown has been even close to making that case. The requirement still stands. I just wonder how many different things you two are going to put up that DON'T show what I'm looking for. Please read a little more carefully so you waste less of my time responding to strawmen.

    I guess you'll switch to personally attacking me and saying I don't understand stuff when you're wrong.

    I can just see you're so bound and determined to prove that it's ok judge people based on skin color. How about you two go on being scared of people based on the color of their skin and I'll go on being scared of people when they give me a reason to be scared of them. Then we can both be happy.
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    Honestly, I'm all out of statistics (well, except for TONS of recent news stories in which the black assailants actually admitted to picking White victims, but you're not looking for those either so...)! Honestly, with all of the numbers we've thrown up, you STILL can't see that it is not unreasonable to wish to separate MYSELF from people that STATISTICALLY are a threat? There's really nothing I can do to force you to see reality for what it truly is. I mean, I could give you a wide selection of news stories illustrating my point, but if the statistics already already given don't make you see my point, then I guess there's nothing left that I can say.

    And everybody judges people based on defining characteristics. It's human nature, and a survival instinct. We are designed to recognize the dangers that have proven to be a threat in the past, so we can avoid them (or prepare for the worst if unavoidable).

    And if you look at the numbers Easy put up, and look at the US Census from 1990 and 2000 and average the populations amongst those two (best we can do since the census is every decade), you will see that of the ~11000 HATE CRIMES (keep in mind blacks have to do some HORRIBLE things to get charged with a Hate Crime as I have illustrated, so the numbers are skewed quite a bit), 66% were commited by Whites (7286), while 20% by blacks (2208). Then look at the population for Whites (205 million) and blacks (34 million). Now with some simple math, you will see that the 66% of Hate Crimes by Whites equates to a probability of .35%, while the 20% by blacks equates to .65%! That means if you're black, the odds are 35/10,000 of being a victim of a Hate Crime by a White man, but if you're White, YOUR odds are 65/10,000 (almost double)! AND, that doesn't actually include all of the other crimes that aren't reported as Hate Crimes (some of which I've cited in these posts), which would only serve to DRAMATICALLY RAISE those odds. The Hate-Crime statistics are misnomers (that may not be the right word), because they don't actually report the statistics that you THINK they are. They are skewed based on whether or not our society mandates that blacks be held to the same level of accountability as Whites, which just doesn't happen. Hence why people that rape/castrate/and murder husband and wife in front of each other are only in prison for a few decades, while a White boy that defends himself gets life in prison for a Hate Crime. Either way, I don't really think there is any way you are WILLING to accept what I'm saying. You'll keep twisting my words, and that's fine. I would expect nothing less from a liberal teacher! Anywho, gotta go back to school now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Honestly, I'm all out of statistics (well, except for TONS of recent news stories in which the black assailants actually admitted to picking White victims, but you're not looking for those either so...)! Honestly, with all of the numbers we've thrown up, you STILL can't see that it is not unreasonable to wish to separate MYSELF from people that STATISTICALLY are a threat? There's really nothing I can do to force you to see reality for what it truly is. I mean, I could give you a wide selection of news stories illustrating my point, but if the statistics already already given don't make you see my point, then I guess there's nothing left that I can say.

    And everybody judges people based on defining characteristics. It's human nature, and a survival instinct. We are designed to recognize the dangers that have proven to be a threat in the past, so we can avoid them (or prepare for the worst if unavoidable).

    And if you look at the numbers Easy put up, and look at the US Census from 1990 and 2000 and average the populations amongst those two (best we can do since the census is every decade), you will see that of the ~11000 HATE CRIMES (keep in mind blacks have to do some HORRIBLE things to get charged with a Hate Crime as I have illustrated, so the numbers are skewed quite a bit), 66% were commited by Whites (7286), while 20% by blacks (2208). Then look at the population for Whites (205 million) and blacks (34 million). Now with some simple math, you will see that the 66% of Hate Crimes by Whites equates to a probability of .35%, while the 20% by blacks equates to .65%! That means if you're black, the odds are 35/10,000 of being a victim of a Hate Crime by a White man, but if you're White, YOUR odds are 65/10,000 (almost double)! AND, that doesn't actually include all of the other crimes that aren't reported as Hate Crimes (some of which I've cited in these posts), which would only serve to DRAMATICALLY RAISE those odds. The Hate-Crime statistics are misnomers (that may not be the right word), because they don't actually report the statistics that you THINK they are. They are skewed based on whether or not our society mandates that blacks be held to the same level of accountability as Whites, which just doesn't happen. Hence why people that rape/castrate/and murder husband and wife in front of each other are only in prison for a few decades, while a White boy that defends himself gets life in prison for a Hate Crime. Either way, I don't really think there is any way you are WILLING to accept what I'm saying. You'll keep twisting my words, and that's fine. I would expect nothing less from a liberal teacher! Anywho, gotta go back to school now.
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    News stories exist of whites "picking" black victims. Should all blacks fear whites? Or is a better statement than "blacks are targeting whites" (which implies ALL of them) "a few black people and a few white people go after others because of their race?"

    THAT has pretty much been my point all along. Just like SOME muslims are terrorists and SOME christians are terrorists, the idea that ALL of them are based on what the minority of them do is just plain stupid. You seem to be struggling with that point. It flies directly in the face of your fear of ALL minorities. The simple fact is you don't want to let go of that fear. Even though you've JUST PROVED my point that statistically you aren't likely to be a victim of a hate crime whether you're BLACK OR WHITE! Through YOUR statistic the fear for either race of each other is NOT backed up. But I'm sure you'll try and twist that around. You can't even prove a majority of blacks do this, let alone all of them.

    You don't want to let go though. You want to blame and say things like "a white boy gets life for defending himself." Whites can't learn because of blacks in the classroom. You've admitted you're racist, and I'm not trying to change you. If you WANT to be scared of people based on their skin color go right ahead. But stop saying things that are DEMONSTRABLY false. The VAST majority of blacks aren't targeting whites just like the VAST majority of whites aren't targeting blacks.

    I would expect nothing less from a young racist kid in COMMUNITY college. Fun I can use personal attacks as well. And apparently you continue to ignore the fact that I'm libertarian as has been shown by my posts in here countless times. I'm sure it hurts because you think ONLY liberals would be friends with minorities right? No real white American conservative could possibly defend minorities.

    You wouldn't change based on anything I could possibly show you, you've already admitted you're racist and you want to stay racist. I hope you can make it through another day at school without those minorities getting you. Every day is a blessing to stay alive with all those different people trying to hurt the whites. It's AMAZING any white people stay alive isn't it?
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    Well, you got me! I've clearly explained my points-of-view, and I don't see how this conversation could possibly move any farther forward than it has already gone. And as far as the Community College thing goes, we all need to start somewhere, and I'm only two years younger than you, and I just got out of the military. I'm just now starting my education, and as such I'm doing my Generals at the CC (like most people) before transfering to the University. I'm not really sure why you think I'm somehow inherently stupid because I'm going to a CC, but you're entitled to your opinion I s'pose. But just for future reference, I thought you might like to know that going to a Community College is a stepping stone for MOST people, not the ending point. I am not, by any means, limited to a Community College (except by money)! And on that note...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Well there you go with reading fail again. Please show me where I stated there was no black on white hate crimes (I'll save you time, I never said it).

    The contention by Brian was that blacks were targeting whites. I said other than a few loons (like the loony whites that target blacks) that statement had no statistic basis. I specifically asked for data that showed a majority of blacks committing crimes against white people because they are white. To me that would back up his statement that lots of blacks were targeting whites. NOTHING either of you have shown has been even close to making that case. The requirement still stands. I just wonder how many different things you two are going to put up that DON'T show what I'm looking for. Please read a little more carefully so you waste less of my time responding to strawmen.

