Question for Obama Voters

[Irish Cannon]

This is a serious question, and since this is an anonymous forum, I'd appreciate truthful answers. I don't want to start another debate, so I'm just asking those of you that apply. I won't even respond to the answers as I don't want to start another argument.

Is there any part of you that is starting to feel as though you may have participated in a fraud?

[Adam23294]

Define what you mean by "fraud". I haven't agreed with everything he's done so far but I definitely wouldn't use the word "fraud".

[JW32Hoops]

I don't regret my vote, as there wasn't much of a choice. (McCain/Palin?....really?....c'mon) However, I will say that I'm coming around to the conclusion that politics are mostly BS and both sides generally yield a similar result. Their motives (R's and D's) are their own and not ours. Barack Obama seems very personable, charismatic, intelligent, well-read, diplomatic, etc, etc, etc....but I'm losing the feeling that he is "transcendent" of the politics/politicians that have come before him.

[AE14]

Define what you mean by "fraud". I haven't agreed with everything he's done so far but I definitely wouldn't use the word "fraud".

I agree, I dont know if fraud is the right term. I stated here many times, I was not a huge fan, however the opposition gave me less to be excited about and I felt little to no choice in the matter.

Am I thrilled with him? no. However, I dont think anyone was going to come in and fix the mess that was left for the last decade

[DAdams91982]

Glad to see everyone here that felt they had no choice didn't choose to vote third party.

This right here is why the two party system thrives today, is because everyone thinks there is only two sides to the story.

Adams

[DAdams91982]

Am I thrilled with him? no. However, I dont think anyone was going to come in and fix the mess that was left for the last decade

Please refrain from placing blame squarely on one pair of shoulders. Carter passed the CRA, Clinton gave it new legs, hence the economic situation. Bush I's inconsistency with Iraq led Bush II to finish a job that should have been done two administrations prior. There is no one pair of shoulders that carries the issues today, and to lay the mess squarely on the last decade is not a style I would expect from you in a debate.

Whats the next answer... "Better than the dictatorship we lived under the last 8 years". pfft... give me a break.

Adams

[Adam23294]

Glad to see everyone here that felt they had no choice didn't choose to vote third party.

This right here is why the two party system thrives today, is because everyone thinks there is only two sides to the story.

Adams

I would've loved to vote for a third party candidate i.e. an Independent. However, I was being realistic in realizing that my vote would've essentially gone down the toilet.

[JW32Hoops]

Glad to see everyone here that felt they had no choice didn't choose to vote third party.

This right here is why the two party system thrives today, is because everyone thinks there is only two sides to the story.

Adams

I actually registered as a Republican in NY (where I lived at the time) so I could vote for Ron Paul in the GOP primary. I'm all for fringe candidates, but the system itself must somehow change to break free of this "must be R or D" mentality and give 3rd party candidates true hope. It's a fine line between not allowing them to participate in debates at all, receive no public campaign $, etc....and having 5,000 candidates for POTUS.

[UGHQTempus]

I voted for myself. I though I'd do a better job than either party.

I want to see a smaller government. Neither party really wants that - both sides want the government to control tons of cash they just want to control where it goes (ie. party supporters.)

A bloated federal government is not an efficient organization. The only projects they should be involved in are ones that only care about results and not about efficiency (space program, national defense, etc.)

[JW32Hoops]

Please refrain from placing blame squarely on one pair of shoulders. Carter passed the CRA, Clinton gave it new legs, hence the economic situation. Bush I's inconsistency with Iraq led Bush II to finish a job that should have been done two administrations prior. There is no one pair of shoulders that carries the issues today, and to lay the mess squarely on the last decade is not a style I would expect from you in a debate.

Whats the next answer... "Better than the dictatorship we lived under the last 8 years". pfft... give me a break.

Adams

Every previous administration we've ever had has contributed to leading us down the path we're currently on, back to Washington. Butterfly effect, yada yada yada...no arguments on that......but to use that argument to deflect criticism of the previous two-term administration is no better.

[DAdams91982]

Every previous administration we've ever had has contributed to leading us down the path we're currently on, back to Washington. Butterfly effect, yada yada yada...no arguments on that......but to use that argument to deflect criticism of the previous two-term administration is no better.

No, to lay complete blame on only the previous admin is asinine. It irritates the ever living **** out of me when people just debate the person, and not the issues. That argument is weak.

