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    https://www.adbusters.org/files/down...foundation.pdf

    The Nobel Foundation and the Royal Swedish Academy
    of Sciences are recalling the following Nobel Prizes, as we
    have determined that they were not merited and should
    never have been awarded.

    We regret any inconvenience
    and suffering that granting these prizes may have caused
    by giving the flawed economic theories propounded by the
    individuals in question unwarranted credibility and influence
    on public policy.

    Further recalls may be necessary – this
    initial step only addresses our most egregious errors.

    Milton Friedman
    University of Chicago, 1976

    Original reasons for award: “Macroeconomics:
    for his achievements in the fields of consumption
    analysis, monetary history and theory, and for his
    demonstration of the complexity of stabilization
    policy.”

    Reason for recall: Friedman was the 20th century’s
    most prominent supporter of laissez-faire capitalism.
    Whatever the empirical evidence, he fervently
    believed that unregulated markets would lead to
    socially desirable outcomes. His naïve belief in
    the invisible hand and his bias against government
    spending made him argue that government’s role
    should be largely limited to that of policeman, judge
    and jailer. Friedman was a monetarist obsessed
    with controlling inflation who disregarded the social
    harm caused when monetary policy led to high
    unemployment levels. The application of his laissezfaire
    ideology has led to great harm around the
    world.

    Gary S. Becker
    University of Chicago, 1992

    Original reasons for award: “Microeconomics and
    Economic Sociology: for having extended the
    domain of microeconomic analysis to a wide range of
    human behavior and interaction, including nonmarket
    behavior.”

    Reason for recall: We have concluded that Becker’s
    efforts to extend rational choice theory into all aspects
    of human activity turned out to be the extension of
    defective and highly ideological theory, which led to
    flawed policies and needless harm. His models were
    based on assuming that all individuals are always
    rational and that they constantly seek to maximize
    their utility in every aspect of their lives and ignored
    a host of factors that contribute to social problems.

    Noted feminist economist Barbara Bergmann has
    described Becker’s claims as “so preposterous that
    there is not much danger of their being believed
    and acted on – always excepting the committee
    that awards Nobel Prizes in Economics.”

    With this recall, we demonstrate that we will no longer allow
    ourselves to be duped by absurd theory dressed up
    in elegant math.

    Robert M. Solow
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1987

    Original reasons for award: “Economic Growth
    Theory: for his contributions to the theory of economic
    growth.”

    Reason for recall: Since we awarded Solow the prize,
    it has become abundantly clear that his growth model
    was so simplistic that it was highly misleading.

    His model explained growth by assuming that only capital
    and labor inputs and technical progress were relevant,
    and it failed to include natural resources or energy –
    as if cars could be made out of tools, workers and
    knowledge, but without any steel, rubber or fossil
    fuels.

    Solow thereby sent economics down a blind
    alley that has misled economists and politicians into
    failing to understand that growing economies imply
    growing demands on the biosphere and worsening
    environmental degradation.

    To this day, neoclassical growth models inspired by Solow remain fatally
    flawed from a biophysical perspective.

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    When are the going to take back AL Gore's Nobel?
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    Milton Friedman
    University of Chicago, 1976

    Original reasons for award: “Macroeconomics:
    for his achievements in the fields of consumption
    analysis, monetary history and theory, and for his
    demonstration of the complexity of stabilization
    policy.”

    Reason for recall: Friedman was the 20th century’s
    most prominent supporter of laissez-faire capitalism.
    Whatever the empirical evidence, he fervently
    believed that unregulated markets would lead to
    socially desirable outcomes. His naïve belief in
    the invisible hand and his bias against government
    spending made him argue that government’s role
    should be largely limited to that of policeman, judge
    and jailer. Friedman was a monetarist obsessed
    with controlling inflation who disregarded the social
    harm caused when monetary policy led to high
    unemployment levels. The application of his laissezfaire
    ideology has led to great harm around the
    world.


    Um....where exactly has it ever been applied? Certainly not in this country...thanks FDR and others.
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    They're going to yank these, but Arafat gets to keep his?

    I'm unamused.
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    Gasp, the nobel prize commission is biased liberally? who would have thought.

    remember that jews have also won a totally disproportionate amount of nobel prizes vs their population levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    They're going to yank these, but Arafat gets to keep his?

    I'm unamused.
    Peace Prize is a different beast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    https://www.adbusters.org/files/down...foundation.pdf

    The Nobel Foundation and the Royal Swedish Academy
    of Sciences are recalling the following Nobel Prizes, as we
    have determined that they were not merited and should
    never have been awarded.

