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    Quote Originally Posted by tdubzz View Post
    The canadian version works too so not sure why you think usa version is so much better. Not sure why people are stopping alphamine - unless we still don't know if this latest buzz is caused by aegeline or a contamination of some sort at the manufacturing plant.
    I feel that when you take the yohimbine out, it just takes a lot away from a thermogenic. So by having a very good form of yohimbine in the US version, IMO it makes the product more effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Goodness knows. It's a clustercluck right now. Lulz.

    I'm down to buying a tub of reformulated Enhanced though :P Never understood the point of it having aegeline to begin with, I used 1 bottle of Versa-1 and nada. Stuff did diddly squat for me. Didn't even feel the choline in Versa-1, so IMO at least for me, aegeline does nothing.
    It isn't choline but yeah Versa 1 sucked lol.
    I remember people in logs claiming that Enhanced plus Versa 1 provided a unique focus that one or the other product alone didn't seem to do.
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    I would say HEY JOSH just take out the aegeline and replace it with AMP but who knows how legit AMP is anyways.

    But Josh if you read this... You can make me a special batch
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    It isn't choline but yeah Versa 1 sucked lol.
    I remember people in logs claiming that Enhanced plus Versa 1 provided a unique focus that one or the other product alone didn't seem to do.
    After Versa-1, I no longer had trust in logs and testimonials. Lulz. Though I am tempted to try Prime the muscle pill but I'm pretty sure that would end up being bunk as well, plus I would need at least 3 bottles it would seem to run at 6/9 for 8 weeks, might actually need 4 bottles since I'm in the gym 5-6 times a week to lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    After Versa-1, I no longer had trust in logs and testimonials. Lulz. Though I am tempted to try Prime the muscle pill but I'm pretty sure that would end up being bunk as well, plus I would need at least 3 bottles it would seem to run at 6/9 for 8 weeks, might actually need 4 bottles since I'm in the gym 5-6 times a week to lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I would say HEY JOSH just take out the aegeline and replace it with AMP but who knows how legit AMP is anyways.

    But Josh if you read this... You can make me a special batch
    Surprised you didn't ask Coop or Ben to whip you up a "special" batch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I would say HEY JOSH just take out the aegeline and replace it with AMP but who knows how legit AMP is anyways.

    But Josh if you read this... You can make me a special batch
    On a vaguely related note, Patrick Arnold said he has had to cease the new Clearshot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukehayd View Post

    Surprised you didn't ask Coop or Ben to whip you up a "special" batch.
    I don't even have to ask. We're that close.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post

    On a vaguely related note, Patrick Arnold said he has had to cease the new Clearshot.
    The NEW one? Or the newest reformulation? I haven't been following closely but last I knew, the newest had been discontinued and he was reformulating again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post

    On a vaguely related note, Patrick Arnold said he has had to cease the new Clearshot.
    I saw that, ****s getting ridiculous in the supplement world.
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    Seems like higher powers are making life difficult for the supp industry right now. Idk why... We're all just chillin... Go crack down on terrorists and leave us alone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    I don't even have to ask. We're that close.



    The NEW one? Or the newest reformulation? I haven't been following closely but last I knew, the newest had been discontinued and he was reformulating again.
    The one he just released a few weeks ago.
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    That is so last week.
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    I have an old tub of UK Alphamine. The one with Tembamide.

    Is this good to go or is this being recalled also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    I have an old tub of UK Alphamine. The one with Tembamide.

    Is this good to go or is this being recalled also?
    None of PES's products are being recalled; I don't believe anyway.

    Alphamine doesn't have Aegeline? Or am I mistaken? (cant google)
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    The UK/International Alphamine used to have Tembamide in it.

    Then it got replaced by Aegeline.

    The UK/International Alphamine has been pulled from pescience.com, so I figure the FDA is coming down on all products containing Aegeline, as Enhanced is discontinued also
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdybldnaam View Post
    The UK/International Alphamine used to have Tembamide in it.

    Then it got replaced by Aegeline.

    The UK/International Alphamine has been pulled from pescience.com, so I figure the FDA is coming down on all products containing Aegeline, as Enhanced is discontinued also
    Ah, I didn't know this

    If it doesn't have aegeline you're good to go.
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    Well at least my current bottle of UK alphamine has tembamide in it.

    Didn't realise they had had switched that for aegeline more recently though. :s Very confusing situation going on here.
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    when did they switch from tembamide to aegeline (uk version of alphamine)? i bought my two tubs of alphamine almost one year ago
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    Mines got a 2015 expiry and is tembamide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jakey View Post
    Mines got a 2015 expiry and is tembamide.
    US version as far as I know contain no aegeline but do contain tembamide.
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    If there is any USP or PES rep that has any details on the discontinuation reasoning could you please PM me. If there is even a chance this is related to my current health issues I want to bring it up to my doc as something to test for
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    N-(2-hydroxy-2-p-methoxyphenylethyl) benzamide is tembamide.

