John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate
- 09-09-2008, 09:34 PM
John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate
The Manchurian Candidate connection:
McCain was subjected to 5 ½ years of Soviet driven "brain perversion techniques."
Is he fit to be President and Commander in Chief of the military?
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
By Ted Sampley
For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.
McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.
Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.
At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened."
Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.
In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.
Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."
The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer."
The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.
McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.
These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."
McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement."
In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.
Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.
No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.
Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner.
McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.
U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs
Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them."
During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.
Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½-year prisoner of the communists.
The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.
By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted."
Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.
Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.
Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog."
Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media."
Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.
In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."
Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.
Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.
McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.
In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.
More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."
During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.
News pundits have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity.
What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.
It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."
Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?
McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?
Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?
Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?
McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?
Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?
Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?
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- 09-09-2008, 09:50 PM
Interesting theory, sadly theres only one way to find out...
- 09-09-2008, 09:57 PM
At least the Manchurian Candidate gets shot in the end
09-09-2008, 10:16 PM
09-09-2008, 10:21 PM
I don't want John McCain to be president but for me what he did in the war is off limits when it comes to any type of criticism. Very few men would have even survived that with their brains intact much less accomplish what he has since. He was the epitome of what a serviceman could be asked to be. I also think that there were any effects of that nature, they would have come out a long time ago.
09-09-2008, 10:23 PM
09-09-2008, 10:26 PM
09-09-2008, 10:32 PM
09-09-2008, 10:35 PM
"Mind control techniques" - fortunately enough - are a very foregone, ineffective conclusion. We (North Americans) tried our very own brand during that same period: MKULTRA Project.
09-09-2008, 10:38 PM
My apologies dudes. If I harmed you with my tasteless joke, then I'm in the wrong. Seriously though, are you gonna go around and neg everyone that makes a "bad joke" or is this because you're politically one sided? Actually, I don't care what it is. I'm sorry I offended you, and will make no further McCain jokes and will frown upon anyone who makes jokes about him also... this is ridiculous
09-09-2008, 10:43 PM
09-09-2008, 10:46 PM
09-09-2008, 10:47 PM
I really don't care anymore man. I offended you, you neg repped me, I apologize - it's done.
09-09-2008, 10:52 PM
Further, the civilian participants received irreparable damage while not displaying any ability for external control via hypnotic suggestion, perception altering narcotics, or otherwise. Current research utilizing MDA/MDMA and PTSD Patients is also elucidating the highly variable nature of cognitive suggestion.
Conclusion: Mind control is a foregone conclusion.
09-11-2008, 06:19 AM
Or the VETERANS who run the site it was posted to?
Tell THEM they're being disrespectful to you hero.
09-11-2008, 06:21 AM
09-11-2008, 06:39 AM
You haven't heard about his legendary temper? His poor impulse control? His resolute indifference to veterans' affairs *except* when he's campaigning?I also think that there were any effects of that nature, they would have come out a long time ago.
That's not even going into his reversals on virtually every position he ever said he cared about, his delusional belief that his Congressional voting record magically contains whatever he says it contains, and his inability to grasp the existence of the dozens of videos that prove him a serial, flip-flopping, about-facing liar.
Fortunately for him - and unfortunately for hte rest of us - his "supporters are apparently impervious to ANY proof that he EVER did ANYTHING that was not heroic. Or, maybe, his "supporters" DO know, and don't care, for no better reason than that he's "on their team".
09-11-2008, 11:51 AM
09-11-2008, 12:18 PM
I think it's funny how you think you're so different from the very people you lash out against. You get up in arms when people call Obama or other liberals socialists but then turn around and call them fascists. You think people are insolent neocons when they support a republican, put spin on a story, use propaganda or "insult" opponents so you go ahead and do THE VERY SAME THING. You, sir, are the better man.
09-11-2008, 12:37 PM
Everyone has an agenda...
I think everyone has a right to know if he did something terrible or was treated like a King compared to the other POW's but didn't disclose it.
I think the article is pretty out there as far as conspiracy theories are concerned.
