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    What type of innovative product do you want to see from PES?


    We have many in the works...but want to know what you guys would want to see next.

    Each product category would be innovative and not just a formula of typical ingredients.

    Preworkout?

    Insulin mimetic/glucose disposal agent?

    Straight testosterone booster?

    HGH booster?

    Other?
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    Maybe an instantized (flavored) BCAA without artificial food coloring (dyes)? Or a preworkout from you guys would be interesting too.

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    I'd like to see an innovative post-workout product. EVERYONE has a pre-workout product. We haven't seen a whole lot of new stuff in the post-workout world. HGH booster would be interesting as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    We have many in the works...but want to know what you guys would want to see next.

    Each product category would be innovative and not just a formula of typical ingredients.

    Preworkout?

    Insulin mimetic/glucose disposal agent?

    Straight testosterone booster?

    HGH booster?

    Other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontknowaboutme View Post
    Maybe an instantized (flavored) BCAA without artificial food coloring (dyes)? Or a preworkout from you guys would be interesting too.
    Pretty sure thats called Modern BCAA haha. No plans on copying anything. Modern doesnt used instantized but instead micronized which mixes just as nice. Good product
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    Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    I'd like to see an innovative post-workout product. EVERYONE has a pre-workout product. We haven't seen a whole lot of new stuff in the post-workout world. HGH booster would be interesting as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    GDA

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    Straight test booster!
    Great ideas....keep em coming
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    Legal testosterone

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    That's a good start...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Resolve View Post
    PDE5 inhibitor?
    I already got the name picked out. W.O.D

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    Comprehensive Joint support and cortisol control in one product, dosed right.

    A GDA would be nice too

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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    AM sure loves their GDAs
    Indeed. I would throw my support in that direction or a really comprehensive (and inexpensive) pre w/o without 1,3
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    I already got the name picked out. W.O.D

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    Just can't think of much I want now that I've got AnaBeta! LOL!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Just can't think of much I want now that I've got AnaBeta! LOL!
    Good point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milas View Post
    Just can't think of much I want now that I've got AnaBeta! LOL!

    Same!!!

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    Joint support gets my vote..

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    - I like the idea of a pre workout product. The market is definitely saturated in this respect so not sure it would be viable in terms of sales but I would love to see what you would come up with in a hypothetical scenario.
    - Intra workout. It seems Omega are aiming to be the innovators in this category with straight BCAA formulas following suit for the bulk buyers out there, myself included.
    - Post workout I am not sure I see a need. It is out for debate to whether expensive carb sources work any better than the cheaper ones and making a carb/protein combination that is innovative would be interesting to see but potentially pointless in my opinion.
    - GDAs I absolutely love and use them as my primary fat loss product over stimulants most of the time. This is where I would put my favouritism towards usually but to be honest, after AnaBeta I am not sure there is any need. I was tempted to buy one recently and then realised that I would be running it alongside and couldn't think of anything that matched up or made it worthwhile when AnaBeta does the job so well (and unintentionally) on it's own. On the other hand it would be something that could be used in between breaks of AnaBeta so would be a viable alternative, I am not sure how possible it would be to make one as good.
    - GH booster I have used a few and never tried one that made any difference in terms of anything other than sleep quality. I am not saying they don't and am not saying there are no good ones out there but there are many with blood work which looks amazing on paper yet the results from them are uninspiring.
    - Test boosters will always have a market but there are so many out there it is the type of product people try once and then move onto the next one. AnaBeta is unique and therefore once I finished it I genuinely had no desire to buy anything else because it was so far ahead of anything else I ever tried. Everything else anabolic seemed like a waste of money.
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    I would also like to see how you would put together a PreWO (I am a 1,3 dim fan, so no prob there for me)...as well as an Intra/BCAA product...and a postWO supp...GO!
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    Preworkout?
    It is so many choices on the market and really don't see how much innovative it can be...

    Insulin mimetic/glucose disposal agent?
    I still prefer this as a top choice. I know Anabeta is doing this, with a lot of other things. But a "straight" one will be good to see. (c3G )

    Straight testosterone booster?
    Anabeta si partially there.
    Erase is partially there.
    A straight powerfull androgenic booster?
    means anabeta (anabolic) + anti-estrogen and anti cortisol + more test (androgenic) ?? hum, are you gonna do Tren LOL

    HGH booster?

    Would be interesting too to see one here, that can act similar to GHRP.

    I think the front is already covered sadly by you...

    Erase - potent anti-E + anti-cortisol+ test booster
    Anabeta - power anabolic + GDA effects (the anabolic term will already include a higher capacity to store glycogen)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sik View Post
    Preworkout?
    Straight testosterone booster?
    Anabeta si partially there.
    Erase is partially there.
    A straight powerfull androgenic booster?
    means anabeta (anabolic) + anti-estrogen and anti cortisol + more test (androgenic) ?? hum, are you gonna do Tren LOL
    thats why i think anabeta would be awsome stacked with natadrol...

    I might make it my summer cut.


    To answer the original question,
    I think an innovative joint formula would be great to keep my joints feeling nice 24/7.

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    protein powder, and a joint supplement(mandatory when using erase)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sik View Post
    Preworkout?
    It is so many choices on the market and really don't see how much innovative it can be...