    I guess you'll switch to personally attacking me and saying I don't understand stuff when you're wrong.

    I can just see you're so bound and determined to prove that it's ok judge people based on skin color. How about you two go on being scared of people based on the color of their skin and I'll go on being scared of people when they give me a reason to be scared of them. Then we can both be happy.
    Its such a pity you don't read your own posts

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    2. YOU CAN'T FIND A STATISTIC TO SUPPORT BLACKS TARGETING WHITES. This makes every other point you have attempted to make moot.
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    Blacks are NOT targeting whites and your statistics don't go anywhere near supporting a statement as preposterous as that.
    You may have wanted to see proof that a "majority of blacks" were doing it, but that was never a statement that anyone else here made. The only thing either I or brian said was that hate crimes are committed by black people against whites, are committed disproportionately based on their population %, and are ignored by the media. Its ignored by the media of course because of their "progressive" bent, which apparently you buy into.

    And perhaps you also in your lack of logic and reasoning didn't realize you began with personal attacks first. I can only hope you don't teach any subject that requires critical thought in students.

    If a white person is walking down a dark street, and there are 3 black men on one side, and 3 white men on the other side, its safer to walk down the side with the white men. Sadly, its still safer for a black man to walk down the side of the street with the white men.

    When statistics from the justice department support it, its ridiculous to not use sound judgement and take the safer path. Purposefully putting yourself in a path of more danger so you can sing kumbaya later with the rainbow coalition is not logical and contrary to common sense.

    Does that mean that at the gym, at work, etc all the black people are bad? Of course not. I've got more black male friends than white male friends. A few are hatian, dominican, and a few american. Although my wife would probably flip, I wouldn't care if my daughter dated a black man, an arab, an indian, whatever. In my neighborhood, all those are options as its the most racially mixed neighborhood i've ever seen.

    In a normal social setting, I treat everyone equally until they give me cause not to. In a city setting at night? An entirely different proposition.

    Again its using sound judgement, and not exposing yourself to additional risk merely so after you are beaten down and robbed you can feel sorry for the black men who did it because they grew up poor and with a father who abandoned them, and grandparents who taught them to hate whitey.
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    You may have wanted to see proof that a "majority of blacks" were doing it, but that was never a statement that anyone else here made. The only thing either I or brian said was that hate crimes are committed by black people against whites, are committed disproportionately based on their population %, and are ignored by the media. Its ignored by the media of course because of their "progressive" bent, which apparently you buy into.

    And perhaps you also in your lack of logic and reasoning didn't realize you began with personal attacks first. I can only hope you don't teach any subject that requires critical thought in students.

    If a white person is walking down a dark street, and there are 3 black men on one side, and 3 white men on the other side, its safer to walk down the side with the white men. Sadly, its still safer for a black man to walk down the side of the street with the white men.

    When statistics from the justice department support it, its ridiculous to not use sound judgement and take the safer path. Purposefully putting yourself in a path of more danger so you can sing kumbaya later with the rainbow coalition is not logical and contrary to common sense.

    Does that mean that at the gym, at work, etc all the black people are bad? Of course not. I've got more black male friends than white male friends. A few are hatian, dominican, and a few american. Although my wife would probably flip, I wouldn't care if my daughter dated a black man, an arab, an indian, whatever. In my neighborhood, all those are options as its the most racially mixed neighborhood i've ever seen.

    In a normal social setting, I treat everyone equally until they give me cause not to. In a city setting at night? An entirely different proposition.

    Again its using sound judgement, and not exposing yourself to additional risk merely so after you are beaten down and robbed you can feel sorry for the black men who did it because they grew up poor and with a father who abandoned them, and grandparents who taught them to hate whitey.
    I couldn't have said it better myself man! Seriously, you just said in a few paragraphs what I've been attempting to say this whole time! I'd rep you, but I cannot. I realize that me and you most likely see things differently, but I'm glad you can at least understand where I'm coming from. It's just too bad that other people are too quick to call me names and twist my words in an effort to show how "diverse" they are, rather than actually thinking about what I'm saying and having a fruitful debate. Have a great day Easy!
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    Apparently, the Congressional Black Caucus (widespread enough for you) has been touring cities saying the Tea Party wants to "lynch blacks", all because we believe in eliminating the spending of borrowed money on welfare programs. And they say that "the Hood" should retaliate by mobbing the banks, destroying our neighborhoods, and invading our homes (simply for having different political views)! Sounds reasonable, right? Given the fact that everything they suggest is illegal (and scary), the simple fact that the Congressional Black Caucus feels comfortable enough to come out on national television speaking this way says a lot about the current racial state in this country. They have an incredibly large following (like...CONGRESS big), and are trying to stir up the blacks to incite violence and hatred towards White people (because we all know Tea Party = White people, as the media has so faithfully portrayed in the news up to now). But that probably isn't enough either. It's a good thing I stocked up on ammo already, because here in SoCal, things could get ugly quick! 2012 should be an interesting year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Its such a pity you don't read your own posts





    You may have wanted to see proof that a "majority of blacks" were doing it, but that was never a statement that anyone else here made. The only thing either I or brian said was that hate crimes are committed by black people against whites, are committed disproportionately based on their population %, and are ignored by the media. Its ignored by the media of course because of their "progressive" bent, which apparently you buy into.

    And perhaps you also in your lack of logic and reasoning didn't realize you began with personal attacks first. I can only hope you don't teach any subject that requires critical thought in students.

    If a white person is walking down a dark street, and there are 3 black men on one side, and 3 white men on the other side, its safer to walk down the side with the white men. Sadly, its still safer for a black man to walk down the side of the street with the white men.

    When statistics from the justice department support it, its ridiculous to not use sound judgement and take the safer path. Purposefully putting yourself in a path of more danger so you can sing kumbaya later with the rainbow coalition is not logical and contrary to common sense.

    Does that mean that at the gym, at work, etc all the black people are bad? Of course not. I've got more black male friends than white male friends. A few are hatian, dominican, and a few american. Although my wife would probably flip, I wouldn't care if my daughter dated a black man, an arab, an indian, whatever. In my neighborhood, all those are options as its the most racially mixed neighborhood i've ever seen.

    In a normal social setting, I treat everyone equally until they give me cause not to. In a city setting at night? An entirely different proposition.

    Again its using sound judgement, and not exposing yourself to additional risk merely so after you are beaten down and robbed you can feel sorry for the black men who did it because they grew up poor and with a father who abandoned them, and grandparents who taught them to hate whitey.
    As usual Easy shifts the goalposts just like he did when debating Reagan's legacy (uhmm, it's ALL different this time!). The point before you came in was MADE (and you've subsequently ignored it) that we should be segregated because whites and blacks don't mix. He pointed out that blacks are "targeting" whites. All I said is that this isn't happening by any means on a large scale. To me to avoid ALL black people and say they are targeting whites requires some proof. I simply asked for the proof that one should be scared of all black people. You both never came close to providing it.

    Brian wants to justify his racism by saying things like "because they are after white people." Really you can tell he despises differences by his talking bad about things like rap music, flowing in the classroom, and other garbage that he apparently thinks all black people do. Really he wants to find all these statistics so he feels better about not liking another race. If you really read his posts (which Easy seems to have skipped) you can see his disdain for black people.

