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    Barrack Hussein Obama's healthcare plan good enough for us but not him!


    This is change we can believe in! Good enough for America but not good enough for the Obamas.

    He believes we're getting plenty of quantity of care, but not quality. So, now the gov't going to improve quality. That'd be a first.

    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2009/06/2...althcare-plan/

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    I think you gave the wrong link to the story
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    i don't think you guys really understand socialized health care. canada has this setup, and any private citizen that wants quicker treatment gets private healthcare. when you have to wait 3 months for a non life-threatening surgery (ACL tear, etc), the wealthy opt for better care. the fundamental mistake that private health care makes, is that they suspect they will "go away", when clearly people would rather have and pay for quicker/more attentive doctors.

    anyone earning in the 90k bracket (or more) will ALWAYS choose to have better health care for their families, than what the lowest tier is forced to deal with.

    the added benefit for socialized health care is it makes people want to go to the doctor for a minor infection, instead of going to the ER when it becomes a major infection, and then refuse/can't afford to pay for the surgery.... any time you can slash the end bill by a large portion that will have to be written off anyways, will help. not to mention prediabetes screenings...
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    Basic check-ups aren't expensive to begin with

    Those not willing to shell out money to check on their health from time to time probably aren't too interested in keeping themselves healthy in the first place. It shouldn't be anyone else's responsiblity to take care of them if they aren't willing to do it first.

    Most boo-boos, bumps, scrapes, bruises and ouchies aren't going to get any additional treatment that you couldn't of received from a trip to the OTC portion of your local pharmacy. Most people won't pay 300 a year on physicals but yet we're supposed to all pay a portion higher even when we're already doing this for ourselves.


    I could opt out of healthcare and have more disposable income... However comma I choose having coverage.
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    There's also a difference between not being able to afford it and being irresponsible and not propperly managing one's personal finances. I've met people in the past with 2-3 kids who "couldn't afford" insurance, yet had a fairly nice house and two car payments and managed to make ends meet. Many people are uninsured simply due to bad choices and back assward priorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    Many people are uninsured simply due to bad choices and back assward priorities.
    or like my girlfriend, they have a bulging disk, an appendix removed, and a gall bladder removed, and no insurance will cover her. just food for thought.
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    The disc would be a pre-existing condition. But, I don't see how not having a gall bladder or an appendix would bar her from insurance. It just seems like in that case, you could shop around and find coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    It just seems like in that case, you could shop around and find coverage.
    nope. not with two past surgeries (not including c-sections) and chronic pain. remember that insurance is a business, and she would qualify as a liability.
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    yes indeed. i was trying to elude that the system gets backed up. i hear the worst part is that the homeless population goes there feigning an illness when it gets too cold to be outside.

    on the bright side, you don't have to pay 2600 bucks when a doctor gives you meds you're allergic too, and have to take a 1 mile ambulance ride. 10k for the overnight, and 10% of our checking account (county shrink) because they didn't want to read her allergy chart (morphine) and decided that she overdosed....
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    yes indeed. i was trying to elude that the system gets backed up. i hear the worst part is that the homeless population goes there feigning an illness when it gets too cold to be outside.

    on the bright side, you don't have to pay 2600 bucks when a doctor gives you meds you're allergic too, and have to take a 1 mile ambulance ride. 10k for the overnight, and 10% of our checking account (county shrink) because they didn't want to read her allergy chart (morphine) and decided that she overdosed....
    ya I hear ya, it goes both ways, the homeless thing is true as its gets close to -50 in some places here...thats celcius boys...yes believe it...with the windchill...

    in the province I live in now they do the same, if you need an ambulance its 600$, when you leave the hospital they ding you for it, no other province does this except Alberta, real stupid if you ask me.

    10k for overnight? jesus, i think id take my chances without the hospital...I just moved reaaal close to our hospital so Ill crawl there before calling an ambulance.
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    Man whine whine whine. WE GET FREE MEDICAL!!!!!! FREE. If you dont like it pay for it just like the americans and many other people do. Put down the steroids and burgers and eat some vegetables for fk sakes. If you dont want to wait than dont, go somewhere else and pay.

    Heres the deal with canadian healthcare... EVERYONE GETS IT. The people with money, or better judgement can go elsewhere then do and stop fking complaining. Go to school and teach yourself about the human body and i know you will realise you dont need a doctor anyways.