    N-[2-hydroxy-2(4-methoxyphenyl) ethyl]-3-phenyl-2-propenamide is aegeline.

    AFAIK.

    I have tubs of Alphamine that contain the former and latter - both from UK. The aegeline is the newest. This also has a slightly different label.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    If there is any USP or PES rep that has any details on the discontinuation reasoning could you please PM me. If there is even a chance this is related to my current health issues I want to bring it up to my doc as something to test for
    Aegeline isn't DSHEA compliant, hence the discontinuation. If you want to see a Doc, get him to test for liver enzymes even though the two things may not be related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Aegeline isn't DSHEA compliant, hence the discontinuation. If you want to see a Doc, get him to test for liver enzymes even though the two things may not be related.
    Thank you, sorry just its been weeks of testing with no diagnosis and I'm getting paranoid over everything now.

    Have used Alphamine, and every PES product several times with no effects other than an enhanced physique.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    Thank you, sorry just its been weeks of testing with no diagnosis and I'm getting paranoid over everything now.

    Have used Alphamine, and every PES product several times with no effects other than an enhanced physique.
    although I would suggest getting those checked. Other people are as well, although I suspect you will be fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    If there is any USP or PES rep that has any details on the discontinuation reasoning could you please PM me. If there is even a chance this is related to my current health issues I want to bring it up to my doc as something to test for
    Better to check than not check. I'm probably throwing out my Versa 1 or giving it to someone via trade (Versa never did anything for me, but I do have an extra bottle from the insider deal). Enhanced never really sat well with me so I only ordered one tub.

    Hope you get to feeling better and hope it is not supplement related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Better to check than not check. I'm probably throwing out my Versa 1 or giving it to someone via trade (Versa never did anything for me, but I do have an extra bottle from the insider deal). Enhanced never really sat well with me so I only ordered one tub.

    Hope you get to feeling better and hope it is not supplement related.
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    Sadly I was using USP cissus and Versa at the same time

    And Enhanced/Alphamine

    Lol so fingers crossed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Driven2lift View Post
    Sadly I was using USP cissus and Versa at the same time And Enhanced/Alphamine Lol so fingers crossed
    Plenty of people have been using the Enhanced/Alphamine combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kbayne View Post

    Plenty of people have been using the Enhanced/Alphamine combo.
    I'm using versa and OEP powder right now
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    Why is beer not banned yet if we're worried about liver problems... Smh the supplement industry is going down hill. They discontinue craze which was my favorite then I turned to enhanced which I though was on craze"s level and now that's gone too.
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    There are so many studies that liquor causes liver damage and thousands of people have liver damage due to liquor and you don see liquor getting banned. A supplement supposedly causes liver damage to one out of a million people then it gets banned. Liquor is just an example too. There are MANY things outside the supplement industry that can cause liver damage. I mean why not just have stating on the label may cause liver damage so people know what the consequences are and it's your own risk. That way it can't get pulled. That's how things should be run in the supp industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liftallday123 View Post
    Why is beer not banned yet if we're worried about liver problems... Smh the supplement industry is going down hill. They discontinue craze which was my favorite then I turned to enhanced which I though was on craze"s level and now that's gone too.
    Quote Originally Posted by liftallday123 View Post
    There are so many studies that liquor causes liver damage and thousands of people have liver damage due to liquor and you don see liquor getting banned. A supplement supposedly causes liver damage to one out of a million people then it gets banned. Liquor is just an example too. There are MANY things outside the supplement industry that can cause liver damage. I mean why not just have stating on the label may cause liver damage so people know what the consequences are and it's your own risk. That way it can't get pulled. That's how things should be run in the supp industry.
    You're confusing issues here. OEP was recalled due to it may have led to acute hepatitis which occurred WITHOUT (at least on record) the patients having abused the product. Your points about alcohol causing liver damage is more times than not due to people ABUSING alcohol. HUGE difference. The dangers of alcohol has more to do with some of the asinine things people may end up doing whilst being intoxicated (such as drunk driving) rather than direct health issues it may cause.

    Aegeline was pulled because it's not DSHEA compliant. Simple as that.
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    Lol at being mad at not being able to get a product that may cause liver failure or at not being able to get a product that contained an unlabeled meth like compound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post

    I'm using versa and OEP powder right now
    And you're not dead?
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