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    Quote Originally Posted by huggy77 View Post
    Love your products. I had a quick question on an "empty stomach".

    I so slow paced cardio in the morning with your At2 and erase pro.

    Would a scoop of whey protein (120 cals) ruin the "empty stomach effect"?

    Would a scoop of just amino powder ruin it?
    Depends on how long before or after dosing you would have the whey protein (30-45 min and you'll be ok), but I wouldn't imagine it would affect it too much. You can always see and determine for yourself if there is a difference.

    Aminos certainly won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huggy77 View Post
    Love your products. I had a quick question on an "empty stomach".

    I so slow paced cardio in the morning with your At2 and erase pro.

    Would a scoop of whey protein (120 cals) ruin the "empty stomach effect"?

    Would a scoop of just amino powder ruin it?
    Protein is fine. The main goal is to avoid carbs with dosing and 30-45 minutes after
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster

    I was not aware that Forged Burner had tyrosine in it. I would not recommend stacking anything with Tyrosine with Alpha-T2.

    Alpha-T2/OEP/Erase will be all you need
    what in at2 reacts adversely with tyrosine? Tyrosine is a staple of mine as part of a natural anti depressant stack (tyrosine+5htp+Sam e) I wasn't aware of anything That should be avoided! :/
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    What if you already have low estrogen regarding the Erase? Had some blood work done and I am on the lower end of the normal range as it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    what in at2 reacts adversely with tyrosine? Tyrosine is a staple of mine as part of a natural anti depressant stack (tyrosine+5htp+Sam e) I wasn't aware of anything That should be avoided! :/
    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by tjwoody View Post
    What if you already have low estrogen regarding the Erase? Had some blood work done and I am on the lower end of the normal range as it is...
    It would probably put you below normal...i would go just 1-2 caps
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster

    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y
    Thats interesting bc I have taken and am currently taking OEP with added l tyrosine 500mg twice daily. At the same time bc I dose them both on empty stomach obv. I never notice any ill effects. Although I'm not sure what to look out for with cheesing.. I googled it but I dnt remember Ar the moment lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y



    It would probably put you below normal...i would go just 1-2 caps
    Been doing 1. I had to give blood this week and should see results soon including estrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Thats interesting bc I have taken and am currently taking OEP with added l tyrosine 500mg twice daily. At the same time bc I dose them both on empty stomach obv. I never notice any ill effects. Although I'm not sure what to look out for with cheesing.. I googled it but I dnt remember Ar the moment lol.
    Its not the "cheesing" like what was on south park. They call it that because cheese is high in tyramine, and taken with yohimbine or any MAOI can cause a rise in blood pressure for some. Just be careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

    Its not the "cheesing" like what was on south park. They call it that because cheese is high in tyramine, and taken with yohimbine or any MAOI can cause a rise in blood pressure for some. Just be careful.
    Got it yea I read up on it.. Bp has always been perfect. It's my resting heart rate of low50 high 40 that worries all the dr's lol. All that cardio
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Its not the "cheesing" like what was on south park. They call it that because cheese is high in tyramine, and taken with yohimbine or any MAOI can cause a rise in blood pressure for some. Just be careful.
    lol...south park
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    stacking some AT2 with some lean extreme right now. only doing 2 at2 a day. man dosing 1 at2 with my preWO brings on the MAD sweats!! my eyes I cant see!!!!

    im interested in cortisol control and almost out of lean extreme.

    anything in the PES line like LE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjwoody View Post
    stacking some AT2 with some lean extreme right now. only doing 2 at2 a day. man dosing 1 at2 with my preWO brings on the MAD sweats!! my eyes I cant see!!!!

    im interested in cortisol control and almost out of lean extreme.

    anything in the PES line like LE?
    Nothing in the PES line like Lean Xtreme no - not in the sense that it ONLY controls cortisol. However, Erase DOES control cortisol - it is also a natural Testosterone booster with AI properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee View Post
    Nothing in the PES line like Lean Xtreme no - not in the sense that it ONLY controls cortisol. However, Erase DOES control cortisol - it is also a natural Testosterone booster with AI properties.

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    I will go back to dosing 1-2 of erase per day when this other stuff is done.

    My estro is 18.x in a range of 3-70 so dont wanna kill it much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster

    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y

    It would probably put you below normal...i would go just 1-2 caps
    What do you mean by cheeseing effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    What do you mean by cheeseing effect?
    Nevermind, just saw your post above
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    Hope this is the right place to ask for this advice. I'm coming off of PCT in 2 weeks, and wanted to do heavy shredding cycle, while trying to aim toward recomping a bit if possible. Diet is already set. Really high protein while carb cycling.

    I'll definitely be using Alpha-T2, since I have wonderful experiences with it. Was curious to stack it with Axon from AntaeusLabs and Methyl-Sypherine from Synthetic Supps. Would this be an advicable stack? if so, at what dose of each?

    I also have IGF-2, Lipotrophin-PM, Ripped juice and Anabeta elite on hand. Maybe I could use one or two of those with the cycle as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast20 View Post
    Hope this is the right place to ask for this advice. I'm coming off of PCT in 2 weeks, and wanted to do heavy shredding cycle, while trying to aim toward recomping a bit if possible. Diet is already set. Really high protein while carb cycling.