    If people knew what healthy really was we would force reform on our food production, we would stop filling our bodies with drugs, stop vaccinating our babies, fast food would be illegal and so would smoking and drinking.

    When everyone gets healthy then we wont have to pay an arm and a leg for care since the system wont be abused by people who intentionally or unintentionally abuse it.

    You can cleanse your liver and gall bladder with dandelion root and golden seal then drink unfiltered apple juice and olive oil with lemon to cleanse your gall bladder. A doctor wont tell you this so get off your azz and read some fkin info and stop expecting other people, governments or buisnesses to take care of you.

    YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON YOU CAN RELY ON. Stop whinning.

    The only difference is accidents and developmental deformities. Shiet happens life happens and in canada they will sew my fingers back on and treat me no matter how much money i have.

    IF YOUR POOR YOUR LUCKY TO HAVE MEDICAL PAID FOR SHUT UP GET A JOB, IF YOUR RICH GO PAY SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SHUP UP.

    The earth provides for us in everyway. Medication and doctors largely fix problems we gave ourselves by being GREEDY, stupid, lazy, ignorant, close minded or the victim of circumstance and poor timing.

    Goverment wants our money, doctors want our money, drug companies want our money, mcdonalds wants our money, starbucks wants our money. Grow a brain censor what you eat, grow your own hormone, chemical free food. Stop eating dairy, wash the pesticides off your food. EAt a 80% alkaline diet since almost all diseased and ailments start from a dominantly acidic diet. Stop reading information paid for by drug companies and their chronies. Dont eat meat from an animal that was tortured, locked in a box and raped for its nutritional value. If you cant do these things then EXPECT to get cancer or expect your body to fail when you pump it full of shiet that shouldnt be in there wheather you did it willingly or not.

    Drugs dont fix problems that diet created. If you dont believe me then go ahead and die in the hospital for free ill cover my share of the tab and not Whine about it.

    I have to pay for people to eat garbage, smoke, drink and never have a clue about THEIR OWN body. Big deal i dont have to wait in line at the doctors office since i have researched the cause of my ailment and adress the causes
    1) diet 2) environment or 3) history of 1 and 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    dude you need to fckn relax, all i said was its not even close to perfect, alright? i mean to come here and tell me to stop fckn whining when you have no idea about me or my medical problems makes me pretty mad to be honest.

    watch you talk all this smack about how smart you are, and how you can vure all your ailments, you will be the first on e to complain when you cant get the treatment you deserve.

    and buddy, if you havent figured this out yet your a moron....NOTHING IS FREE!!! look at how much income tax they take off your cheque!!!! are you blind? just because I think our system is massively flawed and you dont doesnt give you the right to come on here and be a know it all prck!
    Perfect, duh nothing is perfect.
    I am not talking smack about how smart i am but if your in the doctors office there is a reason for it and they don't have the solution or care what the cause is. I adressed that i am ok with paying for it since i expect people to be like you.
    I am mad because i pay for other people to be ignorant and i perpetually try to learn more to actually fix people who care to listen. There is always an answer and this day and age people watch t.v think that is reality and in reality our entire social system is dated and corrupt. No one cares about you so you should care about yourself.
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    Holy **** SWG,

    NOTHING IS FREE... do you people not get that? There is not one damn free ride anywhere in this world. Your ass taking that "Free" ambulance ride is coming out of someone ELSES pocket there my friend. But that is the problem with these useless ass social programs that only benefits the group of people that want to put their hand out and receive. Never thinking about where it is coming from.

    Am I in the top echelon of money makers? No. But do I think it is any way shape or form right they should pay for the people who do not care to care for themselves? Hell no.

    Your system is even more broken than ours is, so take a damn pill and calm down. If people want to smoke, drink, and drug their selves into cardiac arrest, that is completely fine with me... But not on my dime! I think you are agreeing with me on that aspect, but I can never fully tell with you.

