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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Australian made View Post
    If i dont pay for it, it is free.

    I have no idea what a WHO is....
    That would be the World Health Organization... and it might be free to YOU if YOU aren't paying for it, but nothing is free in this world. Somebody always has to pay.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Why aren't they being reemployed? Has the well of human want run dry, and no one wants anything they can provide? Doubtful. So why do they remain unemployed?

    And your statement that rich people live off the poor is ridiculous, people live off of each other. Where would all those workers be without the machines that allowed them to manufacture 100 widgets per hour as opposed to 10 per hour so they're labor is more in demand? Who provided the factory? The salaries in advance of sales? Etc. etc.
    I am not sure what you are talking about? Are you blind? I said that many low wage workers are the main tool of the rich. Walk into any Walmart and ask anyone what their pay is, 90 percent will say minimum wage. The managers salaries are a bit better...assistants 38-60, co-mngrs 60-75, store mngrs 100,000-225,000.

    That compares to nothing when talking about regional mngr and vice presidents of the Co.
    The fact that you would say I am lying is unheard of to me.
    Why would you deny something so blatant? So you are saying that the rich got rich by purely hard work? So, let's see, none of them ever abused any workers? None of them ever took overtime from any workers or worked them off of the clock? Yeah, that's why walmart has one of the highest class action incidents in the industry.

    Any and every respectable ceo, owner, store level manager will bet their lives that they could not be where they are if not for "the little" people...i am not sure wtf type of world you live in where you can deny what I am typing is inaccurate. I never said all people with money are like this, I said a large portion.
    If you deny this then you are blind as hell dude.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Just for laughs, what is unfair about that? For starters, you would have had to make your religious beliefs known in some way for them to say that, which is a silly idea before having a job. Secondly, why shouldn't a person who owns a private business be allowed to pick and choose who he hires by whatever means he wants since he owns the business? Do you think that if everyone is a mormon for instance that a person who isn't would fit into the company culture anyhow?
    Lol, easy, I used to be a hiring mngr, people ask those q, though it is against policy to do so. They noticed something of my attire and they asked me so I told them, wtf? was I going to lie, hell no! The truth would have come out in a few weeks anyway.

    If the policy states that you must go barefoot to enter this establishment and I say no, I am wearing my shoes then they have a right to throw me out. You are correct....however, if the rules state, dress shoes must be worn then they have no right to throw me out because I have on boots but not dress shoes. Who's to say that boots aren't dress shoes in my culture?
    Take costco for example. Costco has a public policy that states that they do not discriminate against religion, race or sex. It is public policy and they also state that anyone found in violation of this rule will be met with significant punishment.
    Ok, if a mngr denies a person more qualified but is a female, for some guy that know squat, that is in direct violation of company policy. I am not talking morally, I am talking legally here. And, what usually happens is what happened in my area, lawsuit, settlement, mngr fired, simple.

    On another note, morally, is it ok for me to say that I am not going to sell supplements to blacks or whites or I am not going to do computer work for blacks or whites just because I "hear" blacks steal and whites are trash?
    That would be me being prejudice by stereotyping a race. Is this "acceptable" behavior? No, It:s not.
    Discrimination should not be acceptable.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by bigrobbierob View Post
    IMO it's more akin to moving to Alaska and complaining it's cold than comparing it to polygamy. Though I guess I could use polygamy in it to say if you move to Utah don't be surprised if you see a guy with multiple wives. When in a place where certain things shouldn't be surprising, then don't be surprised when certain things happen.



    Hmm....Criticize me for stereotyping then stereotype me and jump to unfounded conclusions yourself.
    Ok, I will not stereotype you, let us make it easier ... do you have a particular dislike for people of a different race just based on their race or sex?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    my problem is that like always for every 1 who deserves help there are 50-100 that don't, but will abuse the system to sponge off others. And then they will raise children who believe that is right, and do the same. You can see this issue if you look at Liverpool in the UK for instance. They call these programs entitlements because once a person starts using them, they begin to believe they are entitled to the free money.