Also I didn't deflect way from Bush, in fact his Stimulus 1 bill makes me puke, and gave Obama legs to rape our grandchildren with an astronomical deficit.

Wait... that is the issues though.

OBAMA is the Devil.

Adams

[DAdams91982]

I would've loved to vote for a third party candidate i.e. an Independent. However, I was being realistic in realizing that my vote would've essentially gone down the toilet.

Ah, I love that mentality. Where would we be today if we had that mentality in 1776? Oh yeah... still under British rule.

Adams

[JW32Hoops]

Anyhoo...knew it wouldn't take long for this one to stray off the original topic.

As an Obama voter, I wouldn't quite say that I feel that I've participated in a fraud....yet. I was hoping he'd be different than politicians of the past. Doesn't look like that's very likely, but I'm still holding out hope that his 8 year tenure will ultimately benefit us. (wait, did I just use the word "hope"...twice? man, this kool aid is delicious)

[EasyEJL]

Every previous administration we've ever had has contributed to leading us down the path we're currently on, back to Washington. Butterfly effect, yada yada yada...no arguments on that......but to use that argument to deflect criticism of the previous two-term administration is no better.

What "criticism" was there "fix the mess that was left for the last decade"? How much of that mess do you think HE inherited? Clinton's refusal to take action against Bin Laden led to 9/11, the overinflated and unregulated tech boom from Clinton bursting lead to the start of the financial downturn that Bush inherited. Bush HIMSELF even attempted to take steps to lessen the impact of the housing crisis but the democrat controlled congress refused to take action.

So what mess did he leave? We won't see the real headaches of the mistakes he made for at least another few years. It takes that long for financial systems to react

[roids1]

The problem is, I believe that Obama is sincere and puts principle before politics. Yet, I disagree 200% with his principles. I truley believe he is a socialist (not a marxist/lenninist), but he truley believes in the concept of govt control over major institutions, such as banks, healthcare, energy, and public utilities. Common sense regulation is necessary, but total govt control is a recipe for disaster.

He also seems to believe in the "nanny state" or cradle to grave basic necessities provided by the govt. Just look at every other country where this system has been attempted. It always has failed miserably. Once you completely take the private sector out and remove the profit motive, you're left with nothing but govt beaurocrats determining how these benefits are to be paid for and/or rationed with your tax money and the quality goes down the sh!tter.

As far as the deficit spending. Obama f*cked up royally by instructing the congress to craft the "stimulus" bill during the last months of the Bush administration so that it'd be ready for him to sign immediately after innauguration. The dem controlled congress, with essentially no leadership to speak of, had a giant pork barrel free-for-all and threw every pet project into it they could under the guise of "stimulus". The repubs have no leg to stand on now when they complain about irresponsible spending and Obama is able to justify it by claiming that this is all Bush's fault. That excuse isn't going to last much longer. We're most likey in for much rougher times after all this deficit spending and waste has time to reverberate thru the economy.

[JW32Hoops]

Roids, you're not an Obama voter...all you just did was give your general assessment/opinion on his presidency thus far. You're my man and I love bustin' stones with ya, but you know how quickly/easily a thread like this can veer from the OP's intent.

[EasyEJL]

yeah, true, mine too

[Jayhawkk]

There's a politics section. Please put these types of threads in there.

[Droppingloads]

There's a politics section. Please put these types of threads in there.

+1000000000000000000000

[bigpapa]

This is a serious question, and since this is an anonymous forum, I'd appreciate truthful answers. I don't want to start another debate, so I'm just asking those of you that apply. I won't even respond to the answers as I don't want to start another argument.

Is there any part of you that is starting to feel as though you may have participated in a fraud?

i agree with the term fraud. he put up such a big front, got elected, and wtf is he doing? and heres why:

1) first couple of weeks he signs a bill giving AIG relief, who then uses it to pay their executive bonuses.
2) He just sat back and watched North Korea launched a nuclear missile that coule hit Alaska.
3) He is being a ***** about Iran.
4) He signs an electrical bill that promises better energy consumption and efficiciency, which in turn is going to raise our electrical rates.
5) He signs an anti-smoking bill yet cant quit himself.
6) Scares the living **** out of new yorkers by flying a plane so close to the ground.
7) Did anybody hear his press conference the other day? he is becoming an arrogant, self righteous prick. he was asked a question and he simple said "i'm going to do what I want because I'm the president."

do i believe the participation in fraud? dam right