    The simple fact remains that A FEW black people, A FEW white people, A FEW whoever else are bad people and do bad things. Some Muslims are terrorists. The vast majority are not. Some Christians are terrorists. The vast majority are not. Some white people are serial killers. The vast majority are not. All I've said is if I need to be separated from all blacks because they are violent prove it to me. You two can't even prove that a majority of them are violent. You've tried to shift things around by showing stuff like blacks commit hate crimes as if I said somewhere that no black people commit hate crimes. You both know that what I asked for doesn't exist, so you keep trying to throw other stuff in my face and say "see told you!"

    What was your job again so I can make fun of you for it? Professional anabolic minds poster? You seem to always want to bring up my job to put me down. Pretty classy.

    The vast majority of what Brian has said isn't even remotely backed up by anything but talk. "Uh, whites can't learn because blacks are flowing in the classroom and beating on desks!"

    If you two want to be racist, be racist. Just don't be pissed that society isn't accepting it by letting you guys create all white communities. Again, Hitler called he wants his ideals back. He thought a master race existed as well. You can be mad that people who have a different skin color than you have constitutionally protected rights all you want, but the fact remains it isn't going to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    As usual Easy shifts the goalposts just like he did when debating Reagan's legacy (uhmm, it's ALL different this time!). The point before you came in was MADE (and you've subsequently ignored it) that we should be segregated because whites and blacks don't mix. He pointed out that blacks are "targeting" whites. All I said is that this isn't happening by any means on a large scale. To me to avoid ALL black people and say they are targeting whites requires some proof. I simply asked for the proof that one should be scared of all black people. You both never came close to providing it.
    Actually, the point made was that we should have the OPTION of creating all-white communities if we so choose. NEVER did I say it should be mandatory, nor that our cultures shouldn't encounter each other in the public square. But at home, I want MY culture around MY family in MY neighborhood. That's all! That's as far as I care to take it! Hell, we can have black neighborhoods right next to White neighborhoods, and I'd be fine with that! But it's funny that a self-professed "Libertarian" is so hostile towards the mere idea of living within my own culture and self-segregating. THAT is why I called you a Liberal, which is to say that you don't exhibit very many of the characteristics of a "Libertarian".

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    Brian wants to justify his racism by saying things like "because they are after white people." Really you can tell he despises differences by his talking bad about things like rap music, flowing in the classroom, and other garbage that he apparently thinks all black people do. Really he wants to find all these statistics so he feels better about not liking another race. If you really read his posts (which Easy seems to have skipped) you can see his disdain for black people.
    We both admit that the VAST majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks. Why am I wrong to want to avoid violent people again (whether they TARGET Whites or not, as your argument has apparently become)? Is it not just as easy to get caught in the crossfire, so to speak, if you are White in the vicinity of a black scuffle?

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    The simple fact remains that A FEW black people, A FEW white people, A FEW whoever else are bad people and do bad things. Some Muslims are terrorists. The vast majority are not. Some Christians are terrorists. The vast majority are not. Some white people are serial killers. The vast majority are not. All I've said is if I need to be separated from all blacks because they are violent prove it to me. You two can't even prove that a majority of them are violent. You've tried to shift things around by showing stuff like blacks commit hate crimes as if I said somewhere that no black people commit hate crimes. You both know that what I asked for doesn't exist, so you keep trying to throw other stuff in my face and say "see told you!"
    Muslims also believe Homosexuals should be stoned, whatever a man says goes, a woman has no freedom to do anything, and Shariah law should be the law of the land. I have yet to hear of a Christian Terrorist (although I'm sure there are some terrorists that happen to be Christian). Perhaps you could provide me an example of someone terrorising a community as a Jihad (of sorts) for the Christian faith? I never said YOU need to do anything. I said that Ishould have the opportunity to move to an area that is deemed "Whites only". YOU should NOT have the ability to restrict my Freedom of Association, and tell me where I cannot live.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    What was your job again so I can make fun of you for it? Professional anabolic minds poster? You seem to always want to bring up my job to put me down. Pretty classy.
    Oh, if only you knew his real job, you'd feel like quite the dummy! ! I'd say it's fair to say that Easy is quite accomplished in life, and has far exceeded your maximum potential (and maybe mine as well). He is far from a "Professional anabolic minds poster"! I'll let him elaborate if he feels the need to defend himself (so to speak), although I sincerely doubt there is a reason to do so. Way to keep the bar high "seccsi".

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    The vast majority of what Brian has said isn't even remotely backed up by anything but talk. "Uh, whites can't learn because blacks are flowing in the classroom and beating on desks!"
    You keep mixing up race and culture. They are two different things, but you will find that the majority of times there are correlations. I never said Whites can't learn (ALL education metrics show Whites are exceeding blacks, while Asians/Orientals exceed Whites). I just said that Whites would do better if those interruptions and distractions were not present, and in European culture, those disruptions don't even exist. In European culture, we RESPECT the people in authority, and when class starts, we shut up. We don't fight the teachers, we don't disrespect the teachers by talking on cell-phones in class, etc.). I was simply referring to the CULTURAL lack of respect often found in black people (children especially). I'm sure you're now going to justify those behaviors with a lack of parenting, etc. (and you'd be correct), but yet, we are so unwilling to correct those potentiators.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    If you two want to be racist, be racist. Just don't be pissed that society isn't accepting it by letting you guys create all white communities. Again, Hitler called he wants his ideals back. He thought a master race existed as well. You can be mad that people who have a different skin color than you have constitutionally protected rights all you want, but the fact remains it isn't going to change.
    The LAST thing I want to do is be a racist. As I said, until a year ago, I was the "blackest" White guy you could find (I even have a 36" gold chain I used to wear...very gawdy). I listened to Rap, Hell...I used to sag! Then I was finally exposed to what is wrong with America, and the majority of it traces back to multiculturalism and...wait for it...black culture in particular. As I said before, I learned from my mistakes, and started seeing the world as it truly is, starting with the music I was listening to (which oddly enough was talking about killing White people because they were "bitches").

    Once black people start making a concerted effort to show that they respect White people as THEIR equal, THEN I will be MORE THAN HAPPY to associate with other cultures. But all my life I have been FORCE-FED other cultures, and so far I don't like what I see. And I guess it is ONLY wrong for a White guy to want to cut ties with a culture he doesn't like. Anywho, did you have a chance to watch the video link I posted showing the Congressional Black Caucus attacking the Tea Party (and White people by proxy)? You probably should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Actually, the point made was that we should have the OPTION of creating all-white communities if we so choose. NEVER did I say it should be mandatory, nor that our cultures shouldn't encounter each other in the public square. But at home, I want MY culture around MY family in MY neighborhood. That's all! That's as far as I care to take it! Hell, we can have black neighborhoods right next to White neighborhoods, and I'd be fine with that! But it's funny that a self-professed "Libertarian" is so hostile towards the mere idea of living within my own culture and self-segregating. THAT is why I called you a Liberal, which is to say that you don't exhibit very many of the characteristics of a "Libertarian".
    I'm about as small government as can be. I'm in no way supportive of having separate water fountains for whites or separate public schools for whites. If you want to go in the woods with like minded people be my guest. How far would you like to cut it up? Separate fountains for Christian whites than non Christian whites? Different fountains for half white people? It doesn't seem a little inefficient and quite stupid to want this in cities?

    We both admit that the VAST majority of violent crimes are committed by blacks. Why am I wrong to want to avoid violent people again (whether they TARGET Whites or not, as your argument has apparently become)? Is it not just as easy to get caught in the crossfire, so to speak, if you are White in the vicinity of a black scuffle?

    All races commit violent crimes. You can avoid whoever you want. I know the average black person on the street in a big city is not likely to do me any harm. You've already statistically proven that. Do bad areas exist with bad people you should avoid especially at night? You bet. Could you be attacked by that white guy just as easily as that black guy? You bet. But if the white guy attacks you it's the black guys fault right? I mean whites NEVER committed crimes until blacks came around. We all helped one another out, fought no wars, had no stealing, it was divine. Then a few blacks sagged their pants and it was ALL OVER.