    And Sun,
    The media seems to be eating away at you with the fear mongering that Obama has been spewing since he took up his healthcare act. Here is strait from the HIPPA, and I know this is true because it has applied to my life. Your story does not co inside with law today, and if you are gaining different treatment, then maybe you should bring this to the judicial system, since you are upset with a system that isn't even broken in the aspects you are upset about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somewhatgifted View Post
    Perfect, duh nothing is perfect.
    I am not talking smack about how smart i am but if your in the doctors office there is a reason for it and they don't have the solution or care what the cause is. I adressed that i am ok with paying for it since i expect people to be like you.
    I am mad because i pay for other people to be ignorant and i perpetually try to learn more to actually fix people who care to listen.
    There is always an answer and this day and age people watch t.v think that is reality and in reality our entire social system is dated and corrupt. No one cares about you so you should care about yourself.
    Well which is it? You are ok with paying for someone else's "free healthcare", then you are mad about having to do it. If something is a "right" to an individual, it shouldn't cost another person money to pay for it. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights. They don't cost another person so much that it brings them down to another person's level financially or soci-economically. Why do politicians that espouse social equality never want to raise people up to a higher standard? They just want to drag people that live at a higher level down to a less than mediocre level and make everyone equal there. All the while saying someone that worked hard for something that you don't have doesn't deserve it. Instead, they should tell the "underprivilaged" that they do deserve to be at a higher level, get off your lazy butt and use some creativity and talent that God gave you and make something for yourself.
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    we do however get it "free" so to say.....we are also extremely heavily income taxed...and as the years go on the system gets worse and worse.

    This is the end result. How is Massachussett's universal health care plan going?
    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/edi...n_falls_short/

    Here is an article from a "progressive activist" website :http://www.progressivestates.org/jou...idual-citizens
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    This place seems to be a bastion of conservative thinkers. When I saw Anne Coulter books advertised on this site, I knew I was at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    Well which is it? You are ok with paying for someone else's "free healthcare", then you are mad about having to do it. If something is a "right" to an individual, it shouldn't cost another person money to pay for it. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights. They don't cost another person so much that it brings them down to another person's level financially or soci-economically. Why do politicians that espouse social equality never want to raise people up to a higher standard? They just want to drag people that live at a higher level down to a less than mediocre level and make everyone equal there. All the while saying someone that worked hard for something that you don't have doesn't deserve it. Instead, they should tell the "underprivilaged" that they do deserve to be at a higher level, get off your lazy butt and use some creativity and talent that God gave you and make something for yourself.
    You bring up a good point....a "right" is inherent to a sentient being at birth...there is NO right in existence that MUST be provided to you by aNOTHER sentient being - meaning there is no right in existence that must be provided by removing another person's rights.

    Health care is NOT a right.
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    This place seems to be a bastion of conservative thinkers. When I saw Anne Coulter books advertised on this site, I knew I was at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    You bring up a good point....a "right" is inherent to a sentient being at birth...there is NO right in existence that MUST be provided to you by aNOTHER sentient being - meaning there is no right in existence that must be provided by removing another person's rights.

    Health care is NOT a right.
    I am glad to see there are some level headed people in Cali still!
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    I am glad to see there are some level headed people in Cali still!
    I need to change that...RPN moved to Ohio 2.5 years ago

    Yeah, one of the major reasons we left is what is going on there right now...1200mph out of control state, meet brick wall.
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    I don't blame you for moving. No way would I live in cali, new york, michigan. But wait, all the states with highest unemployment, budget crisis, all have the highest tax rates and are run into the ground by sociialist principles. Coincidence, No Way!
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    http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/h...ed.html#canada

    List is a smidge dated. Only a year out of date but still applicable. I think the lefty socialist/statist Canadian Supreme Court said it best with... "Access to waiting lists does not equate to access to health care"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    And Sun,
    The media seems to be eating away at you with the fear mongering that Obama has been spewing since he took up his healthcare act. Here is strait from the HIPPA, and I know this is true because it has applied to my life. Your story does not co inside with law today, and if you are gaining different treatment, then maybe you should bring this to the judicial system, since you are upset with a system that isn't even broken in the aspects you are upset about.
    we got our money back from the county shrink after some work, but that's napa valley's answer to what they consider "overdose". take some of their money so they can't buy drugs.... of course everything was prescription.... stupid setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    by the way ...when did I once say i ook a free ambulance ride? Ive actually never been in an ambulance...dont side with a hypacritical elitist. Most canadians arent like this Yahoo, im all for educationg people on how to take care of themselves, soemtimes ones health falls out of their control, according to our elitist friend anyone who gets sick is screwed and deserves it due to their lifestyle and diet.