    We regret any inconvenience
    and suffering that granting these prizes may have caused
    by giving the flawed economic theories propounded by the
    individuals in question unwarranted credibility and influence
    on public policy.

    Further recalls may be necessary – this
    initial step only addresses our most egregious errors.

    Milton Friedman
    University of Chicago, 1976

    Original reasons for award: “Macroeconomics:
    for his achievements in the fields of consumption
    analysis, monetary history and theory, and for his
    demonstration of the complexity of stabilization
    policy.”

    Reason for recall: Friedman was the 20th century’s
    most prominent supporter of laissez-faire capitalism.
    Whatever the empirical evidence, he fervently
    believed that unregulated markets would lead to
    socially desirable outcomes. His naïve belief in
    the invisible hand and his bias against government
    spending made him argue that government’s role
    should be largely limited to that of policeman, judge
    and jailer. Friedman was a monetarist obsessed
    with controlling inflation who disregarded the social
    harm caused when monetary policy led to high
    unemployment levels. The application of his laissezfaire
    ideology has led to great harm around the
    world.

    Gary S. Becker
    University of Chicago, 1992

    Original reasons for award: “Microeconomics and
    Economic Sociology: for having extended the
    domain of microeconomic analysis to a wide range of
    human behavior and interaction, including nonmarket
    behavior.”

    Reason for recall: We have concluded that Becker’s
    efforts to extend rational choice theory into all aspects
    of human activity turned out to be the extension of
    defective and highly ideological theory, which led to
    flawed policies and needless harm. His models were
    based on assuming that all individuals are always
    rational and that they constantly seek to maximize
    their utility in every aspect of their lives and ignored
    a host of factors that contribute to social problems.

    Noted feminist economist Barbara Bergmann has
    described Becker’s claims as “so preposterous that
    there is not much danger of their being believed
    and acted on – always excepting the committee
    that awards Nobel Prizes in Economics.”

    With this recall, we demonstrate that we will no longer allow
    ourselves to be duped by absurd theory dressed up
    in elegant math.

    Robert M. Solow
    Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1987

    Original reasons for award: “Economic Growth
    Theory: for his contributions to the theory of economic
    growth.”

    Reason for recall: Since we awarded Solow the prize,
    it has become abundantly clear that his growth model
    was so simplistic that it was highly misleading.

    His model explained growth by assuming that only capital
    and labor inputs and technical progress were relevant,
    and it failed to include natural resources or energy –
    as if cars could be made out of tools, workers and
    knowledge, but without any steel, rubber or fossil
    fuels.

    Solow thereby sent economics down a blind
    alley that has misled economists and politicians into
    failing to understand that growing economies imply
    growing demands on the biosphere and worsening
    environmental degradation.

    To this day, neoclassical growth models inspired by Solow remain fatally
    flawed from a biophysical perspective.
    This (the recall) must be a joke, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
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    remember that jews have also won a totally disproportionate amount of nobel prizes vs their population levels.
    Perhaps they are disproportionately talented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Perhaps they are disproportionately talented.
    I think its that as a group we tend to place a higher value on education than most other groups, but still interesting statistically. I think the numbers are roughly 18% of the nobel prizes having gone to jews, with jews making up under 6% of the global population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I think its that as a group we tend to place a higher value on education than most other groups, but still interesting statistically. I think the numbers are roughly 18% of the nobel prizes having gone to jews, with jews making up under 6% of the global population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I think its that as a group we tend to place a higher value on education than most other groups, but still interesting statistically. I think the numbers are roughly 18% of the nobel prizes having gone to jews, with jews making up under 6% of the global population.
    1) Agree education plays an important role.
    2) Are you of Jewish extraction? I ask because you wrote: "I think its that as a group we tend to place a higher value on education than most other groups..."
    3) Do you have the statistics in terms of The Fields Medal?
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    I was raised jewish, but non-practicing now.

    hmm maybe even higher according to this?

    http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html

    At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US population.)

    Chemistry (30 prize winners, 20% of world total, 28% of US total)
    Economics (26 prize winners, 42% of world total, 56% of US total)
    Literature (13 prize winners, 12% of world total, 27% of US total)
    Peace (9 prize winners, 9% of world total, 10% of US total)3
    Physics (47 prize winners, 26% of world total, 37% of US total)
    Physiology or Medicine (53 prize winners, 28% of world total, 41% of US total)
    See also data on "other Nobels":
    Jewish Recipients of the Kyoto Prize (25% of recipients)
    Jewish Recipients of the Wolf Foundation Prize (34% of recipients)
    Jewish Recipients of the US National Medal of Science (38% of recipients)
    dang I was way off on percentage of total population though
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    I'm against yanking Nobel Prizes altogether (unless fraud plays a part). I mean, what's next, yanking 2004 Olympic medals because the guys were faster in 2008?
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    Luther's a riot!! Just too bad he's a teacher! So basically any recipient who isn't a socialist should have his NP revoked. LOL!