    Muslims also believe Homosexuals should be stoned, whatever a man says goes, a woman has no freedom to do anything, and Shariah law should be the law of the land. I have yet to hear of a Christian Terrorist (although I'm sure there are some terrorists that happen to be Christian). Perhaps you could provide me an example of someone terrorising a community as a Jihad (of sorts) for the Christian faith? I never said YOU need to do anything. I said that Ishould have the opportunity to move to an area that is deemed "Whites only". YOU should NOT have the ability to restrict my Freedom of Association, and tell me where I cannot live.
    Actually the history of Christian terrorism goes way back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi...#United_States
    Many people in the Christian faith have no problems demonizing those who don't believe what they believe.

    DIFFERENT Christians believe different things, just like different muslims. Again you PROJECT and say things like Muslims (which insinuates all of them) believe this. This is my main issue with you. You want to put people in categories like Muslim, black, etc and then say they ALL do this.
    Different Muslims interpret their good book different ways. Just like different Christians interpret the Bible. All I've tried to get you to do is realize people are different. You CONTINUE to use broad strokes to paint people who are different from you. This will ALWAYS be wrong. Not all Muslims act a certain way, not all blacks act a certain way, not all whites act a certain way. Until you figure this out your arguments where you say things like "Muslims think this" and "Blacks do this" will always be wrong.

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

    Oh, if only you knew his real job, you'd feel like quite the dummy! ! I'd say it's fair to say that Easy is quite accomplished in life, and has far exceeded your maximum potential (and maybe mine as well). He is far from a "Professional anabolic minds poster"! I'll let him elaborate if he feels the need to defend himself (so to speak), although I sincerely doubt there is a reason to do so. Way to keep the bar high "seccsi".
    Perhaps he has, perhaps he has not. And you have NO idea of what I have accomplished, just as I have no idea what you have accomplished. All I know is you both have repeatedly used my profession to drag me down. Against teachers, minorities, a die hard religious fanactic...yep, sounding like a true right winger! Honestly I could care less what Easy does or did. I just don't know why he repeatedly finds the need to attack me based on the job I do (which he knows nothing about). And you think I'm setting the bar low?



    You keep mixing up race and culture. They are two different things, but you will find that the majority of times there are correlations. I never said Whites can't learn (ALL education metrics show Whites are exceeding blacks, while Asians/Orientals exceed Whites). I just said that Whites would do better if those interruptions and distractions were not present, and in European culture, those disruptions don't even exist. In European culture, we RESPECT the people in authority, and when class starts, we shut up. We don't fight the teachers, we don't disrespect the teachers by talking on cell-phones in class, etc.). I was simply referring to the CULTURAL lack of respect often found in black people (children especially). I'm sure you're now going to justify those behaviors with a lack of parenting, etc. (and you'd be correct), but yet, we are so unwilling to correct those potentiators.
    Please tell me why in a school that is almost 100% white I have kids who are distractions, don't get class work done, show up late, smell bad, etc. This is a rural white neighbor hood with almost no black presence. Who would you like to blame this on now? I thought the distractions wouldn't exist if we got rid of blacks?



    The LAST thing I want to do is be a racist. As I said, until a year ago, I was the "blackest" White guy you could find (I even have a 36" gold chain I used to wear...very gawdy). I listened to Rap, Hell...I used to sag! Then I was finally exposed to what is wrong with America, and the majority of it traces back to multiculturalism and...wait for it...black culture in particular. As I said before, I learned from my mistakes, and started seeing the world as it truly is, starting with the music I was listening to (which oddly enough was talking about killing White people because they were "bitches").

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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Once black people start making a concerted effort to show that they respect White people as THEIR equal, THEN I will be MORE THAN HAPPY to associate with other cultures. But all my life I have been FORCE-FED other cultures, and so far I don't like what I see. And I guess it is ONLY wrong for a White guy to want to cut ties with a culture he doesn't like. Anywho, did you have a chance to watch the video link I posted showing the Congressional Black Caucus attacking the Tea Party (and White people by proxy)? You probably should.
    --Brian
    So you think the BEST way to encourage blacks to respect whites as their equal is to segregate from blacks, blame the problems of society on blacks, talk about all the problems with black culture?

    Yeah, that sounds like a foolproof plan. "Hey blacks, I'm a white guy who thinks you are the reason why all the problems in America exist. And now I'm mad that you seem to dislike me!"

    It's your type of "us against them" thinking that keeps us from making progress.
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    Oh, here's another one: http://www.therightscoop.com/st-loui...ack-teen-mobs/. Apparently, black teen mobs are ambushing White bicyclists in St. Louis, and proceeding to sit them against walls and beat the **** out of them. I guess I could lie and say I'm shocked.

    I guess we can add this one too: http://www.therightscoop.com/wiscons...at-state-fair/, and this one: http://www.therightscoop.com/another...venient-store/, and this one: http://www.therightscoop.com/another...enience-store/, and this one "White girl bleeds a lot" on the 4th of July @ http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/125027704.html), and this one: "Beat Whitey Night" at the Iowa State Fair (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...owa-state-fair), and this one: White guy blindsided by group of blacks in broad daylight (http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/...-attack-080811), and this one: 100s of blacks mob in Philadelphia beating White people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX2Smuf7kFU, amongst many others, and I'm just getting started! But there is NO amount of documented evidence I can provide to you that will make you see what's really going on in our society. NONE of these HORRIBLE, TRAGIC, RACIALLY MOTIVATED mob-beatings are getting the coverage they deserve in the news media (assuming they receive any at all), nor are any black people speaking out and condemning these attacks and praying for the White victims. The mother of one of the boys in Philadelphia ONLY started crying when speaking at court to keep her son from going to jail. NOT ONCE did she even look concerned when the other White witnesses (and victims) spoke at the trial (meaning she DOESN'T CARE), and yet you tell me I shouldn't be concerned. Ya...good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    So you think the BEST way to encourage blacks to respect whites as their equal is to segregate from blacks, blame the problems of society on blacks, talk about all the problems with black culture?

    Yeah, that sounds like a foolproof plan. "Hey blacks, I'm a white guy who thinks you are the reason why all the problems in America exist. And now I'm mad that you seem to dislike me!"
    I couldn't give a **** less if they like me or not. I just want them to stop being violent, which seems to require a CULTURAL shift. Until that happens, it makes perfect sense to separate myself from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    As usual Easy shifts the goalposts just like he did when debating Reagan's legacy (uhmm, it's ALL different this time!). The point before you came in was MADE (and you've subsequently ignored it) that we should be segregated because whites and blacks don't mix. He pointed out that blacks are "targeting" whites. All I said is that this isn't happening by any means on a large scale. To me to avoid ALL black people and say they are targeting whites requires some proof. I simply asked for the proof that one should be scared of all black people. You both never came close to providing it.
    no, sorry, you are creating an argument different than either I or brian stated because you know its not possible to prove. Neither of us said that races should be segregated, or that blacks should all be avoided. But we accept minorities self segregating, Michelle Obama's thesis paper at Princeton basically was "why I don't feel comfortable around white people", and thats fine too. If white people feel the same? thats a huge problem. Pick one way or the other, self imposed segration is ok or it isn't. But it being ok for minorities and not for the majority is ridiculous.

