Barrack Hussein Obama's healthcare plan good enough for us but not him!
07-20-2009 02:43 PM
07-20-2009 03:06 PM
I think you gave the wrong link to the story
07-20-2009 03:45 PM
i don't think you guys really understand socialized health care. canada has this setup, and any private citizen that wants quicker treatment gets private healthcare. when you have to wait 3 months for a non life-threatening surgery (ACL tear, etc), the wealthy opt for better care. the fundamental mistake that private health care makes, is that they suspect they will "go away", when clearly people would rather have and pay for quicker/more attentive doctors.
anyone earning in the 90k bracket (or more) will ALWAYS choose to have better health care for their families, than what the lowest tier is forced to deal with.
the added benefit for socialized health care is it makes people want to go to the doctor for a minor infection, instead of going to the ER when it becomes a major infection, and then refuse/can't afford to pay for the surgery.... any time you can slash the end bill by a large portion that will have to be written off anyways, will help. not to mention prediabetes screenings...
07-20-2009 05:32 PM
Basic check-ups aren't expensive to begin with
Those not willing to shell out money to check on their health from time to time probably aren't too interested in keeping themselves healthy in the first place. It shouldn't be anyone else's responsiblity to take care of them if they aren't willing to do it first.
Most boo-boos, bumps, scrapes, bruises and ouchies aren't going to get any additional treatment that you couldn't of received from a trip to the OTC portion of your local pharmacy. Most people won't pay 300 a year on physicals but yet we're supposed to all pay a portion higher even when we're already doing this for ourselves.
I could opt out of healthcare and have more disposable income... However comma I choose having coverage.
07-20-2009 11:23 PM
There's also a difference between not being able to afford it and being irresponsible and not propperly managing one's personal finances. I've met people in the past with 2-3 kids who "couldn't afford" insurance, yet had a fairly nice house and two car payments and managed to make ends meet. Many people are uninsured simply due to bad choices and back assward priorities.
07-20-2009 11:27 PM
or like my girlfriend, they have a bulging disk, an appendix removed, and a gall bladder removed, and no insurance will cover her. just food for thought.
Originally Posted by roids1
07-20-2009 11:43 PM
The disc would be a pre-existing condition. But, I don't see how not having a gall bladder or an appendix would bar her from insurance. It just seems like in that case, you could shop around and find coverage.
07-21-2009 12:32 AM
nope. not with two past surgeries (not including c-sections) and chronic pain. remember that insurance is a business, and she would qualify as a liability.
Originally Posted by roids1
07-21-2009 01:26 AM
yes indeed. i was trying to elude that the system gets backed up. i hear the worst part is that the homeless population goes there feigning an illness when it gets too cold to be outside.
on the bright side, you don't have to pay 2600 bucks when a doctor gives you meds you're allergic too, and have to take a 1 mile ambulance ride. 10k for the overnight, and 10% of our checking account (county shrink) because they didn't want to read her allergy chart (morphine) and decided that she overdosed....
07-21-2009 02:13 AM
ya I hear ya, it goes both ways, the homeless thing is true as its gets close to -50 in some places here...thats celcius boys...yes believe it...with the windchill...
Originally Posted by suncloud
in the province I live in now they do the same, if you need an ambulance its 600$, when you leave the hospital they ding you for it, no other province does this except Alberta, real stupid if you ask me.
10k for overnight? jesus, i think id take my chances without the hospital...I just moved reaaal close to our hospital so Ill crawl there before calling an ambulance.
07-21-2009 02:36 AM
Man whine whine whine. WE GET FREE MEDICAL!!!!!! FREE. If you dont like it pay for it just like the americans and many other people do. Put down the steroids and burgers and eat some vegetables for fk sakes. If you dont want to wait than dont, go somewhere else and pay.
Heres the deal with canadian healthcare... EVERYONE GETS IT. The people with money, or better judgement can go elsewhere then do and stop fking complaining. Go to school and teach yourself about the human body and i know you will realise you dont need a doctor anyways.
If people knew what healthy really was we would force reform on our food production, we would stop filling our bodies with drugs, stop vaccinating our babies, fast food would be illegal and so would smoking and drinking.
When everyone gets healthy then we wont have to pay an arm and a leg for care since the system wont be abused by people who intentionally or unintentionally abuse it.
You can cleanse your liver and gall bladder with dandelion root and golden seal then drink unfiltered apple juice and olive oil with lemon to cleanse your gall bladder. A doctor wont tell you this so get off your azz and read some fkin info and stop expecting other people, governments or buisnesses to take care of you.
YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON YOU CAN RELY ON. Stop whinning.
The only difference is accidents and developmental deformities. Shiet happens life happens and in canada they will sew my fingers back on and treat me no matter how much money i have.
IF YOUR POOR YOUR LUCKY TO HAVE MEDICAL PAID FOR SHUT UP GET A JOB, IF YOUR RICH GO PAY SOMEWHERE ELSE AND SHUP UP.
The earth provides for us in everyway. Medication and doctors largely fix problems we gave ourselves by being GREEDY, stupid, lazy, ignorant, close minded or the victim of circumstance and poor timing.