    A Nobel peace prize prize doesn't mean a whole lot these days. Al Gore gets it for a slide show that any college freshman could've put together and Arafat gets one for supporting terrorism for 25 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I was raised jewish, but non-practicing now.

    hmm maybe even higher according to this?

    http://www.jinfo.org/Nobel_Prizes.html



    dang I was way off on percentage of total population though
    Thanks for the link! I was wondering what the numbers would be for the Fields Medal, though. [The Fields Medal is what Mathematicians receive as there is no Nobel Prize for Mathematics].
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    hmm says 25% of fields medal recipients

    http://www.jinfo.org/Fields_Mathematics.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    I'm against yanking Nobel Prizes altogether (unless fraud plays a part)...
    Are these recalls even authentic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    hmm says 25% of fields medal recipients

    http://www.jinfo.org/Fields_Mathematics.html
    Impressive. Thank you!
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    Our new national anthem!

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    I'm pretty sure this is satire....yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Our new national anthem!

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    How is this even close to relevant?
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    with luther as original poster its so hard to tell as he bends the truth for emotional response so frequently anyhow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    How is this even close to relevant?
    I wonder, too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    I'm pretty sure this is satire....yes?
    I am sure it is not for real. These are Economics prizes (more correctly, prizes in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel), and are technically awarded by The Sveriges Riksbank (Sweden's Central Bank), the institution that created the prizes in the first place. Somehow, however, the Sveriges Riksbank was not mentioned in the "recall"! Anyway, I seriously doubt there will be any recalls.
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    easy, what's your thoughts on why jews win more than other races? bias? repaying them for their tragedies, etc, or rather natural skill? i'm very curious, because my mom is indian (dot not feather), and her family holds a disproportionate amount of doctors. also, in the US, the indian population is rather low, yet every hospital seems to have 2 of them.... maybe the nobel prize is something that the jews are genetically drawn to winning...

    speculating is hard though without coming off racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    easy, what's your thoughts on why jews win more than other races? bias? repaying them for their tragedies, etc, or rather natural skill? i'm very curious, because my mom is indian (dot not feather), and her family holds a disproportionate amount of doctors. also, in the US, the indian population is rather low, yet every hospital seems to have 2 of them.... maybe the nobel prize is something that the jews are genetically drawn to winning...

    speculating is hard though without coming off racist.
    India has a very high number of 2 things: tech schools and medical schools. There's just a better market for them in the US. Many Indian medical schools are very respected and there's a ton of research coming from that area.
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    I think its the focus on education, and the guilt-trippery on males who don't achieve from their moms You have to think that even in the basics of it, you have to learn another language just to be able to be considered a man - for your bar mitzvah. So learning is definitely a strong part of it.

    Since judiasm is also sort of genetic its possible theres a slightly higher average intelligence in the group too.
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    I highly doubt the Nobel committee would use language such as, "...that we will no longer allow ourselves to be duped by absurd theory dressed up in elegant math." As well, the Nobel committee would not contentiously conflate the words "monetarist" and "laissez-faire".
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    I'm just curious, has Luther EVER contributed anything constructive toward the main theme of this entire board, fitness, training, supplements, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    They're going to yank these, but Arafat gets to keep his?

    I'm unamused.
    Arafat and Kissinger as well!

    Of course it was not a real communication from the Nobel Foundation,click the link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Luther's a riot!! Just too bad he's a teacher! So basically any recipient who isn't a socialist should have his NP revoked. LOL!
    Nice straw man bud. Who said anything about socialists? By the way,did you actually click the link?

    A Nobel peace prize prize doesn't mean a whole lot these days. Al Gore gets it for a slide show that any college freshman could've put together and Arafat gets one for supporting terrorism for 25 years.
    Kissinger also got one for war crimes.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...81561030958784
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Our new national anthem!

    YouTube - soviet national anthem
    Honestly that song is pretty great, I love it and keep it around. Then again I am a big fan of Soviet Russia and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    Reason for recall: Friedman was the 20th century’s most prominent supporter of laissez-faire capitalism.
    Which is why he supported a Soviet style commissar in charge of the centralization and central planning of credit and monetary policy... That aside, he seemed a decent guy.

