Fact Checking NBC: SNL Palin Incest Skit
- 09-22-2008, 08:55 PM
Fact Checking NBC: SNL Palin Incest Skit
WTF....I hope no one has the audacity to defend that skit. You can say it was poking fun at the NY Times, but there is a line of good taste and it was utterly ignored.
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRXQ2ZueP5c"]YouTube - Saturday Night Live Todd Palin - Incest Smear[/nomedia]
This was the only video of it I could find.
- 09-23-2008, 10:43 PM
Nobody wants to talk about this? Not many things leave me speechless, but when I heard about this I was completely speechless.
- 09-23-2008, 11:01 PM
I can remember when skits like this were taboo... I liked T.V. a lot more then.
Without picking a side, I will say that it was poor taste and I don't think that it was funny.
09-24-2008, 08:41 AM
09-24-2008, 09:29 AM
09-24-2008, 09:55 AM
certain things are off limits, and this should be one of them. There are too many times where things go overboard, pathetic
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09-24-2008, 01:08 PM
You guys are really worried about a skit on saturday night live? There is no more pressing issues we could be debating than a satirical news conference from a moving picture box thats existence is only to sell commercials?
How about if you replaced palins husband with Earl Higgins from arkansas, still not funny?
09-24-2008, 01:28 PM
I can't believe this barely even made the news anywhere other than on conservative talk radio. Just shows who is deciding on what is newsworthy.
09-24-2008, 01:41 PM
If you think this is bad, you would riot in the streets over south park.
09-24-2008, 01:46 PM
09-24-2008, 02:11 PM
I'm not an investment banker, I cant say why certain financial decisions are made.
But its not up for discussion whether T.V. is a for profit enterprise, its a fact. T.V. isn't the peace corp, its a business.
09-24-2008, 02:22 PM
I showed you that cable news networks were not doing what makes them the most money. I'd say they are either incompetent or they are basing their decisions on something other than money.
09-24-2008, 02:28 PM
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
- Evelyn Beatrice Hall
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09-24-2008, 03:32 PM
That being said, I don't believe its the FCC's role to step in and censor it. It was on late at night which is the appropriate time for more racy material.
09-24-2008, 03:33 PM
I dont honestly believe there is a channel out there that isnt carefully scripted by the managers overseeing the writers. Case in point is bill o'reilly vs daily show. 2 very different target markets that they attract with a similar marketing plan. Making viewers happy = more viewers= money.
09-24-2008, 03:45 PM
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10-05-2008, 12:05 PM
I have to disagree on this one. Freedom of speech is absolute. Somewhere along the way the right to free speech got confused with the right to not be offended. As far as I know, most tv's come with a remote or some form of device for channel manipulation if you find something offensive. If you don't like it, employ them. I saw it as completely satyrical. At no point did I think they were actually accusing them of incest. It was more of a swipe at journalist/media. To me, it was no more offensive than the blatant lies and insults told to us thru the candidates campaign ads.
10-05-2008, 03:07 PM
who cares its a tv show! they make jokes, it was funny! i laughed hahahaha! with al the stuff going on right now this should be the least of your worries!
10-05-2008, 03:08 PM
10-05-2008, 08:03 PM
However, that wasn't even the issue I brought up. I thought the skit was in poor taste and that NBC should acknowledge they went to far and apologize to the Palins. I never said that it should be censored by the government.
10-05-2008, 11:25 PM
10-06-2008, 01:06 PM
Whooooo cares? It was a stupid skit, but come on. Getting your panties in a bunch over it is kinda lame.
10-06-2008, 01:09 PM
10-06-2008, 03:37 PM
You guys don't know from bad taste unless you watch Family Guy. That being said the show is funny as hell, you find yourself doubled over in laughter as your mind is saying "That ain't right"
10-06-2008, 06:18 PM
Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. Criticism of the government and advocation of unpopular ideas that people may find distasteful or against public policy, such as racism, are generally permitted. There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity, child pornography laws, and regulation of commercial speech such as advertising. Other limitations on free speech often balance rights to free speech and other rights, such as property rights for authors and inventors (copyright), interests in fair political campaigns (Campaign finance laws), protection from imminent or potential violence against particular persons (restrictions on Hate speech or fighting words), or the use of untruths to harm others (slander). Distinctions are also often made between speech and other acts, such as flag desecration, which may have symbolic significance.
Obviously there are limitations based upon this entry, and therefore Freedom of Speech is NOT absolute. You may disagree with the interpretation of the Supreme Court, but they are the final say in the interpretation of the first amendment. They have said in several rulings that there are limits on free speech, just as there are limits in the right to bear arms.
As for the issue over whether or not NBC should apologize, I think this is an agree to disagree issue.
10-13-2008, 02:38 AM
The First Amendment was ratified on December 15, 1791. The Amendment states:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Sounds pretty damn clear to me.
10-13-2008, 09:21 AM
Take a step back. Read my posts. I never said I thought this should be a legal issue. NEVER. Read my posts. All the stuff I wrote was in response to you saying:
I'm well aware of the people vs larry flynt decision and what I said had nothing to do with that decision. I said that since NBC claims to be a reputable and unbiased news and entertainment source they should apologize to the Palin family. You disagree obviously, so as I said in the previous post.....we should agree to disagree.
10-13-2008, 12:02 PM
10-13-2008, 12:05 PM
10-13-2008, 12:19 PM
An apology from NBC would not be unprecedented by any stretch. The last link is an apology about a SNL skit.
As for your Larry Flynt parallel. Larry Flynt was a libel suit. I said NBC should apologize for their skit. Apples and oranges.
10-13-2008, 12:53 PM
As was mentioned earlier in the discussion, the skit was clearly not intended as a slight to the Palin family, but as a critique of journalism, as evinced by the headline about the journalist who excelled at exposing stories that have no proof or negative proof. I don't want to be disrespectful of the people in this discussion, but it seemed readily apparent to me that the skit was not an indictment of Todd Palin at all and to interpret it as such seriously misses the point.
Further, as far as the Free Speech discussion goes, it is important to mention the State Action doctrine - our free speech is protected as against actions by Congress, not by private individuals, as with other "fundamental rights." I, as a private citizen, am free to deprive you of your right to free speech. The Constitution was written as a check on the power of the federal gov't against the states, not private citizens or corporations against eachother.
10-13-2008, 03:13 PM
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