So my live-in girlfriend's older sister came home for Christmas...
- 01-02-2010, 01:42 PM
Minimum wage was originally established as a minimum wage to pay skilled workers - journeyman level and above. As the liberals forced it to apply to all workers it became less and less meaningful. Jobs than an animal can do don't deserve a high wage. Jobs where you have significant training and expertise to do deserve decent pay.
- 01-02-2010, 04:22 PM
Hardknock, why dont you just run on a socialist retard platform? Im not even bothering with the other garbage you posted. I can make up scenarios too. Its great until you run out of other peoples money. You want to know the truth? Life isnt fair. And the more you try and make it fair, you more you **** over others. Why should I get into college over someone more qualified because I have a different skin color? I see conditional racism is welcomed. Why should I be punished because my dad worked in real estate while someone elses partied, took no initiative, and worked a dead end job? Why should he?
Why should I pay for the poors health insurance when I see countless people come into where I work and stuff themselves full of fatty greasy foods and take no interest in their health? Or the 44 year old "actor" who I know my social security and eventual free insurance will have to cover because he never did anything for himself? He followed his dreams and now he doesnt have any plans for retirement. Freedom gives us the ability to determine our own fate. Its not just...oh, only if you do good though. This is freedom. Aint that a bitch, being responsible. For all the people that get ****ed by the system there are infinite more that could have be successes and just didnt take the initiative. For every american without insurance, there are 3 more who have it. Why should that 1 in 4 get free **** because they cant afford it. Hey, I want a Z06. Do I get to have it because I cant afford it? The more you build up this, Im the victim, I want free money, I dont want to work hard to enjoy all the benefits mindset, the more you actually oppress the poor. Youre ***gy little hiptard system gives them the fish, let them teach themselves to be fishers. Its the only way theyll ever make something of themselves. Socialist states do not work.
01-02-2010, 10:27 PM
My sister in law has been in our house a week now, she brought a 36 pack suitcase of diet cokes and has literally laid around about 22 hours a day. She is like a piece of furniture that makes everything depressed in the house, and yea she is single with two cats and not hardly any friends. I was o.k. for the first few days, but after work tonight there she was laid out all over our couch again. Sorry to hijack but I feel a little better now....... Gotta love the holidays
01-03-2010, 10:48 AM
I used scenarios as points to what happens no matter the reason. But to say that no one deserves help no matter theri situation is a broad blanket statement which should not be used for every person, i.e elderly, disabled, mentally retarded ...i use my funds to help as many people that I can afford to help without putting myself into a struggle. I can't see why others cannot do the same.
I understand that this came about due to a taxation convo but as you can see, I am talking a much broader range here ...
01-03-2010, 10:53 AM
Bigrob, in some places it is legal to have multiple wives, here it isn't. Just because racism is "expected" in alabama, does that make it acceptable enough for you to "loled" at it? Shows strong character, ill say.
I've seen all races get the hook due to racist reasons, blacks, whites, latino, etc...
No one deserves to be denied anything due to a skin color, religion or sex.
However, since you think it is amusing, I now see what type of person you are or appear to be...thank you!
01-03-2010, 10:57 AM
01-03-2010, 11:02 AM
And we also get into some of the rougher questions at that point. Should someone on state support be allowed to get pregnant? should someone with a hereditary disability that leaves them unable to work be allowed to have children which will carry the same disability? I don't believe so, as for them to have that as a "right" means that my right to pursuit of happiness(keeping my income to spend how I choose) is being abridged.
There definitely are some people out there who through no fault of their own are in a predicament, yet i'd have to say that 99% of the people it was their own fault. Bernie Madroff's clients who lost money? They all went to him because they thought he had insider trading tips to create returns so much larger than any other investment person. People getting foreclosed on because they "thought" they'd figure out a way to refinance in 3 years after taking a screwball variable mortgage? They either knew the risks, or were too stupid to understand them and thus shouldn't be treated as adults as they apparently don't have the mental capacity, and foreclosure will help them avoid having to understand such complex things in the future by keeping their credit score low. As far as companies cutting back and unemployment? I don't recall it ever being a right to having a job anywhere but communist china + cuba.
01-03-2010, 11:05 AM
Texan, open your eyes and read instead of crying foul.
If a person is more qualified than another but is denied the job due to no real reasons and he is then told that "hey, we just don't agree with your religious beliefs so we can't hire you" then we are not talking about a fair system here. There is no "choice" given here. You can't make yourself be discriminated against. It doesn't happen that way for the most part.
Obviously if you come to an interview intoxicated or dressed like a hill billy or street thug then they have some reason to be concerned and that would be a foolish choice on your part to come out of attire.