    And TexasTitan was correct in some ways on health care. Is there some reason anyone but the person themselves should pay for health care for issues related to smoking, drinking alcohol, overeating and not exercising? those are all issues 100% within the person's own control that they need to take responsibility for. People complain about how expensive healthcare is, but forget that even 30 years ago if you were diagnosed with high blood pressure and bad cholesterol, your choice would be to die, or to get your diet under control and exercise. Now people end up on 3 different pharmaceuticals to control that instead, and never even bother with the exercise or diet control. There is no reason why 1 penny of my earned $ should go towards paying for those prescriptions. Particularly with there already being other programs for those who are in need, and that we've reached the point where a greater percentage of people are overweight than are healthy weights.
    Yeah but when's the last time you seen a GP recommend exercise without also trying this new expensive drug on the side? 3yrs ago my gp tried to do that and I was like hell no, I don't need those meds I can get my choles under control. he said I couldn't without drugs, ok? my choles is as low as it has been it 8 yrs.
    Everyone can't be like you and I, Easy. Then when you have an "authority" figure pushing "take this magic pill" people's actions get skewed severely. You agree? Those docs aren't innocent in all of this either you know.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Lol, easy, I used to be a hiring mngr, people ask those q, though it is against policy to do so. They noticed something of my attire and they asked me so I told them, wtf? was I going to lie, hell no! The truth would have come out in a few weeks anyway.
    So you wore a visible religious item/piece of clothing and are surprised you weren't hired? I wouldn't have hired you either, regardless of what the item is, as that is an unprofessional way to dress for an interview. Watch, wedding ring and college ring are all that is acceptable for an interview jewelery wise if it happened to be a chain.

    "the truth would have come out in a few weeks anyway" is ridiculous, I've worked at places as long as 5 years with nobody knowing about my religious choices. Thats what being a professional is, separating your personal feelings from your job.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Yeah but when's the last time you seen a GP recommend exercise without also trying this new expensive drug on the side? 3yrs ago my gp tried to do that and I was like hell no, I don't need those meds I can get my choles under control. he said I couldn't without drugs, ok? my choles is as low as it has been it 8 yrs.
    Everyone can't be like you and I, Easy. Then when you have an "authority" figure pushing "take this magic pill" people's actions get skewed severely. You agree? Those docs aren't innocent in all of this either you know.
    I've seen it every time. the doctor first recommends changing diet + exercise, and if the person says I can't or don't have time, or says they'll try and comes back the same on a retest 3 months later the doctor writes the prescription. Unless your cholesterol was so far skewed that the doctor felt there would be no way to bring it to normal in a reasonable amount of time by diet + exercise alone, I can't imagine them starting at the prescription. Heck, even when my first blood tests came back with low testosterone, the doctor wanted to try me on diet changes and exercise first.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by bigrobbierob View Post

    When in a place where certain things shouldn't be surprising, then don't be surprised when certain things happen.
    Did you see an emocon which I posted that signified that I was surprised?
    Let us say disappointed and disgusted.
    You're not the type to just "go with the flow" are you? This is how you are coming off. I mean, just fron what you type. Sterotypical maybe, but if a man holds a gun to my head then I'm going to assume he's a killer or potentially one.

  9. Easy, I have never in my life met a doctor that only suggested exercise and no probability for medications in the future. When I typed "on the sdie", I didn't mean immediately, I am on my phone so my character length is not as much as on the computer. That was for "space saving" sakes.. You have said it yourself, doctors (many of them) are in it for the money.
    Every time you turn around a doc is trying to stick a pill in someone's mouth. It's the way. You have said it many times that docs like to treat symptoms and not the cause ...
    As far as the religious situation, no I didn't wear a chain, lmao.
    And yes, it would have come out eventually. You have no idea what line I was in so you cannot truthfully say it could have stayed a secret. The first time my direct mngr would have come to my house for work reasons which happens often for others, it would have been blatantly clear.
    Policy stated they did not discriminate against race, sex, or religion. Now, I am not an idiot here. I worked as a hiring mngr and I know how easy it is to lie to someone and make up a reason for not hiring someone. I was told to do so before but I didn't. This isn't my character. I believe in fairness.

    Are you in denial of prejudice happenings around this country? I am asking do you say that it doesn't exist anymore? I have friends that say racism doesn't exist anymore because people don't go around beating up whites, calling them honky and hanging blacks...unreal.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    Easy, I have never in my life met a doctor that only suggested exercise and no probability for medications in the future. When I typed "on the sdie", I didn't mean immediately, I am on my phone so my character length is not as much as on the computer. That was for "space saving" sakes.. You have said it yourself, doctors (many of them) are in it for the money.
    Every time you turn around a doc is trying to stick a pill in someone's mouth. It's the way. You have said it many times that docs like to treat symptoms and not the cause ...
    I disagree. I had issues with cholesterol, first thing was diet and exercise... she didnt even seem concerned and had full faith it would right itself with upping my cardio. Didnt even worry about a retest for months, and low and behold, she was right. Didnt even mention meds.