Goverment wants our money, doctors want our money, drug companies want our money, mcdonalds wants our money, starbucks wants our money. Grow a brain censor what you eat, grow your own hormone, chemical free food. Stop eating dairy, wash the pesticides off your food. EAt a 80% alkaline diet since almost all diseased and ailments start from a dominantly acidic diet. Stop reading information paid for by drug companies and their chronies. Dont eat meat from an animal that was tortured, locked in a box and raped for its nutritional value. If you cant do these things then EXPECT to get cancer or expect your body to fail when you pump it full of shiet that shouldnt be in there wheather you did it willingly or not.
Drugs dont fix problems that diet created. If you dont believe me then go ahead and die in the hospital for free ill cover my share of the tab and not Whine about it.
I have to pay for people to eat garbage, smoke, drink and never have a clue about THEIR OWN body. Big deal i dont have to wait in line at the doctors office since i have researched the cause of my ailment and adress the causes
1) diet 2) environment or 3) history of 1 and 2.
07-21-2009 05:20 AM
Perfect, duh nothing is perfect.
Originally Posted by searl12
I am not talking smack about how smart i am but if your in the doctors office there is a reason for it and they don't have the solution or care what the cause is. I adressed that i am ok with paying for it since i expect people to be like you.
I am mad because i pay for other people to be ignorant and i perpetually try to learn more to actually fix people who care to listen. There is always an answer and this day and age people watch t.v think that is reality and in reality our entire social system is dated and corrupt. No one cares about you so you should care about yourself.
07-21-2009 08:17 AM
Running with the Big Boys
Holy **** SWG,
NOTHING IS FREE... do you people not get that? There is not one damn free ride anywhere in this world. Your ass taking that "Free" ambulance ride is coming out of someone ELSES pocket there my friend. But that is the problem with these useless ass social programs that only benefits the group of people that want to put their hand out and receive. Never thinking about where it is coming from.
Am I in the top echelon of money makers? No. But do I think it is any way shape or form right they should pay for the people who do not care to care for themselves? Hell no.
Your system is even more broken than ours is, so take a damn pill and calm down. If people want to smoke, drink, and drug their selves into cardiac arrest, that is completely fine with me... But not on my dime! I think you are agreeing with me on that aspect, but I can never fully tell with you.
The media seems to be eating away at you with the fear mongering that Obama has been spewing since he took up his healthcare act. Here is strait from the HIPPA, and I know this is true because it has applied to my life. Your story does not co inside with law today, and if you are gaining different treatment, then maybe you should bring this to the judicial system, since you are upset with a system that isn't even broken in the aspects you are upset about.
A limitation or exclusion of benefits for a condition based on the fact that you had the condition before your enrollment date in the group health plan. A pre-existing condition exclusion may be applied to your condition only if the condition is one for which medical advice, diagnosis, care or treatment was recommended or received within the 6 months before your enrollment date in the plan. A pre-existing condition exclusion cannot be applied to pregnancy (regardless of whether the woman had previous coverage), or to genetic information in the absence of a diagnosis. A pre-existing condition exclusion also cannot be applied to a newborn or a child who is adopted or placed for adoption if the child has health coverage within 30 days of birth, adoption or placement for adoption and does not later have a significant break in coverage. If a plan provides coverage to you through an HMO that has an affiliation period, the plan cannot apply a pre-existing condition exclusion. A pre-existing condition exclusion can not be longer than 12 months from your enrollment date (18 months for a late enrollee). A pre-existing condition exclusion that is applied to you must be reduced by the prior creditable coverage you have that was not interrupted by a significant break in coverage. You may show creditable coverage through a certificate of creditable coverage given to you by your prior plan or insurer (including an HMO) or by other proof. The plan can apply a pre-existing condition exclusion to you only if it has first given you written notice. If your plan has both a waiting period and a pre-existing condition exclusion, the exclusion begins when the waiting period begins. In some states, if plan coverage is provided through an insurance policy or HMO, you may have more protections with respect to pre-existing condition exclusions.
07-21-2009 10:58 AM
Well which is it? You are ok with paying for someone else's "free healthcare", then you are mad about having to do it. If something is a "right" to an individual, it shouldn't cost another person money to pay for it. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are rights. They don't cost another person so much that it brings them down to another person's level financially or soci-economically. Why do politicians that espouse social equality never want to raise people up to a higher standard? They just want to drag people that live at a higher level down to a less than mediocre level and make everyone equal there. All the while saying someone that worked hard for something that you don't have doesn't deserve it. Instead, they should tell the "underprivilaged" that they do deserve to be at a higher level, get off your lazy butt and use some creativity and talent that God gave you and make something for yourself.
Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
07-21-2009 11:11 AM
07-21-2009 12:06 PM
we do however get it "free" so to say.....we are also extremely heavily income taxed...and as the years go on the system gets worse and worse.
This is the end result. How is Massachussett's universal health care plan going?
Here is an article from a "progressive activist" website :http://www.progressivestates.org/jou...idual-citizens
07-21-2009 12:18 PM
This place seems to be a bastion of conservative thinkers. When I saw Anne Coulter books advertised on this site, I knew I was at home.
07-21-2009 12:19 PM
You bring up a good point....a "right" is inherent to a sentient being at birth...there is NO right in existence that MUST be provided to you by aNOTHER sentient being - meaning there is no right in existence that must be provided by removing another person's rights.
Originally Posted by youngandfree
Health care is NOT a right.
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07-21-2009 12:19 PM
COMMON SENSE THINKERS as well.
Originally Posted by roids1
07-21-2009 12:23 PM
I am glad to see there are some level headed people in Cali still!
Originally Posted by dsade
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