    And with the reagan argument, economic situations are very different between then and now. Moody's wasn't even considering lowering our credit rating then, but now... A deficit of 20% of budget vs a deficit of 40% of budget are very different. A national debt of below 1/4 of the gdp is very different than a national debt of 100% of gdp. Taken from the context of someone earning $50k a year, then was them spending 60k on their 50k income, now its them spending more like 72k on the 50k income. Then it was them having $50k in credit card debts, now its them having $350k in credit card debts. If you can't understand that those two situations are very different economically then I really can't help you, and its not a surprise to me you have such an issue with the racial statistics either.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Brian wants to justify his racism by saying things like "because they are after white people." Really you can tell he despises differences by his talking bad about things like rap music, flowing in the classroom, and other garbage that he apparently thinks all black people do. Really he wants to find all these statistics so he feels better about not liking another race. If you really read his posts (which Easy seems to have skipped) you can see his disdain for black people.
    even brian realizes I don't agree with him on that. That doesn't change the fact that if you have to pick walking through a group of black males or white males, you are many times more likely to get an asswhipping walking through the group of black men. Even moreso if you are white, but even if you are black.

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    All I've said is if I need to be separated from all blacks because they are violent prove it to me. You two can't even prove that a majority of them are violent. You've tried to shift things around by showing stuff like blacks commit hate crimes as if I said somewhere that no black people commit hate crimes. You both know that what I asked for doesn't exist, so you keep trying to throw other stuff in my face and say "see told you!"
    Again though you are the only one saying those. I have no interest in being segrated, but understand that others (including most minorities) do feel that way. Nobody said a majority of them are violent, just that they are more violent than their % of population. You repeatedly said that there was no black on white hate crimes, we just showed that there are, and its far more common for a black person to commit one proportionately than a white person.

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    What was your job again so I can make fun of you for it? Professional anabolic minds poster? You seem to always want to bring up my job to put me down. Pretty classy.
    you began with personal attacks on my reading comprehension, I merely followed suit. Perhaps you should take another look at your own discussion style first and avoid making ad hominem attacks if you don't like them being used against you as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    The vast majority of what Brian has said isn't even remotely backed up by anything but talk. "Uh, whites can't learn because blacks are flowing in the classroom and beating on desks!"
    well, I don't think he quite said that, but he's off on that one. Most schools outside of inner cities the black kids are only slightly more disruptive than white kids (again proportionately). At my daughters high school, roughly half the kids in the morning in the office for dress code violations and being jackasses about their dress code violations are black girls. I've gotten to where I can't stand going in there mornings to talk to the guidance counselor or other staff just due to the "you can'ts bes tellin me what i gots ta wear" over and over

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    If you two want to be racist, be racist. Just don't be pissed that society isn't accepting it by letting you guys create all white communities. Again, Hitler called he wants his ideals back. He thought a master race existed as well. You can be mad that people who have a different skin color than you have constitutionally protected rights all you want, but the fact remains it isn't going to change.
    I don't want an all white community, and I don't want to remove anyones constitutionally protected rights. However, I don't want anyone getting preferential treatment because of their skin color either. If a man kills a man with a baseball bat, I can't see how its anything but a hate crime regardless. Its not like its a love crime. Justice is meant to be based on rule of law, and be emotionless. You can't prove the intentions or motivations of a person unless they confess to it. Anything from outside is merely a guess.

    Is it really better that you beat someone down with a bat and leave them paralyzed for life for drug money but at least you didn't do it because of their skin color?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    I'm about as small government as can be. I'm in no way supportive of having separate water fountains for whites or separate public schools for whites. If you want to go in the woods with like minded people be my guest. How far would you like to cut it up? Separate fountains for Christian whites than non Christian whites? Different fountains for half white people? It doesn't seem a little inefficient and quite stupid to want this in cities?
    Libertarian doesn't only mean small government (in fact, you can be Libertarian and Big Government). However, Libertarians believe in personal Liberties first-and-foremost, and that the Government shall NEVER infringe on those liberties , regardless of how big it gets (hence the name). You believe it is acceptable to infringe on the baby's right to life, my right to property by taking my money to pay for someone else's education/indoctrination, and my Freedom of Association by saying that we cannot have All-White establishments ANYWHERE in America (apparently for you, it's only acceptable if I go off into the woods somewhere and live a secluded life, rather than respecting my right to associate with my OWN culture). You don't have to support FORCED separation of water fountains, but if you truly were a Libertarian, you would support my right to build an establishment that did. Anywho, for those keeping score, that's 3 for 3 violations of the Constitution (life, liberty, and property), meaning you are okay with infringing on the THREE things that have been Constitutionally protected in the since it's inception. What concerns me the most is that you feel you are somehow qualified to tell me how to live my life (or you wouldn't believe what you believe). If you believed that no one had the right to infringe on those freedoms, you would then believe they were wrong, and you don't. You really don't seem very Libertarian to me (you seem more Liberal Republican, which is fine if that's where you stand). I'm really not attacking you here, but it does seem that your stated viewpoints are mutually exclusive with the term Libertarian.
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    And what exactly were you referring to in: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html? Are you implying that any Christians actually live by the OLD Testament? If you knew anything about Christians, you would know that the OLD Testament was meant to prepare the Jews for the COMING of the Messiah. The NEW Testament is a reflection on the life of Jesus, as well as how we are to live our lives TODAY! If you want to quote Bible verses as they apply to a Christian of TODAY, you should probably use the part of the Bible that shapes our daily lives (the New Testament), rather than the historical part of the Bible that applied to the Jews BEFORE Jesus was born (the Old Testament). Here is what the Quran currently states:

    1. Qur'an (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" - An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom [from the OLD Testament]. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (The story is also repeated in suras 27 and 29).

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    I'm about to write a LOT, but it's good information and personal experiences that which I am using to base my ideology on (in large part). If you truly care to understand and debate these issues, read on. If not, just skip it. Either way, I apologize in advance, but the topic of black culture/education and their influences on White youth/education can tend to get a little long !

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    The vast majority of what Brian has said isn't even remotely backed up by anything but talk. "Uh, whites can't learn because blacks are flowing in the classroom and beating on desks!"
    Once AGAIN, that was an example from my personal life. I also went through High School (and being in a military family, I had the pleasure of trying out quite a few of them). And the one thing that was consistent between South Carolina, Georgia, and Utah, was minorities being incredibly disruptive and disrespectful towards the teacher during class. I DID have a difficult time learning because of it (but somehow still managed to do well), and I am currently experiencing the same issues in Community College here in SoCal! So yes, I do believe my personal experiences count for something of a statistic, and I will use them as such. It is WIDELY known that minorities significantly outnumber White people in the disrespect/disruption department (as can be seen in the overwhelming minority population in Prison as well, since criminal behavior usually stems from a lack of respect in the first place, meaning you don't assault someone you respect except for extreme circumstances). Perhaps because I've had the opportunity to live in many minority-centered cities, as well as Whiter cities, I might have some room to state some personal observations as facts (considering I have lived in all over the country, including AZ, SD, SC, GA, UT, CA).

    1. In SC, I remember a White girl at my school got slashed in the face with a razor blade because she said a black girl's hairstyle didn't look right, and that's also where I got choked with the barbed wire by those black guys (among other things). Things were so bad we had a police department INSIDE the school...
    2. In GA, we had a police department/jail INSIDE the school...
    3. Come to think about it, my Community College ALSO has a police department/detainment facility INSIDE the school! Hmmm.

    So the only states that had schools (that I've been to) that weren't disruptive (other than the occasional fight...which I only heard about but never saw) and had no need for its' own, internal police department/detainment facility were in SD and UT (and coincidentally, they didn't have police stations inside them either) Hmmm. I just KNOW there's a reason for that to be gleamed from this information and previous posts that could hypothesize why that would be.