    Whatever the empirical evidence, he fervently believed that unregulated markets would lead to socially desirable outcomes. His naïve belief in the invisible hand and his bias against government spending made him argue that government’s role should be largely limited to that of policeman, judge and jailer.
    Laughable in the extreme. In reality it's interventionists who ignore empirical reality. You know, the type of dip****s who look at the US health care system where nearly half the costs are covered by two single payer systems and the rest by a government mandated corporate sponsored third party payment system, and call it the 'free market'. Free except for all those regulations, controls, mandates, quotas, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. Kind of like a prisoner is free so long as you ignore the ****ing prison.

    Central to all such charges from socialists that capitalists 'ignore empirical evidence' is the socialist tendency to ignore any and all existing government interventions when using current conditions as an argument for socialism. This is what allows them to look at problems in the most heavily and tightly regulated industries such as health care and energy and claim the 'free market' is the problem. The trillion or so existing government interventions that have existed and/or been expanded over decades if not centuries are, of course, completely negligible. It's all that 'freedom' that's the real problem. Even when next to none exists.

    It is also this tendency which allows them to hook the moniker of 'free market type' to the likes of Bernanke, our new commissar of credit, even though his any and every answer to any problem that arises is government action and central planning. I guess because he works with money he must be a capitalism despite his tendency to want to centrally plan things.

    The real problem with the world today Luther is people like you have your heads rammed so firmly up your asses that it's impossible to debate with you because there is no stable reality in your minds; it changes daily with what you eat and the brand and stench of **** that then comes to smear your vision of the world as it passes your head in your colon. Which is one of reasons I do try to avoid debates these days. I'd have a more productive time debating with a schitzofrenic as to which pope he is 'actually' talking to. At least his distorted view of reality may be consistent. But not you people.

    We in the US have a government that consumes nearly half the ****ing GDP, employs a quarter of the ****ing workforce, spends the vast majority of its time either redistributing money or sending armies to and fro, and has a federal code which alone is so long that the ****ing index for it needs its own God damn shelving system and soon likely its own building, and which covers everything from classic crimes like murder to the proper way to prepare and label ****ing onion rings to the duty due on catfish importation. The average citizen can't walk down the street without breaking God knows how many laws by default, laws which multiply daily, and the prominent and successful have to worry about federal prosecutors and the PC police every time they cut a loud fart. In what twisted, retarded, moronic, idiotic, distorted, demented, and just outright lunatic frame of mind must one be in for the words 'free market' to apply to this situation?
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    Becker's theology was a step in the right direction for labor economics. It started a lot of other studies on how individual businesses and agents of the firm negotiate, manage time, and capital. His study also led to further studies on pregnant women's success later in life, the impact of the EITC, etc. Becker is a good economist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Central to all such charges from socialists that capitalists 'ignore empirical evidence' is the socialist tendency to ignore any and all existing government interventions when using current conditions as an argument for socialism. This is what allows them to look at problems in the most heavily and tightly regulated industries such http://anabolicminds.com/forum/image...es/bling.gifas health care and energy and claim the 'free market' is the problem. The trillion or so existing government interventions that have existed and/or been expanded over decades if not centuries are, of course, completely negligible. It's all that 'freedom' that's the real problem. Even when next to none exists.
    What truly bothers me, though, is that individuals on both sides of the fence tend to ignore any and all sense of pragmatic social analysis when delving into either/or style of economy - that is, they tend not to consider the wide-range of historically-binding circumstances [...aside from economizing activity...] that places a given nation, at a given time, in a given state of development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    What truly bothers me, though, is that individuals on both sides of the fence tend to ignore any and all sense of pragmatic social analysis when delving into either/or style of economy - that is, they tend not to consider the wide-range of historically-binding circumstances [...aside from economizing activity...] that places a given nation, at a given time, in a given state of development.
    Not the Austrians, at least in the sense that they realize capital must be accumulated and tended over time. Every other school of economics seems to think all you need to do is drop a ****load of greenbacks on people and all of a sudden they'll all have iPhones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I'm just curious, has Luther EVER contributed anything constructive toward the main theme of this entire board, fitness, training, supplements, etc?
    Doesn't look like it. I'm not sure luther has even contributed an original thought to this section. Most of his posts are just material that he cuts and pastes from left wing websites.

    But yes, the jews are some impressive people. Especially considering how much oppression and persecution they've had to deal with for the last 3,000 years. The success that they seem to enjoy everywhere they go certainly makes some people angry and green with envy. Perhaps that's why the arabs hate them so much. They've accomplished more in 60 years than the arabs haven't been able to accomplish in 3,000.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Not the Austrians, at least in the sense that they realize capital must be accumulated and tended over time...
    von Hayek (and the influence of von Mises) was a truly original thinker. It is not easy to clearly identify his followers these days.

    Every other school of economics ...
    For example?
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