The thing is that I agree with some of what you are saying but the rest is bs. No one, without need, should be given anything, however, there are people that cannot do so they must be taken care of. I go back to this, how far does your "not giving a damn about a human being" go?
You are saying we can't help elders, or the physically/mentally disabled? Many of your points need fine tuning.
01-03-2010, 11:10 AM
01-03-2010, 11:19 AM
One thing to note again about your comment bigrob...you are saying exactly what I feel is wrong. Billion dollar companies are outsourcing work to people making a pathetic wages in a foreign country. So I assume that you think that this is ok as long as it doesn't affect you, right?
You probably think that its funny too, right? Hmmm, somewhat hypocritical when discussing slave driving ... I am waiting on the argument that it is acceptable to work them like that "over there" or if it weren't for americans crying for more pay when they don't deserve it, it wouldn't be this way. Or my fav, the government has the system so screwed until company's are forced to seek cheap labor outside the U.S.
There's that word again, forced.
01-03-2010, 11:50 AM
You have a very skewed way of thinking, very one sided ... There could be countless reason why a person has to seek healthcare ... You are only looking at it from one perspective, at least from your post is what I gather.Why should I pay for the poors health insurance when I see countless people come into where I work and stuff themselves full of fatty greasy foods and take no interest in their health?
01-03-2010, 11:54 AM
01-03-2010, 12:51 PM
And TexasTitan was correct in some ways on health care. Is there some reason anyone but the person themselves should pay for health care for issues related to smoking, drinking alcohol, overeating and not exercising? those are all issues 100% within the person's own control that they need to take responsibility for. People complain about how expensive healthcare is, but forget that even 30 years ago if you were diagnosed with high blood pressure and bad cholesterol, your choice would be to die, or to get your diet under control and exercise. Now people end up on 3 different pharmaceuticals to control that instead, and never even bother with the exercise or diet control. There is no reason why 1 penny of my earned $ should go towards paying for those prescriptions. Particularly with there already being other programs for those who are in need, and that we've reached the point where a greater percentage of people are overweight than are healthy weights.
Also, the outsourcing of work to foreign countries is just another part of the supply/demand equation for wages. If its possible to get a job done for $1/2 x dollars an hour, who is going to pay $x ? You live that way yourself i'm sure, when you go to get a haircut, or any other service related activity you certainly look at the price and if the quality will be substantially the same you pick the lower cost. The problem is that people in the US have come to (since the 1970s) expect an artificially high standard of living. The skill level of the majority of americans hasn't improved substantially, yet their relative expectation of what luxury goods they should own just by having an unskilled job has gone up exponentially.
01-03-2010, 02:31 PM
Hmm....Criticize me for stereotyping then stereotype me and jump to unfounded conclusions yourself.However, since you think it is amusing, I now see what type of person you are or appear to be...thank you!
01-03-2010, 03:32 PM
Why aren't they being reemployed? Has the well of human want run dry, and no one wants anything they can provide? Doubtful. So why do they remain unemployed?
And your statement that rich people live off the poor is ridiculous, people live off of each other. Where would all those workers be without the machines that allowed them to manufacture 100 widgets per hour as opposed to 10 per hour so they're labor is more in demand? Who provided the factory? The salaries in advance of sales? Etc. etc.
01-03-2010, 03:58 PM
01-06-2010, 10:29 AM
That compares to nothing when talking about regional mngr and vice presidents of the Co.
The fact that you would say I am lying is unheard of to me.
Why would you deny something so blatant? So you are saying that the rich got rich by purely hard work? So, let's see, none of them ever abused any workers? None of them ever took overtime from any workers or worked them off of the clock? Yeah, that's why walmart has one of the highest class action incidents in the industry.
Any and every respectable ceo, owner, store level manager will bet their lives that they could not be where they are if not for "the little" people...i am not sure wtf type of world you live in where you can deny what I am typing is inaccurate. I never said all people with money are like this, I said a large portion.
If you deny this then you are blind as hell dude.
01-06-2010, 10:50 AM
If the policy states that you must go barefoot to enter this establishment and I say no, I am wearing my shoes then they have a right to throw me out. You are correct....however, if the rules state, dress shoes must be worn then they have no right to throw me out because I have on boots but not dress shoes. Who's to say that boots aren't dress shoes in my culture?
Take costco for example. Costco has a public policy that states that they do not discriminate against religion, race or sex. It is public policy and they also state that anyone found in violation of this rule will be met with significant punishment.
Ok, if a mngr denies a person more qualified but is a female, for some guy that know squat, that is in direct violation of company policy. I am not talking morally, I am talking legally here. And, what usually happens is what happened in my area, lawsuit, settlement, mngr fired, simple.