    I was born in Phoenix, which is why I didn't include that state in the discussion, except to say I remember picking up an ounce of Coke at the bus stop (the day before my neighborhood friend (we were 8 years old) got kidnapped). My dad had to take it back to the bus stop and pray nothing would happen to us. The only thing consistent...we lived in low-income housing surrounded by Mexicans (exclusively). Didn't much care for that culture either, but at least they left us alone (back then they did anyways, and for the most part that still seems to hold true).

    Luckily, I got a great education in SD, and in the private schools in SC (I went to Catholic school from 4th-7th and 9.5th-10th grades, and public school the rest of the time) that I was able to build off of those great foundations to fill in the education gaps of public school, and become the man I am today. My education in public school sucked donkey balls, and yes, I WILL attribute that to the disruptive behavior of the minorities, because in every school I have EVER been enrolled in (4 different High Schools) the White kids were always keeping to themselves, and the blacks were always rapping or talking to each other (loudly) throughout class. That's not to say the White kids were paying attention and being good kids (because we all know Teenagers are Hellions), but at least they weren't being disruptive in class, and at least respected the teacher enough to do what he said.

    And as far as your "White kids being problems" example, are they trying to be black? I know that sounds bigoted as Hell, but allow me to explain what I'm getting at. As I have stated previously, society paints White people as either dumb, gay, girly (if male), or all of them, basically putting Whites in an unappealing light. While at the same time painting blacks as strong, masculine, athletic, bossy, Alpha-Male, Gangster, authoritative, etc. etc. And with the way children are being indoctrinated in school with this multiculturalism BS, they begin to "realize" that they'd be "cooler" to emulate the people that society deems as "cool" (such as LL Cool J, Lil Wayne, Pimp C, Tupac, Biggie, etc.) And it is inevitable that when White people adopt that culture/lifestyle, they become disruptive and disrespectful (the same as when blacks embrace that culture). And yet, when we see White people living the same culture the same way we see black people living it, it's embarassing. But hey, don't worry, it's "cool" for the black guy to do it. That is the reason I want to raise my family AWAY from that culture, so my children grow up to be proud of who they are and THEIR heritage. The double standard is pretty obvious to ANYONE that is willing to see it (ever heard someone say "Sheeit, that White boy tryin' ta be gangsta"? That's because we all know only black people can be viewed, acceptably, as gangsters right. Think about what those quotes are REALLY saying...Theirs is NOT a culture to be mixed with ours.

    Children/Teenagers are impressionable, and at young ages their moral compasses have not yet been firmly established. I will tell you that RAP and the people that listen to it/the people I was hanging out with are THE reason I started doing and selling drugs (I was actually arrested for distribution at a very young age), and causing problems (I was the little White kid that just wanted to be cool and be accepted). I really bought into how cool it was to be a drug dealer, and kill people, and do drugs, and skip school, and all that ****. I actually ended up buying a stolen .22 longrifle for $200 at a pretty young age, with every intention of killing my drug dealer (thank GOD I had a long-time buddy that was able to intervene, albeit unknowingly). Human life just didn't really matter much to me at that time (I am so grateful that is no longer the case). And all because the Rap music and the people I was hanging around prompted my moral compass to veer off into no-where land. I definitely didn't get the ideas from my family (wonderful, loving, Air Force parents), nor from my White friends as we were learning to program our computers (the old 286 with the Turbo button ). And seeing as how those ideas came from somewhere, it had to be either the Rap music directly, or through the people I was associating with who also listened to Rap). And we all know teenagers become rebellious, but for me to have taken those direct paths, it had to be a cultural thing, that which was not from my family's culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post

    Again though you are the only one saying those. I have no interest in being segrated, but understand that others (including most minorities) do feel that way. Nobody said a majority of them are violent, just that they are more violent than their % of population. You repeatedly said that there was no black on white hate crimes, we just showed that there are, and its far more common for a black person to commit one proportionately than a white person.

    you began with personal attacks on my reading comprehension, I merely followed suit. Perhaps you should take another look at your own discussion style first and avoid making ad hominem attacks if you don't like them being used against you as well.
    Honestly I think you came into the conversation without reading Brian's original points. If you did then you certainly have seemed to disagree with most of them (as have I). As for my "personal attacks" all I've said is please read a little more carefully. NEVER have I said black on white hate crimes don't happen and this is at least the third time you've said I have. All I have asked is that you quit building up strawmen. Either you haven't been following along with the conversation since it's start (which is what seems) or you haven't been reading carefully. I've questioned your comprehension because you keep saying things I never said.

    Again, where have I argued things like this? I have never said minorities should get preferential treatment. I have merely said Brian appears to be much more discouraged by negative things that happen by blacks than whites. ANY citizen should be angry at crime. Why the hell does the color of their skin matter? If a girl is raped we should be irate whether it was a black, hispanic, white, or any other race. Brian's way actually makes things worse by continuing the wars between people based on their skin color. He says he has no respect for black people, but wants them to respect him. What kind of sense does that make? It makes sense to you for him to say "I'm a racist, I hate black culture, but all I want is them to respect white people."

    Really? Honestly, who do you think makes the problem worse? Someone who says society should be separated because black culture has caused all of our problems or someone who says all races commit crimes, we should work to lower the crime committed by all people as I say. I just want your honest opinion. I'm completely opposed to any reverse racism, affirmative action type stuff that continues the cycle of separating expectations of people based on skin color. I would be all for getting rid of hate crimes. I completely agree with you when you say who cares a dead person by a baseball bat is a dead person by a baseball bat.

    And you've been saying "Brian's not saying that" but then being surprised when I quote him. Go back to page 5. He has said he's racist, said the culture's don't mix, blamed black people for damn near everything, said we should have segregation, etc. Brian couldn't be making it more clear that he despises blacks on the whole. His use of slang terms to talk as apparently all blacks talk is downright disturbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    And as far as your "White kids being problems" example, are they trying to be black? I know that sounds bigoted as Hell, but allow me to explain what I'm getting at. As I have stated previously, society paints White people as either dumb, gay, girly (if male), or all of them, basically putting Whites in an unappealing light. While at the same time painting blacks as strong, masculine, athletic, bossy, Alpha-Male, Gangster, authoritative, etc. etc. And with the way children are being indoctrinated in school with this multiculturalism BS, they begin to "realize" that they'd be "cooler" to emulate the people that society deems as "cool" (such as LL Cool J, Lil Wayne, Pimp C, Tupac, Biggie, etc.) And it is inevitable that when White people adopt that culture/lifestyle, they become disruptive and disrespectful (the same as when blacks embrace that culture). And yet, when we see White people living the same culture the same way we see black people living it, it's embarassing. But hey, don't worry, it's "cool" for the black guy to do it. That is the reason I want to raise my family AWAY from that culture, so my children grow up to be proud of who they are and THEIR heritage. The double standard is pretty obvious to ANYONE that is willing to see it (ever heard someone say "Sheeit, that White boy tryin' ta be gangsta"? That's because we all know only black people can be viewed, acceptably, as gangsters right. Think about what those quotes are REALLY saying...Theirs is NOT a culture to be mixed with ours.
    In rural Kansas MOST of these kids haven't had almost any contact with other races. Out of a few hundred kids we have 5 black kids I believe. It's one of the most conservative areas in the entire state (and it's a damn conservative state). I have all sorts of white kids with problems like apathy, parents are broke and don't work, uneducated, etc.

    But I suppose that's black cultures fault right? I mean all the problems started happening when we freed the slaves right? Er, when black culture started to happen. Your answer to every problem in society is really "black people's fault." Amazing. I can't believe someone as educated as Easy appears to be would side with you on anything.