09-11-2008, 02:14 PM
09-11-2008, 03:24 PM
First off: please be specific about when, where and against whom I've "lashed out". Oh, and I did not call you a fascist. I said you were in the tank for the fascists, and I think your apparent knee-jerk reactions make a fairly compelling case for me being as close to right as anyone on your side ever gets. If my opinion about the dominant forces behind the McCain campaign offends you, then perhaps there's more you could learn about them.
Second: if your side is in any way justified in calling your opponents socialists - without any reference to reality - then I'm just as free to call your side fascists. "specially when I can actually point to definitions and stuff.
Third: you only know what I think when I tell you what I think. Anything short of that, and you're just making stuff up...which is a nice way of saying you're wrong about what I think.
Fourth: 'spin' is about point-of-view, not about simply making sh!t up; 'lying' is about making stuff up and claiming it's true. Likewise, 'propaganda' is about intentionally misleading people, and once again is about presenting falsehood as fact, not 'presenting an alternative point-of-view'. Being wrong, however, is just being wrong: more thought and / or better information can always repair the situation. Facts are a good example of better information.
Fifth: I have not intentionally insulted you or anyone else here in any way. If I have unintentionally insulted - well, I don't know about it, do I? If you disagree with me about anything, feel free to prove me wrong: better information, better thinking, will always get my attention. In a related note, I have NOT done "THE VERY SAME THING" as you claim. Whether that makes me the better man, some might well agree...but I couldn't possibly comment.
Finally, I DO NOT consider support for Republican candidates or policies to be the sole province of "insolent neocons"; there are many reasons why men & women of good-will can disagree on policies, personalities, and strategies.
It *may* interest you to know that I worked for the Goldwater campaign in '64, and for some years spent my Wednesday nights discussing politics and current affairs with Larry McDonald (yes, in person). I am a life-long strict-constructionist, Constitutionally, and a life-long admirer and student of Bill Buckley. In a similar vein, I'm currently working my way through the collected works of Kevin Phillips, one of the most brilliant political minds of the last century - and perhaps the most effective Republican strategist of the pre-Rove era.
However, please feel free to continue making baseless assumptions about me.
09-11-2008, 04:08 PM
What's my side?if your side is in any way justified in calling your opponents socialists
Like you assuming I'm a republican?baseless assumptions about me.
09-11-2008, 04:56 PM
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09-11-2008, 05:29 PM
09-11-2008, 05:48 PM
09-11-2008, 05:52 PM
Article actually makes sense seeing is how McCain has clearly been "brainwashed" by Bush. At the very least, he's very open to GW's suggestions since 2002.
McCain is my senator and has actually lied directly to my face and done a flippety-floppety 180 on a land trade issue that he initially opposed, then at the 11th hour voted in. Turns out, the developers he helped became one of his bigger campaign contributors. Maybe they were versed in Soviet era mind control lobbying..or maybe it was just the cold, hard cash.
09-11-2008, 06:03 PM
09-11-2008, 08:10 PM
BodyWizard, I've got to say in reference to your first post in
this thread....are you efffing kidding me? Please tell me that was an attempt at humor that I misread somehow and not supposed to be a plausible posting. That takes conspiracy theory to an entirely different level. Maybe I should wear tin foil on my head to protect my thoughts from aliens also.
09-11-2008, 08:18 PM
09-11-2008, 08:32 PM
09-12-2008, 07:06 AM
09-12-2008, 09:04 AM
"Because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam"
This is incorrect...the commander of all US forces fighting in Vietnam was General William C. Westmoreland..
Shortly after his ar*****, Westmoreland was made permanent commander of MACV and given command of all US forces in Vietnam. Commanding 16,000 men in 1964, Westmoreland oversaw the escalation of the conflict and had 535,000 troops under his control when he departed in 1968.
From 1968-72 he oversaw the war back in the US
Admiral McCain was in Vietnam, however he wasn't the commander...makes you wonder about the accuracy of the rest of this article
09-12-2008, 12:03 PM
Ditto..a lot of the purported claims cannot be verified as far as I can tell.
Good piece of fiction though. Right up there with Obama being a Manchurian Al_Aquaida Candidate.
Sadly, people will say or do anything to get their guy into office and this practice knows no specific party.
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