AnaBeta Elite on CBL

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  1. AnaBeta Elite on CBL


    Hi guys,

    I've been reading these forums for quite a while now and decided to sign-up myself (even though my English is quite embarrassing as I'm a kraut lol) since you provide such a great extent of useful information.

    I was wondering if anybody has already tried combining carb-backloading with Anabeta Elite. As stated on the product's description, one is supposed to eat lots of carbs throughout the day to get the most out of it, whereas carb-backloading allows them only during the post-workout window. For the rest of the day CBL requires an ultra-low-carb regimen with high-fat/high-protein.

    Would it be advisable to change to another form of nutrition to suit Anabeta Elite, or can I link it up with carb-backloading without worrying about suboptimal results?

    Thanks in advance for your feedback


  2. I have never done CBL but you should be fine with AnaBeta Elite and CBL.
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  3. You should be good to go combining the two.
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  4. Why are you supposed to eat lots of carbs during the day with ABE? I got 2 bottles coming and I'm still cutting.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by peepingyoda View Post
    Why are you supposed to eat lots of carbs during the day with ABE? I got 2 bottles coming and I'm still cutting.
    are you following a particular nutritional protocol?

    however, this is what PES makes clear in the product's description (the part in bold is key here):

    FEED To Your Goals - Harness the POWER of Anabolism
    The first thing most will notice is an increased demand for ALL nutrients. This is due to AnaBeta Elite putting your body at a high level of anabolism. With increased anabolism you will have an increase in hunger -- don't freak out-- this is a sign of increased protein synthesis and an increase in muscle glycogen storage; two common properties of anabolics. You need to feed the demanding muscles towards your goals. You need to be eating protein, carbs, and BCAAs. Your muscles will be demanding to grow, so let them! Feed towards your goals.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by peepingyoda View Post
    Why are you supposed to eat lots of carbs during the day with ABE? I got 2 bottles coming and I'm still cutting.
    You do not necessarily have to eat a ton of carbs, but eating carbs around your ABE doses can be beneficial.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    You do not necessarily have to eat a ton of carbs, but eating carbs around your ABE doses can be beneficial.
    Damn, I was looking for an excuse to pound some carbs. I have was doing 50ish grams per day and I've recently bumped this closer to 100 gm. I'm stalling out so I will have to add a carb refeed one day per week at least.

    I have to be really careful. I did 15 pounds with old ABE and ArA in 2 months, but it wasn't all that lean (Was eating 200+ carbs a day.. and not the cleanest. Damn you fried chicken and chinese buffet). I've just cut back down in the last couple months with some nice lean tissue kept. I am probably sitting around 10-12% bf right now. I was going to cut a little more before lean bulking/recomp. I am currently loving Lean Extreme with Alphamine. I still have a month left of these and my two bottles of ABE on the way. I may just overlap them.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by peepingyoda View Post
    Damn, I was looking for an excuse to pound some carbs. I have was doing 50ish grams per day and I've recently bumped this closer to 100 gm. I'm stalling out so I will have to add a carb refeed one day per week at least. I have to be really careful. I did 15 pounds with old ABE and ArA in 2 months, but it wasn't all that lean (Was eating 200+ carbs a day.. and not the cleanest. Damn you fried chicken and chinese buffet). I've just cut back down in the last couple months with some nice lean tissue kept. I am probably sitting around 10-12% bf right now. I was going to cut a little more before lean bulking/recomp. I am currently loving Lean Extreme with Alphamine. I still have a month left of these and my two bottles of ABE on the way. I may just overlap them.
    I wasn't saying you can't pound some carbs with ABE. When I run ABE, I always seem to tolerate carbs much better and the carb count is pretty high. One thing to consider is getting in the majority of your carbs around your ABE dosing.
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  9. At OP, I do IF, so I'm essentially carb back loading as well. U will love anabeta elite with your approach. Nothing to worry about IMO