    So since you've quoted rap lyrics and the like, what about something like Columbine? Where the WHITE kids listened to hard rock by white people and played games made by white people. How exactly was that black people's fault again? You know white hard rock and white death metal has some pretty disturbing lyrics as well.

    But you know, let's ignore putting any of the blame on anyone that isn't black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Libertarian doesn't only mean small government (in fact, you can be Libertarian and Big Government). However, Libertarians believe in personal Liberties first-and-foremost, and that the Government shall NEVER infringe on those liberties , regardless of how big it gets (hence the name). You believe it is acceptable to infringe on the baby's right to life, my right to property by taking my money to pay for someone else's education/indoctrination, and my Freedom of Association by saying that we cannot have All-White establishments ANYWHERE in America (apparently for you, it's only acceptable if I go off into the woods somewhere and live a secluded life, rather than respecting my right to associate with my OWN culture). You don't have to support FORCED separation of water fountains, but if you truly were a Libertarian, you would support my right to build an establishment that did. Anywho, for those keeping score, that's 3 for 3 violations of the Constitution (life, liberty, and property), meaning you are okay with infringing on the THREE things that have been Constitutionally protected in the since it's inception. What concerns me the most is that you feel you are somehow qualified to tell me how to live my life (or you wouldn't believe what you believe). If you believed that no one had the right to infringe on those freedoms, you would then believe they were wrong, and you don't. You really don't seem very Libertarian to me (you seem more Liberal Republican, which is fine if that's where you stand). I'm really not attacking you here, but it does seem that your stated viewpoints are mutually exclusive with the term Libertarian.
    --Brian
    Do you know what a libertarian is? Do you know their party stance says: Abortion is a woman's choice and should not involve the state. Repeal all laws against homosexuality. Right to freedom of expression includes pornography. Doesn't seem as if this party sits well with your Christian values.

    I'm not saying I'm 100% the same as the libertarian party, but I'm much more libertarian than I am anything else. I'm not a righty because I'm anti forced religion, pro gay marriage, pro legalization of pot, etc. And I'm not a liberal (as much as you'd love me to be) because I'm extremely fiscally conservative. I would LOVE to cut our defense budget, decrease entitlement spending, and I'm opposed to stimulus in the terms of government spending.

    Clearly I disagree with some things especially in regards to education. Mainly because I believe the benefits of requiring schooling outweigh the negatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    And what exactly were you referring to in: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html? Are you implying that any Christians actually live by the OLD Testament? If you knew anything about Christians, you would know that the OLD Testament was meant to prepare the Jews for the COMING of the Messiah. The NEW Testament is a reflection on the life of Jesus, as well as how we are to live our lives TODAY! If you want to quote Bible verses as they apply to a Christian of TODAY, you should probably use the part of the Bible that shapes our daily lives (the New Testament), rather than the historical part of the Bible that applied to the Jews BEFORE Jesus was born (the Old Testament). Here is what the Quran currently states:

    1. Qur'an (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" - An account that is borrowed from the Biblical story of Sodom [from the OLD Testament]. Muslim scholars through the centuries have interpreted the "rain of stones" on the town as meaning that homosexuals should be stoned, since no other reason is given for the people's destruction. (The story is also repeated in suras 27 and 29).

    Need I say more?
    --Brian
    Actually Christians have used the OLD testament for all sorts of actions. So you're allowed to pick and choose what you want from the Qur'an, but you say all Christians ignore the bad parts of the Bible? Interesting how that works. You also just skipped over the Christian terrorist link. Clearly not ALL Christians are interpreting the Bible as you are.

    Luckily not only can you speak for how all blacks act, but now you know how all Christians act. Damn you're good.

    And ooopsie, the New Testament promotes violence as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence

    But I know all of that is interpretation which people will use differently. Clearly my parents haven't interpreted those verses as to be evil just as many Muslims haven't interpreted the Quaran to do violence. Once again when YOU paint all people in broad brush strokes you will always be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    Actually Christians have used the OLD testament for all sorts of actions. So you're allowed to pick and choose what you want from the Qur'an, but you say all Christians ignore the bad parts of the Bible? Interesting how that works. You also just skipped over the Christian terrorist link. Clearly not ALL Christians are interpreting the Bible as you are.

    Luckily not only can you speak for how all blacks act, but now you know how all Christians act. Damn you're good.
    Well. As I stated, Christians don't LIVE the Old Testament (that's why it's called the "Old Testament"). Do some Christians sometimes act out the things found in the Old Testament? Sure they do. But to say they are Christian terrorists is crazy, because they are not following Church teachings! The Quran, on the other hand, currently teaches the things I have previously stated. If a Muslim were to stone a homosexual (or carry out an Honor Killing), he would be following the Quran and staying true to the religion. The "Old Testament" was a Covenant between the Jews and God, promising salvation if followed. When Jesus was born, crucified, and born again, he brought the Covenant to a close ("For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity, and formed a new covenant between God and the Jews": Ephesians 2:15). Again, according to Christianity, we do not live the Old Testament, as Jesus completed the Old Testament and a NEW Covenant was formed (the New Testament). And since the Quran is based on the Old Testament in the Christian Bibles, but does not have a "New Testament" (as far as I'm aware), they still operate under the barbaric Old Testament commandments. And no, I can't speak for all Christians, but since I'm Catholic, I can speak for myself and MY religion. And you, who I can only assume is not religious, seem perfectly comfortable speaking for all Christians...which is more of a stretch?

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    Do you know what a libertarian is? Do you know their party stance says: Abortion is a woman's choice and should not involve the state. Repeal all laws against homosexuality. Right to freedom of expression includes pornography.

    I'm not saying I'm 100% the same as the libertarian party, but I'm much more libertarian than I am anything else. I'm not a righty because I'm anti forced religion, pro gay marriage, pro legalization of pot, etc. And I'm not a liberal (as much as you'd love me to be) because I'm extremely fiscally conservative.

    Clearly I disagree with some things especially in regards to education. Mainly because I believe the benefits of requiring schooling outweigh the negatives.
    So you believe a baby doesn't have any inalienable rights? Otherwise, you are saying a woman has the right to deny that baby the Right to Life. I have no problem with pornography, as all adults were consenting in the process. I'm also against forced religion, but I believe that if I want to pray at school, sports events, take up donations for church at PTA bake sales, etc. I should be allowed to.

    You do realize that "Liberal" does not automatically denote a Democrat, right? Many Independents are fiscally conservative AND socially Liberal. But the fact that you're not a Republican, nor a Democrat, does not make you a Libertarian by default, as Libertarians are concerned more with social policy than Economic policy. You seem to have that backwards. With the information you've provided, I tend to believe you are more of a Fiscally-Conservative Liberal Democrat (they do exist...the "party of Kennedy").

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    In rural Kansas MOST of these kids haven't had almost any contact with other races. Out of a few hundred kids we have 5 black kids I believe. It's one of the most conservative areas in the entire state (and it's a damn conservative state). I have all sorts of white kids with problems like apathy, parents are broke and don't work, uneducated, etc.

    But I suppose that's black cultures fault right? I mean all the problems started happening when we freed the slaves right? Er, when black culture started to happen. Your answer to every problem in society is really "black people's fault." Amazing. I can't believe someone as educated as Easy appears to be would side with you on anything.

    So since you've quoted rap lyrics and the like, what about something like Columbine? Where the WHITE kids listened to hard rock by white people and played games made by white people. How exactly was that black people's fault again? You know white hard rock and white death metal has some pretty disturbing lyrics as well.