    I'll definitely be using Alpha-T2, since I have wonderful experiences with it. Was curious to stack it with Axon from AntaeusLabs and Methyl-Sypherine from Synthetic Supps. Would this be an advicable stack? if so, at what dose of each?

    I also have IGF-2, Lipotrophin-PM, Ripped juice and Anabeta elite on hand. Maybe I could use one or two of those with the cycle as well?

    If I could get any suggestions and advice would be much appreciated!
    I'm not too familiar with Axon, however AT2 + methyl synephrine would make for a great super shredding stack.

    Id probably run IGF-2 with Anabeta elite during the run too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I'm not too familiar with Axon, however AT2 + methyl synephrine would make for a great super shredding stack.

    Id probably run IGF-2 with Anabeta elite during the run too.
    Thanks Kev, would it be a good idea to stack in another fatburner as well, like Shred Matrix of MP or Rippedjuice from betancourt?
    Or keep it just AT2+Methyl Synephrine+Anabeta Elite and IFG-2? And what would be a good dosing for the stack?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc
    Since we had a customer submit BodPod results on Erase Pro showing he not only maintained LBM but increased it whilst on a caloric deficit it has become the most important supplement for me alongside any fat burning routine.
    I used pro for a week at thR start of my cut.. You KNOW I love and support pes, but I honestly. Noticed NO differences during that week. With regular erase, I see results after 2 days.. Thoughts? Personally, I feel the spread out dosages of regular give me better round the clock estrogen control... I want pro to work for me, but idk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I used pro for a week at thR start of my cut.. You KNOW I love and support pes, but I honestly. Noticed NO differences during that week. With regular erase, I see results after 2 days.. Thoughts? Personally, I feel the spread out dosages of regular give me better round the clock estrogen control... I want pro to work for me, but idk!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37

    So you only used it for a week?
    I know I know. Bc like I said- regular erase works for me in 2 days.. So after a week, I got skeptical (for lack of a better word)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I know I know. Bc like I said- regular erase works for me in 2 days.. So after a week, I got skeptical (for lack of a better word)
    Did you stop and not finish the bottle? I'm glad you react so well to the regular, but Pro should not be seen as the same product. I'd try it again and finish the bottle even if that only gets you 3 weeks, as by then you will know if it is working for you or not. Not many legal things work in the first week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37

    Did you stop and not finish the bottle? I'm glad you react so well to the regular, but Pro should not be seen as the same product. I'd try it again and finish the bottle even if that only gets you 3 weeks, as by then you will know if it is working for you or not. Not many legal things work in the first week
    I gave away ten caps in a trade lol but I have 14 caps left and plan on using it to finish out my 8 weeks bc I will be out of regular.. Will see how it goes for those 2 weeks , and by then, I will have the main AI "built up" in my system
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    Have a new log in my sig now
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster
    Cutquest...i like it
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    You know me and my fancy linguistics.. Gotta put that degree to use somehow..
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

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    Yes, linguistics.. ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Yes, linguistics.. ?

    ..I'm confused
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

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    Gonna be using erase + ABE. I like to start my runs on the first of a month so bottles coincide with 30 days, etc.. My question is- the month I plan to start this stack, also begins with a layoff week after 9 consecutive training weeks. So my question is- is it pointless to start the ABE on the off week since I won't be lifting? Should I wait until I resume working out? I know Anabeta has great effects for nutrient utilization, but am unsure if taking the added ingredients in elite would be overkill while not being active/in a recovery week..
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Gonna be using erase + ABE. I like to start my runs on the first of a month so bottles coincide with 30 days, etc.. My question is- the month I plan to start this stack, also begins with a layoff week after 9 consecutive training weeks. So my question is- is it pointless to start the ABE on the off week since I won't be lifting? Should I wait until I resume working out? I know Anabeta has great effects for nutrient utilization, but am unsure if taking the added ingredients in elite would be overkill while not being active/in a recovery week..
    Nothing wrong with starting even if it is an off week re training - after all, your body is going to use that week off to recover so that you can have better progress and results when you start back. In the end though, you will do what you want, an the choice is yours.

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    Since the ingredients in some of these products have changed since the stack summaries were made, are the stacks still optimal? For example, does Alpha-T2 still stack as well with OEP? Or would something like Detonate be better with Alpha-2 or just as good? Oh, and also perhaps noteworthy is that NP doesn't seem to carry the stacks anymore so it's hard to tell which version of various products to look for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorNorton View Post
    Since the ingredients in some of these products have changed since the stack summaries were made, are the stacks still optimal? For example, does Alpha-T2 still stack as well with OEP? Or would something like Detonate be better with Alpha-2 or just as good? Oh, and also perhaps noteworthy is that NP doesn't seem to carry the stacks anymore so it's hard to tell which version of various products to look for.
    The new Alpha-T2 can replace the old version if you wanted to stack with OEP.

    Which version of OEP do you plan to use?
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    The new Alpha-T2 can replace the old version if you wanted to stack with OEP. Which version of OEP do you plan to use?
    I don't know, which would be best for use with the new Alpha-T2? Do all version of Alpha-T2 stack equally as well with Erase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmperorNorton View Post
    I don't know, which would be best for use with the new Alpha-T2? Do all version of Alpha-T2 stack equally as well with Erase?
    I haven't used the new OEP so cannot give personal testament but judging from the label either of them should be fine to stack with the new AT2.
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    either oep will stack well with at2
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