  10. Was my answer on Facebook and via PM not enough? lol
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Was my answer on Facebook and via PM not enough? lol
    Oh idk I was just feeling chatty. As u can tell from my slew of posts.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Oh idk I was just feeling chatty. As u can tell from my slew of posts.
    He was addressing me, I guess lol

    I started this thread before noticing how many of you actually are quite good PES experts. Anyway, thanks for your replies guys, I will give Anabeta Elite and Erase Pro a go, maybe complemented with some DAA, what do you think?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    He was addressing me, I guess lol I started this thread before noticing how many of you actually are quite good PES experts. Anyway, thanks for your replies guys, I will give Anabeta Elite and Erase Pro a go, maybe complemented with some DAA, what do you think?
    I think that's an e****lent choice for a stack.
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  14. That's great news. How would you guys split ABE/EP/DAA doses considering the following plan? The first half of the day till I workout is ultra-low-carb with a maximum of 800 calories in order to enhance fat-burning. After training I pig out on high-glycemic carbs.

    10.00 PM to 8.00 AM: Fasting

    8.00 AM: Breakfast-Shake (6g MCT-Oil, 10g Whey Isolate, Coffee [about 300mg caffeine])

    9.00 AM: SNACK (16g fat - 16g protein - no carbs)

    1.00 PM: LUNCH (27g fat - 24g protein - no carbs)

    5:00 PM: PRE-WO-SHAKE (12g MCT-Oil, 20g Whey Isolate, Coffee (about 300mg caffeine)

    5:30 PM: Workout

    7:00 PM: PWO-SHAKE (52g Maltodextrin, 25g Whey Hydrolysate, 30g Whey Isolate, 15g Micellar Casein, 5g L-Leucine, 5g Creatine, 150mg Caffeine)

    7:30 PM: 1st PWO-meal (118g carbs - 55g protein - 18g fat)

    8:30 PM: 2nd PWO-meal (76g carbs - 40g protein - 3g fat)

    9:30 PM: 3rd PWO-meal (88g carbs - 47g protein - 36g fat)

    TOTALS: 3.492 Calories - 337g Carbs - 114g Fat - 271g Protein
    I've already read DAA has no particular directions, just take 3g at any time of the day, but I'd like to know your opinion about dosing/timing ABE & EP, since my nutritional protocol is a bit weird.

  15. Since aren't getting in any carbs pre-workout, I would go like this:

    ABE: 2 prior to your first meal post workout (not your shake). 2 prior to your next meal or 1 prior to meal three and 1 prior to meal four.

    Erase Pro: Dose in the morning.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Since aren't getting in any carbs pre-workout, I would go like this:

    ABE: 2 prior to your first meal post workout (not your shake). 2 prior to your next meal or 1 prior to meal three and 1 prior to meal four.

    Erase Pro: Dose in the morning.
    This seems to be a sound approach, thanks man! Just to be sure: when you say "prior to", do you mean taking the pill just ahead of the meal, or something like half an hour before?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    This seems to be a sound approach, thanks man! Just to be sure: when you say "prior to", do you mean taking the pill just ahead of the meal, or something like half an hour before?
    I dose mine roughly 20 min prior to the meal to reap the GDA benefits.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    I dose mine roughly 20 min prior to the meal to reap the GDA benefits.
    I apologize for my ignorance but the only thing popping up in my mind as to GDA is "guideline daily amount" lol

    is it a substance included in ABE?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post
    I apologize for my ignorance but the only thing popping up in my mind as to GDA is "guideline daily amount" lol is it a substance included in ABE?
    HAHAHAHA no way. That was hilarious.

    GDA = Glucose Disposal Agent
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    HAHAHAHA no way. That was hilarious.

    GDA = Glucose Disposal Agent
    oh right thanks dude! haha... it must be related to the absorption of carbs, I guess. Will have to do some research about that, cause it sounds quite interesting and I really welcome everything optimizing muscle growth

  21. Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    I dose mine roughly 20 min prior to the meal to reap the GDA benefits.
    I always took anabeta with food like at the same time (original) not elite. I was unaware there are gda effects from analycus... Or is it from something else in the NEW elite?