    Insulin mimetic/glucose disposal agent?
    I still prefer this as a top choice. I know Anabeta is doing this, with a lot of other things. But a "straight" one will be good to see. (c3G )

    Straight testosterone booster?
    Anabeta si partially there.
    Erase is partially there.
    A straight powerfull androgenic booster?
    means anabeta (anabolic) + anti-estrogen and anti cortisol + more test (androgenic) ?? hum, are you gonna do Tren LOL

    HGH booster?

    Would be interesting too to see one here, that can act similar to GHRP.

    I think the front is already covered sadly by you...

    Erase - potent anti-E + anti-cortisol+ test booster
    Anabeta - power anabolic + GDA effects (the anabolic term will already include a higher capacity to store glycogen)
    Great points...way to lay it out
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    I'm probably going to want whatever you come up with so hurry up and pick something so I can buy it

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    1. Something for Joints(must contain Cissus)
    2. HGH product
    3. pre-workout

    ^ I know PES would have non prop blends so all these products would be awesome
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    For me .

    Test booster
    Gh booster

    These to go along w/ anabeta & erase of course.

    Us older people don't like to grow old. It gets depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkd0c View Post
    Comprehensive Joint support and cortisol control in one product, dosed right.
    I would like to see this too.

    ...or maybe you can find herbal Clen? haha

    Mila's idea of

    Legal test and HGH would be nice too
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    I would like to see this too.

    ...or maybe you can find herbal Clen? haha

    Mila's idea of

    Legal test and HGH would be nice too
    Yea I am liking this lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sik View Post
    Would be interesting too to see one here, that can act similar to GHRP.
    This... if its possible.
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    On second thought by you asking us, it makes me think you don't have anything too special to bring to the table otherwise you would've just released it on your own.... Oh yeah, that's a challenge
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    On second thought by you asking us, it makes me think you don't have anything too special to bring to the table otherwise you would've just released it on your own.... Oh yeah, that's a challenge
    Whatever helps you sleep at night!

    You don't have to worry, Natty is always taking random crap to gain effectiveness and move to the next phase. Problem is... there is alot of CRAP out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Whatever helps you sleep at night!

    You don't have to worry, Natty is always taking random crap to gain effectiveness and move to the next phase. Problem is... there is alot of CRAP out there!
    just bustin' chops

    I have yet to try Anabeta but I liked At-2 so I'm sincerely curious to see what you guys have up your sleeves.


    Do you think a natty HGH supp could ever compare to GHRP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by monstermash View Post
    just bustin' chops

    I have yet to try Anabeta but I liked At-2 so I'm sincerely curious to see what you guys have up your sleeves.


    Do you think a natty HGH supp could ever compare to GHRP?
    Oh I know.. I was just bustin back.

    The short answer is probably not. Since not only is GHRP a sythesized peptide to directly stimulate GH release via the ghrelin pathway, but it also an injectable by passing degradation via the digestive tract. I know GHRP-2 is supposedly able to be taken orally, but I personally haven't heard too many testimonials that it has been favorable.

    Does mother earth have anything that is powerful? Most definitely, just not sure she offers anything that directly stimulates GH like GHRP does.
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    ..or maybe you can find herbal Clen? haha
    have a read on Curcumin , which is an extract from tumeric.

    Its interesting.
    http://www.ergo-log.com/curcumin.html

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    aybee if its extracted right that could work.

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    I posted something like this on facebook, but a few more thoughts. Feels like a bit of a weird mix of 'what innovation do you want? But fit it into this set of molds that exist'.

    Anyways, I guess right now your product line is quite well setup for cutting, would love something that could be stacked with anabeta more focused towards muscle growth. I know you mentioned about not being as useful to stack a test booster with it, so curious on your perspective on this, rather then just asking for a test booster.

    In terms of a pre workout, would love to see something come out in terms of stims that are actually in nature and thus, not on the marked for death list. Maybe mixed with something that counteracts addrenal fatigue like Schizandrol A in Jack3d, thus healthier longterm. Maybe something like Sustamine for hydration instead of the same old electolytes. Hell, I'd love to see a creatine free pre, seems everyone put it in just cause they can.

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    Thanks for the suggestions so far everyone, it is greatly appreciated.

    I know Natty has a lot up his sleeve already. He appears to be constantly testing like some kind of nutty professor. We like to know what people want so we can satisfy your requirements and dedicate more time there. This is not a "we need to find a test booster quickly because some people have asked us" type scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    have a read on Curcumin , which is an extract from tumeric.

    Its interesting.
    http://www.ergo-log.com/curcumin.html

    M
    aybee if its extracted right that could work.
    Nice! Thanks for bringing that up.

    Maybe if a proper extract is obtainable you can add it to some well dosed Fucoxanthin and a cort control supp of your choosing and/or a GDA for a completely stim-free burner of sorts. IDK just brainstorming
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    Quote Originally Posted by Docmattic View Post
    have a read on Curcumin , which is an extract from tumeric.
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    aybee if its extracted right that could work.
    Doesn't tumeric/curcumin help lower inflammation? I have taken both along with my usual joint supps(msm, cissus, high dosed fish oil) and noticed a difference in pain relief. I could be mistaken, but this is what an informed colleague of mine suggested i use to ease my tendinitis.

    WE NEED AN END ALL, BE ALL JOINT SUPPLEMENT! And PES is definitely the company I think that can bring it to us.

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    Cissus with PA's joint force was a crazy good combo for me

    As far as curcumin goes, the data looks good but for some reason it does not seem to translate to the real world in the slight testing we have done with it at the doses we went up to. We could possibly look into other extractions from the material though. Have not spent much time with it as we have something on the back burner we are currently making headway on
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