On another note, morally, is it ok for me to say that I am not going to sell supplements to blacks or whites or I am not going to do computer work for blacks or whites just because I "hear" blacks steal and whites are trash?
That would be me being prejudice by stereotyping a race. Is this "acceptable" behavior? No, It:s not.
Discrimination should not be acceptable.
01-06-2010, 10:58 AM
01-06-2010, 11:06 AM
Everyone can't be like you and I, Easy. Then when you have an "authority" figure pushing "take this magic pill" people's actions get skewed severely. You agree? Those docs aren't innocent in all of this either you know.
01-06-2010, 11:13 AM
"the truth would have come out in a few weeks anyway" is ridiculous, I've worked at places as long as 5 years with nobody knowing about my religious choices. Thats what being a professional is, separating your personal feelings from your job.
01-06-2010, 11:17 AM
01-06-2010, 11:28 AM
Let us say disappointed and disgusted.
You're not the type to just "go with the flow" are you? This is how you are coming off. I mean, just fron what you type. Sterotypical maybe, but if a man holds a gun to my head then I'm going to assume he's a killer or potentially one.
01-06-2010, 11:49 AM
Easy, I have never in my life met a doctor that only suggested exercise and no probability for medications in the future. When I typed "on the sdie", I didn't mean immediately, I am on my phone so my character length is not as much as on the computer. That was for "space saving" sakes.. You have said it yourself, doctors (many of them) are in it for the money.
Every time you turn around a doc is trying to stick a pill in someone's mouth. It's the way. You have said it many times that docs like to treat symptoms and not the cause ...
As far as the religious situation, no I didn't wear a chain, lmao.
And yes, it would have come out eventually. You have no idea what line I was in so you cannot truthfully say it could have stayed a secret. The first time my direct mngr would have come to my house for work reasons which happens often for others, it would have been blatantly clear.
Policy stated they did not discriminate against race, sex, or religion. Now, I am not an idiot here. I worked as a hiring mngr and I know how easy it is to lie to someone and make up a reason for not hiring someone. I was told to do so before but I didn't. This isn't my character. I believe in fairness.
Are you in denial of prejudice happenings around this country? I am asking do you say that it doesn't exist anymore? I have friends that say racism doesn't exist anymore because people don't go around beating up whites, calling them honky and hanging blacks...unreal.
01-06-2010, 11:58 AM
Same thing with BP, my family has a genetic history with high BP, and I was borderline. It wasnt for a few visits that she put me on a very low dose diuretic that keeps me in check.
And I know someone that went through the Test thing as well and gave it a few visits before discussing prescriptions.
I don't know if you are leaned on with liberal talking points, but I have yet to meet a doctor that is all about throwing pills down your throat. I have a few docs in the family and they have quite an aversion to pills if they can treat in other ways.
The Historic PES Legend
01-06-2010, 12:00 PM
I've never in my life met a doctor who didn't suggest exercise and diet changes first. Of course they don't leave "no probability for medications" as they have to treat reality. So if the patient refuses to or for some reason can't make the changes to diet and exercise the doctor still needs to treat them.
And still my point stands that unless you are applying for a job at a religious institution you shouldn't wear anything that denotes religious context at an interview. Not sure what sort of job it was that they would come to your house, but even so if they found out then it was after you are already hired.
Prejudice happens and always will happen. Prejudice is any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. People will always have preconceptions, some true, some false, some favorable, some unfavorable. Do you make friends by quota system? Are the people you have at your hourse for a BBQ chosen to make sure their % makeup matches the local census? No. When a hiring manager gets 400 applications for 1 position, he has to use "prejudice" to remove 380-390 of them so that he only has to interview 10-20. Then he is going to use prejudice again as he's interviewing to think about from what he manages to tell in the span of the interview how he thinks the person will fit into the environment, and how he'll perform in the future to clip the list down to 3 or so for final interview. I wouldn't even want that to change, much less think it should.
01-06-2010, 12:03 PM
Just for the record, E, there is/was a gigantic board and in the employee code book which read "we will make every reasonable attempt to support your relifious beliefs".
They, themselves (corporate office), said it was being in direct violation of a stated public policy. The company called me back and offered me the job (after being choked by their corp) but I declined.
01-06-2010, 12:20 PM
Well, I still think that unless its a religious institution you are applying at, that its unprofessional to dress in a WWJD t-shirt or whatever it was
But like i said its sort of odd, as with myself i've had **** I dunno, 15-20 jobs since I turned 18? and not in one did my religious beliefs ever come up.
01-06-2010, 02:18 PM
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