  22. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I always took anabeta with food like at the same time (original) not elite. I was unaware there are gda effects from analycus... Or is it from something else in the NEW elite?
    I've always taken AB and ABE pre meal. Anacyclus has GDA properties. The new elite with the new additions will give it additional GDA properties.
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  23. I don't want to contradict you, but I found two older posts by "Nattydisaster" and "Kevinhy" in which they claim the following:

    Quote Originally Posted by Nattydisaster
    some people think [Anabeta Elite] its a GDA product, maybe working through GLUT4, but research suggests this is likely not the case. The glycogen retention people feel is from the anabolic state of the body.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevinhy
    Is AnaBeta just an insulin mimetic?
    Not at all. The reason people at first assume it may just be an insulin mimetic is because AnaBeta increases the users level of anabolism. When this happens your body increases protein synthesis and muscle glycogen storage in skeletal muscle. Since these processes are now increased, your body will demand more nutrients. This demand will sometimes give users a hungry and/or low blood sugar feeling. You must feed your body with protein, carbs, BCAAs, etc to get the most out of this. Do NOT just give it carbs thinking AnaBeta is just an insulin mimetic product, because it is not. Feed yourself towards your goals.
    maybe some scientific data about anacyclus could be helpful to fully understand its benefits

  24. I wasn't implying all Anabeta or Anabeta Elite were GDA supplements. I was simply stating it has some GDA properties.
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  25. I do backloading as well


    Here's my advice;

    20-25g carb per 10 -12 sets (75-100reps). And do it intra workout

    Empty 1-2 anabeta into the mix. Along with any other GDA or whatever you want (some taste like ass recompadrol included, but slin by lg or regular ala is not to bad) with some aminos

    Drink it during your workout, and then when you get home eat your protein fat meal (30-60 min upon cessation of training).

    I do this BC I train In the morning tho. Just an example

  26. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I do backloading as well
    Here's my advice;

    20-25g carb per 10 -12 sets (75-100reps). And do it intra workout

    Empty 1-2 anabeta into the mix. Along with any other GDA or whatever you want (some taste like ass recompadrol included, but slin by lg or regular ala is not to bad) with some aminos

    Drink it during your workout, and then when you get home eat your protein fat meal (30-60 min upon cessation of training).

    I do this BC I train In the morning tho. Just an example
    Nice to hear I'm not the only one doing CBL. Does your intra-shake also apply for very short training sessions? I usually keep the workout within a 1 hour window since I'm doing SuperSets. As I can only train in the evening because of work, my backload is chock-full of carbs/protein and little fat. Would your dosing/timing suggestion stay the same in this case?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by MaXopA View Post

    Nice to hear I'm not the only one doing CBL. Does your intra-shake also apply for very short training sessions? I usually keep the workout within a 1 hour window since I'm doing SuperSets. As I can only train in the evening because of work, my backload is chock-full of carbs/protein and little fat. Would your dosing/timing suggestion stay the same in this case?
    I'd cut my intra carbs to just 20-30 just to get your bodies enzymes working for optimal glucose absorption after doing low carb.

    With that said. Protein fats in the morning, either pre workout carbs at 25g or intra carbs at 25g, the. Post workout eat

  28. To clarify it increases glycogen retention and accelerates clearance of blood glucose in response to a meal. If you take it without food, it won't act as a GDA (as opposed to, say, Na-r-ala)

  29. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    To clarify it increases glycogen retention and accelerates clearance of blood glucose in response to a meal. If you take it without food, it won't act as a GDA (as opposed to, say, Na-r-ala)
    Boom!

    Exactly.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    To clarify it increases glycogen retention and accelerates clearance of blood glucose in response to a meal. If you take it without food, it won't act as a GDA (as opposed to, say, Na-r-ala)
    So it would be okay to take Anabeta fasted, pre workout?
  

  
 

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