    But you know, let's ignore putting any of the blame on anyone that isn't black.
    So you have problems with White kids that don't give a ****. Okay, that'll happen wherever you go. They're kids...in School! But I guarantee you they are NOT being anywhere near as disruptive as the kids I'm referring to. As far as Columbine goes, ONCE AGAIN, Columbine didn't TARGET black people! In fact, only ONE black kid died (no other blacks were even wounded): http://acolumbinesite.com/victim/isaiah.html. So out of 13 victims, ONE was black, and you're using this example to counter my arguments showing nearly 100% black aggressors/100% White victims!?! That's kinda crazy!

    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    He says he has no respect for black people, but wants them to respect him. What kind of sense does that make? It makes sense to you for him to say "I'm a racist, I hate black culture, but all I want is them to respect white people."

    Really? Honestly, who do you think makes the problem worse? Someone who says society should be separated because black culture has caused all of our problems or someone who says all races commit crimes, we should work to lower the crime committed by all people as I say. I just want your honest opinion. I'm completely opposed to any reverse racism, affirmative action type stuff that continues the cycle of separating expectations of people based on skin color. I would be all for getting rid of hate crimes. I completely agree with you when you say who cares a dead person by a baseball bat is a dead person by a baseball bat.

    And you've been saying "Brian's not saying that" but then being surprised when I quote him. Go back to page 5. He has said he's racist, said the culture's don't mix, blamed black people for damn near everything, said we should have segregation, etc. Brian couldn't be making it more clear that he despises blacks on the whole. His use of slang terms to talk as apparently all blacks talk is downright disturbing.
    I never said I have no respect for black people, nor have I said that I "am racist", but rather I "am becoming racist". "Becoming" is the operative word there, meaning I am more than willing to reintroduce myself to other cultures once they stop seeing White people as a mere inconvenience (or worse). I have always accepted minorities, and become friends with them, and once these problems are addressed, I fully intend on continuing to do the same. But until then, I believe it would be best to keep my distance. I have said they have a problem within their culture they need to sort out regarding the way they view Whites, and until they do, I want to keep my distance, since I have no control over the way they see White people (these changes are all up to them should they decide to make them). And when I said I want them to respect White people, I meant that I want them to respect us the same way they would respect someone else of their own race, and with normal human dignity (rather than as a mere walking ATM/inconvenience like they do now), and you know that. Quit twisting my words because it's getting old. And what difference does it make if I segregate myself or not, either way, no one is even remotely attempting to solve the problems I've laid out (hence why I want to segregate). And as far as our culture's not mixing...very few cultures mix well. We do best to enjoy each other's culture while keeping our own. The problem lies in the fact that other cultures are receiving preferential treatment over my own. And I only blamed black CULTURE for RACIALLY MOTIVATED VIOLENCE towards White people. Never have I said they are the foundation to every problem in society. Just that their Culture is not really conducive to the European culture, and they will not mix well (nor have they). And I'm assuming you've lived in Rural Kansas for at least the better part of your life. If so, you should try branching out so you could at least witness what I've been laying out, especially considering your area is extremely conservative and White.
    --Brian
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    My slang vocabulary is on point, and the majority of blacks that I've run into do, in fact, speak that way (and there are a lot of blacks where I live). Ever since my first post, you have had a goal to depict me as some kind of murderous, genocidal, Hitler-loving, redneck lynch-lover, and that's just not the case. I love everybody equally as my brother, but I'm sorry, I'm not going to turn a blind eye to the glaringly obvious facts that our out there anymore. You can choose to if you'd like, that's your prerogative. I have no intention of telling you what to do, but you seem to be very critical about what I do, regardless of the reasons and how much evidence I provide to support those reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi
    And ooopsie, the New Testament promotes violence as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_violence

    But I know all of that is interpretation which people will use differently. Clearly my parents haven't interpreted those verses as to be evil just as many Muslims haven't interpreted the Quaran to do violence. Once again when YOU paint all people in broad brush strokes you will always be wrong.
    "Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to them the other also" (Matthew 6:39)
    "Put your sword back in its place.. for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)
    "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
    "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you" (Matthew 5:43-48, Luke 6:27-28)
    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31)

    These are the true messages of the New Testament. The other quotes on that WikePedia article were taken out of context to serve a purpose.
    --Brian
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    Well. As I stated, Christians don't LIVE the Old Testament (that's why it's called the "Old Testament"). The "Old Testament" was a Covenant between the Jews and God, promising salvation if followed. When Jesus was born, crucified, and born again, he brought the Covenant to a close ("For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity, and formed a new covenant between between God and the Jews": Ephesians 2:15). Again, according to Christianity, we do not live the Old Testament, as Jesus completed the Old Testament and a NEW Covenant was formed (the New Testament). And since the Quran is based on the Old Testament in the Christian Bibles, but does not have a "New Testament" (as far as I'm aware), they still operate under the barbaric Old Testament commandments. And no, I can't speak for all Christians, but since I'm Catholic, I can speak for myself and MY religion. And you, who I can only assume is not religious, seem perfectly comfortable speaking for all Christians...which is more of a stretch?
    You are really mixing things up. First you point out a statement for how Muslims should think/act from it's book, then I point out that you can do the same thing with Christianity and you dodge? Where have I said I speak for all Christians? I've said I have an issue with you speaking for all Muslims (by just pointing out one verse), all blacks (by condemning them for all bad behavior)

    My issue with you all along has been your need to put everyone in a category. When you say our cultures don't mix, when you say we should kill all illegals, it's always "the blacks" that come out with a response like that, black people keep kids from learning, etc you are ALWAYS going to be wrong. For the simple fact that you've taken a huge population and said "this is how they act." It's false from the get go. You keep IGNORING this flatly. Some blacks are violent, some hispanics are violent, some white people are violent (even though you think they wouldn't be without blacks, whites were killing each other before they met black people). Some Muslims are terrorists, some Christians are terrorists.

    All I ever asked for you to point out was how you could say we need to segregate based on a small percentage of people acting a certain way. I don't think we should get rid of Christianity merely because some people kill in it's name anymore than I think Columbine shouldn't have let white kids go to school because a few crazy white kids lost it.

    Your targeting argument is BS at its heart. A very small amount of people target others because of their race. Some of these people are black, some are white. A very small amount of Christians and Muslims are terrorists. Yet you consistently want to group everyone in the same category.

    As for the baby argument, I don't think the state should tell a woman what to do with her body. I think when life begins is very much up for debate.

    As for your "respect" of blacks, you say that but you're pretty quick to dismiss everything as their fault. I've been to many other areas in my life and taught in a school that was inner city. And wouldn't you know it, NOT ALL BLACKS ACTED THE SAME. Shocking huh? If you respect blacks it seems to be about as much as I respect the rights of flies. But usually racist people (excuse me, people becoming racist) like to say things like "no I don't hate blacks, I just wish they were all gone!"

    And that is my last post in this thread. Good luck with the all white society. The rest of us will be living in 2011 while you reminisce about 1940.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diablosho View Post
    "Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to them the other also" (Matthew 6:39)
    "Put your sword back in its place.. for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" (Matthew 26:52)
    "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)
    "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you" (Matthew 5:43-48, Luke 6:27-28)
    "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31)

    These are the true messages of the New Testament. The other quotes on that WikePedia article were taken out of context to serve a purpose.
    --Brian
    Excuse me I think you meant to say "this is what I interpret to be the true messages of the New Testament." And you think I'm trying to speak for all Christians?! Laughable. You're literally telling me this is what all Christians believe multiple times. Clearly the Westboro Baptist Church is reading the Bible a little differently from most other Christians. But it's cool for you to ignore that right? You're pretty good at ignoring anything that has flown in the face of you hating blacks.

    Bye now!
  

  
 

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