    Im kind of in shock people like him havent been weaded out and deported.

    I guarantee only one thing to my elitist friend, i guarantee he has been given more free care than I have, and for him to thumb his nose at me and say "people like you"is pahetic.

    I pay for your FREE healthcare as much as you pay for mine, when i was a carpenter I got taxed more than anyone you know buddy, so were even, I dont owe you or your elitist views anything.

    get back o me when your health goes down the toilet, because you can run and hide but I promise you one day it will fail you.
    My comments were directed at SWG. You can see I specifically addressed him as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roids1 View Post
    This place seems to be a bastion of conservative thinkers. When I saw Anne Coulter books advertised on this site, I knew I was at home.
    Ann Coulter? Oh man, I think I'm gonna puke...

    youngandfree - I've recently lived in NYC and now CA and I can't imagine anywhere else being anything less than a downgrade. I'm sorry you flyover state folks, but it's true. Sure, it's expen$ive as hell...but you get what you pay for. If I wanted a $400/month apartment, I'd move to Oklahoma. But then again, I wouldn't do that......because that would mean I'd have to live in Oklahoma.

    Right now, I work full time, 40 hours a week, and do not receive health insurance. I've got a couple medical issues that I'd like to address, but don't have the $$$ to do so without said insurance.

    We shouldn't be so blind to reality as to think the US system is as good as it can be, nor should we think that the Canadian system is the end-all-be-all either. While the Canadian system may not be perfect, I'm not scared by the anecdotal evidence trotted out by those on this thread, nor the ones being trotted out by the likes of Levin, Savage, Hannity, etc. Oh, you had to wait a few hours in an ER to get stitches? Well, so have I, right here in the good ol US-and-A.
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    We shouldn't be so blind to reality as to think the US system is as good as it can be, nor should we think that the Canadian system is the end-all-be-all either. While the Canadian system may not be perfect, I'm not scared by the anecdotal evidence trotted out by those on this thread, nor the ones being trotted out by the likes of Levin, Savage, Hannity, etc. Oh, you had to wait a few hours in an ER to get stitches? So have I, right here in the good ol US-and-A.
    This is because the law mandates that NOBODY can be turned away - even if they have no money to pay.

    If ERs could filter out deadbeats and non-emergency patients, without fear of lawsuit, then there would be significantly less wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Ann Coulter? Oh man, I think I'm gonna puke...

    youngandfree - I've recently lived in NYC and now CA and I can't imagine anywhere else being anything less than a downgrade. I'm sorry you flyover state folks, but it's true. Sure, it's expen$ive as hell...but you get what you pay for. If I wanted a $400/month apartment, I'd move to Oklahoma. But then again, I wouldn't do that......because that would mean I'd have to live in Oklahoma.

    Right now, I work full time, 40 hours a week, and do not receive health insurance. I've got a couple medical issues that I'd like to address, but don't have the $$$ to do so without said insurance.

    We shouldn't be so blind to reality as to think the US system is as good as it can be, nor should we think that the Canadian system is the end-all-be-all either. While the Canadian system may not be perfect, I'm not scared by the anecdotal evidence trotted out by those on this thread, nor the ones being trotted out by the likes of Levin, Savage, Hannity, etc. Oh, you had to wait a few hours in an ER to get stitches? Well, so have I, right here in the good ol US-and-A. :usa3:
    Really... CA, and NYC are the shining beacons of the USA? Nice.

    No one said the US system was as good as it gets... the HEALTH CARE is as good as it gets, you will not find better doctors anywhere.

    Now, why should I ever pay anyone else but my own families health care? I honestly do not care what type of care you receive if any. I work hard here in the good old midwest, and make enough money in the midwest to pay for my families healthcare.

    All without a degree.

    Again, why do you deserve my dollar to sew up your knees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    This is because the law mandates that NOBODY can be turned away - even if they have no money to pay.