    Same thing with BP, my family has a genetic history with high BP, and I was borderline. It wasnt for a few visits that she put me on a very low dose diuretic that keeps me in check.

    And I know someone that went through the Test thing as well and gave it a few visits before discussing prescriptions.

    I don't know if you are leaned on with liberal talking points, but I have yet to meet a doctor that is all about throwing pills down your throat. I have a few docs in the family and they have quite an aversion to pills if they can treat in other ways.
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  11. I've never in my life met a doctor who didn't suggest exercise and diet changes first. Of course they don't leave "no probability for medications" as they have to treat reality. So if the patient refuses to or for some reason can't make the changes to diet and exercise the doctor still needs to treat them.

    And still my point stands that unless you are applying for a job at a religious institution you shouldn't wear anything that denotes religious context at an interview. Not sure what sort of job it was that they would come to your house, but even so if they found out then it was after you are already hired.

    Prejudice happens and always will happen. Prejudice is any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. People will always have preconceptions, some true, some false, some favorable, some unfavorable. Do you make friends by quota system? Are the people you have at your hourse for a BBQ chosen to make sure their % makeup matches the local census? No. When a hiring manager gets 400 applications for 1 position, he has to use "prejudice" to remove 380-390 of them so that he only has to interview 10-20. Then he is going to use prejudice again as he's interviewing to think about from what he manages to tell in the span of the interview how he thinks the person will fit into the environment, and how he'll perform in the future to clip the list down to 3 or so for final interview. I wouldn't even want that to change, much less think it should.

  12. Just for the record, E, there is/was a gigantic board and in the employee code book which read "we will make every reasonable attempt to support your relifious beliefs".

    They, themselves (corporate office), said it was being in direct violation of a stated public policy. The company called me back and offered me the job (after being choked by their corp) but I declined.

  13. Well, I still think that unless its a religious institution you are applying at, that its unprofessional to dress in a WWJD t-shirt or whatever it was

    But like i said its sort of odd, as with myself i've had **** I dunno, 15-20 jobs since I turned 18? and not in one did my religious beliefs ever come up.

  14. hardknock, are you black?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    hardknock, are you black?
    not completely, no. A small portion yes

  16. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    not completely, no. A small portion yes
    This could be taken so many different ways.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Well, I still think that unless its a religious institution you are applying at, that its unprofessional to dress in a WWJD t-shirt or whatever it was

    But like i said its sort of odd, as with myself i've had **** I dunno, 15-20 jobs since I turned 18? and not in one did my religious beliefs ever come up.
    You have had 20 jobs since you turned 18, and you are now 42????

    It goes to show you how our situations are black and white. For me it seems inconceivable to have 20 jobs in that period of time. I, myself, since 16, have had 6, not including working in my pops construction business for a year at 16. I suppose for you, my situation where religion always comes up is just as surprising as for me about your number of jobs.

    Perhaps that is a norm? I do not know about it if it is. I figured 8-9 would be a max unless we are talking with a temp service?

    But, it's odd that your religious beliefs have never come up. The last place I was working at, me and this girl of Jewish religion argued at least 3-4 times a week about religion. At my current job, it comes up at least 5 times a day due to the fact that we provide service to a church with one of the largest denominations in the South East, Frazier Memorial Methodist in Montgomery Alabama. So, these types of discussions and differences of opinion spur every day from where I work. I get at least, AT LEAST, 5 people a day approaching me with some card or book, pamphlet, and how their version of religion is the supreme. I guess being in the heart of the bible belt promotes these types of situations also.
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  18. I'd have to really go through and do the math to figure out the # of jobs for sure. Ive had 8 since 2000 anyhow. Its the way the tech field works so far as I can tell, someone staying anywhere a long time is relatively rare. For a large part of it, its because you master the skills in use/needed in that company, and start to get bored I think. Of all those jobs, none were layoffs. one was a company closing though. Each of the others were my choice to leave.
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