    If ERs could filter out deadbeats and non-emergency patients, without fear of lawsuit, then there would be significantly less wait.
    At the time, I had health insurance through my previous employer, so it was OK. What if (for the sake of this argument) I did not have that insurance? (as I currently don't) Then, what would've/should've happened to me? I had a gash on my hand and was bleeding and in need of stitches. Without insurance, should they have turned me away because I was a "deadbeat"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    At the time, I had health insurance through my previous employer, so it was OK. What if (for the sake of this argument) I did not have that insurance? (as I currently don't) Then, what would've/should've happened to me? I had a gash on my hand and was bleeding and in need of stitches. Without insurance, should they have turned me away because I was a "deadbeat"?
    Oh, and the ER is a triage environment... because you have the shiny gold ticket of insurance does not put you in front of the severely wounded. Your cut was obviously not arterial, or you would been placed ahead of line. So obviously people in the ER are all being treated the same... insurance or not... pretty novel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    This is because the law mandates that NOBODY can be turned away - even if they have no money to pay.
    and if they do have money, we won't settle for less than the full medical charge - not that measly 25-40% that insurance pays. lets make those without insurance who have money fork over everything they can.

    to give a complete rundown of my G/F, and her surgeries:
    hysterectomy (at 29)
    bulging disk in spine replaced (unsuccessful surgery)
    gall bladder removed
    appendix removed
    2 c-sections
    mole on back that was cancerous (removed)
    lump on thyroid (mom has graves disease, dad has hashimoto's)
    stopped breathing when prescribed morphine
    allergies : morphine, penicillin, bees

    ask me how an 800k bank account can reach 62k in 3 years.... and of course nobody will insure her for obvious reasons. and we can't pay the same rates that insurance pays for the same crap. if we did, her account would still be around 250k or more. IMO that translates to the hospitals stealing at least 200k from her because the law says they can...

    of course there's those who think that the status quo are the way to go, until you loose a job and the insurance that goes with it, and then loose your house when an uninsured broke guy t-bones and paralyzes your wife and you get the hospital bill....

    /end rant
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    EDIT : now she has a torn ACL and meniscus, so i assume she'll loose the rest of her savings pretty quick. yay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Oh, and the ER is a triage environment... because you have the shiny gold ticket of insurance does not put you in front of the severely wounded. Your cut was obviously not arterial, or you would been placed ahead of line. So obviously people in the ER are all being treated the same... insurance or not... pretty novel.
    I wouldn't expect to be placed at "the head of the line" because I've got insurance, or for any reason other than the severity of the injury. I simply would not have been able to afford the ER's services had it not been for my insurance. dsade intimated that ER's become overcrowded and less efficient because they aren't allowed to "weed out deadbeats"...which I would have been, had I not had insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    Ann Coulter? Oh man, I think I'm gonna puke...

    youngandfree - I've recently lived in NYC and now CA and I can't imagine anywhere else being anything less than a downgrade. I'm sorry you flyover state folks, but it's true. Sure, it's expen$ive as hell...but you get what you pay for. If I wanted a $400/month apartment, I'd move to Oklahoma. But then again, I wouldn't do that......because that would mean I'd have to live in Oklahoma.

    Right now, I work full time, 40 hours a week, and do not receive health insurance. I've got a couple medical issues that I'd like to address, but don't have the $$$ to do so without said insurance.

    You don't think that if you weren't paying so much money in unneccessary taxes you could afford insurance. Why is is that NYC has one of the highest tax rates? Why are so many wealthy people leaving NY because of the abnormally high tax rate? Why can't the ones in charge realize they are driving away their own tax revenue? So how do they correct the shortfall, not cut spending, just increase the taxes on those that remain. How can you justify what California is going through financially and feel good about it? Florida has weather just as nice, property just as nice, and a fiscally responsible legislature that keeps taxes down and yet the state thrives.

    We shouldn't be so blind to reality as to think the US system is as good as it can be, nor should we think that the Canadian system is the end-all-be-all either. While the Canadian system may not be perfect, I'm not scared by the anecdotal evidence trotted out by those on this thread, nor the ones being trotted out by the likes of Levin, Savage, Hannity, etc. Oh, you had to wait a few hours in an ER to get stitches? Well, so have I, right here in the good ol US-and-A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    and if they do have money, we won't settle for less than the full medical charge - not that measly 25-40% that insurance pays. lets make those without insurance who have money fork over everything they can.

    to give a complete rundown of my G/F, and her surgeries:
    hysterectomy (at 29)
    bulging disk in spine replaced (unsuccessful surgery)
    gall bladder removed
    appendix removed
    2 c-sections
    mole on back that was cancerous (removed)
    lump on thyroid (mom has graves disease, dad has hashimoto's)
    stopped breathing when prescribed morphine
    allergies : morphine, penicillin, bees

    ask me how an 800k bank account can reach 62k in 3 years.... and of course nobody will insure her for obvious reasons. and we can't pay the same rates that insurance pays for the same crap. if we did, her account would still be around 250k. IMO that translates to the hospitals stealing almost 200k from her because the law says they can...

    of course there's those who think that the status quo are the way to go, until you loose a job and the insurance that goes with it, and then loose your house when an uninsured broke guy t-bones and paralyzes your wife and you get the hospital bill....

    /end rant
    out.
    Oh... man... glad you brought all of this up.

    Guess what, you know why health care is so expensive... it isn't because of private insurance companies. Health care was fine when it was only private companies helped manage peoples health care. health care has no magic bullet that gives them the rights to charge out the ass, it's all around making a profit, and if money is being taken from somewhere, it has to be recouped elsewhere.

    Now, lets bring in the government.

    Medicare
    Medicaid
    Medicaid-D
    S-CHIP
    HMO's

    All products from the governments that does not pay services in a fashion that will even break even. The government programs pay what they feel is good to pay, which is below operating costs for a hospital. Remove those entities and prices drop dramatically.

    So now, we fix government **** ups with more government programs? Whats next, spending our way out of debt?

    Government caused the crisis!
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    Quote Originally Posted by youngandfree View Post
    me in BOLD
    Funny you mention flordia... cause somehow, someway, they do it without a state income tax.
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    Guess where I am going when I relocate if Virginia doesn't get their head out of the toilet and get rid of the Obama butt kissers in power. Governor Kaine ( on the way out anyway), Senators Mark Warner and Jim Webb. My wife has family in FL, so it's very hard to not try to transfer my job and move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Funny you mention flordia... cause somehow, someway, they do it without a state income tax.
    You mean they actually balance their budget without a state income tax? Gee, I don't see how that's possible since NY, MI, CA and others can't do it with stupid high income tax rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW32Hoops View Post
    At the time, I had health insurance through my previous employer, so it was OK. What if (for the sake of this argument) I did not have that insurance? (as I currently don't) Then, what would've/should've happened to me? I had a gash on my hand and was bleeding and in need of stitches. Without insurance, should they have turned me away because I was a "deadbeat"?
    Then you prove you can pay for it.

    As mentioned above, does your injured hand give you a right to my wallet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by searl12 View Post
    hope your girl is doing well cloud, it shows that some things are out of ones control, but hey according to my fellow Canadian she isnt worth healthcare and its all her fault for having these illnesses....shame on your girlfriend for getting sick suncloud...its all her fault cause of her diet....pffff ya frck right!!!
    thanks searl.

    what's funny, is my G/F hovers between a size 0-2, eats all organic, doesn't smoke, etc. she exercised 5x per week, and with a torn ACL still swims 3x per week.

    SWG - nothing against you, but there's no way in hell, she could have taken better care of herself. i suspect half her problems stemmed from birth, as she's 5'11", large hands and feet (size 11 shoes), and skinny. this reeks of a naturally high GH level, which is a breeding ground for cancer of any form.

    /out for good in politics. bleh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Then you prove you can pay for it.

    As mentioned above, does your injured hand give you a right to my wallet?
    Whos coming after your wallet? whatever happened to caring for others, even if it costs you a few more $ in taxes, why is everyone so fckn ruthless these Days?

    Just wait everyone, when sickness comes for you, due to your fault or not your fault and you need help! would liek it if everyone simply said Im not helping you? your not worth it? how about this no human life should have a price on it, were all equal, even the homeless, there just as equal to any of us, we all bleed the same....this type of ruthlessness has fcked us all.

    Im just waiting for my yahoo canadian hypacrit then I will never return to this ridiculious thread filled with so many nasty heartless people.

    Love your neighbour? ring a bell? help a stranger? no...anyone?

    pffff
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