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    The product manual .pdf can be found here
    http://pesupplements.com/Performance.../PESManual.pdf

    Cliff notes:
    - Erase is an aromatase inhibitor that raises testosterone through this pathway and acts to mitigate catabolism while taking these (prevent unwanted muscle loss).
    - Alpha-T2 contains an ingredient to increase thyroid output without being suppressive to natural levels while containing very low amounts of stimulants. This is the stronger of the fat loss products.
    - Shift contains the same ingredient as AT2 (3,3'-diido-l-thyronine) but can be taken in the evening as it contains no CNS stimulants at all.

    Conventional dosing for the stack:
    - Upon waking before breakfast: 2 caps Alpha-T2 + 1 cap Erase
    - 6-8 hours later: 1 cap Alpha-T2 + 1 cap Erase + 1 cap Shift
    - <1 hour pre bed: 1 cap Erase + 2 caps Shift.

    I hope that answers your question. If not just ask away.
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    Thanks for the solid information.

    After a few weeks i recieved my stack . Thinking about to logging these with pictures!

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    So a Shift, Erase, Titanium stack would be:

    2-3 Erase a day, spread out, with or without food.

    1-2 Shift at Breakfast, 1 more 6-8 hours later with or without food.

    1 Titanium with breakfast, 1 in evening with food.

    Is that right?
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    I'm LOVING PES!!!!!

    My first try with PES was a stack of Shift and Dexaprine. I dropped 10 lbs in a month.

    The second try was Shift, Erase, Titanium, and DAA. I added 10 lbs...of muscle!!! I'm much fuller and tighter.

    I am in a break atm, but the next stack will be Alpha-T2, Erase, and Dexaprine. The goal is to maintain the gains and lose more bodyfat...it seems the closer I get to 40 years old the harder it is to have abs.
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    I'm trying to design my next stack for later this month or early next. In need to lay off Erase and Alpha T2 for a while. This is what I am thinking.

    Anabeta
    Pslin or Yellow Gold
    DAA
    NOW Super Enzymes

    The goal is to get the most out of my foods and macronutients, keep (or gain) lean mass while minimizing fat gain and allowing the body to recover from PH's.

    How's that sound?
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    I haven't tried PSlin so take this with a pinch of salt but I think there would be serious overlap with AnaBeta.

    AnaBeta is not a glucose disposal product but does a very good job of it and has stronger effects than other products I have tried in this category.
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    I don't mind scratching something off the list...saves me money!!! lol
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    Love your products. I had a quick question on an "empty stomach".

    I so slow paced cardio in the morning with your At2 and erase pro.

    Would a scoop of whey protein (120 cals) ruin the "empty stomach effect"?

    Would a scoop of just amino powder ruin it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huggy77 View Post
    Love your products. I had a quick question on an "empty stomach".

    I so slow paced cardio in the morning with your At2 and erase pro.

    Would a scoop of whey protein (120 cals) ruin the "empty stomach effect"?

    Would a scoop of just amino powder ruin it?
    Depends on how long before or after dosing you would have the whey protein (30-45 min and you'll be ok), but I wouldn't imagine it would affect it too much. You can always see and determine for yourself if there is a difference.

    Aminos certainly won't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huggy77 View Post
    Love your products. I had a quick question on an "empty stomach".

    I so slow paced cardio in the morning with your At2 and erase pro.

    Would a scoop of whey protein (120 cals) ruin the "empty stomach effect"?

    Would a scoop of just amino powder ruin it?
    Protein is fine. The main goal is to avoid carbs with dosing and 30-45 minutes after
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    Ty for the answers.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster

    I was not aware that Forged Burner had tyrosine in it. I would not recommend stacking anything with Tyrosine with Alpha-T2.

    Alpha-T2/OEP/Erase will be all you need
    what in at2 reacts adversely with tyrosine? Tyrosine is a staple of mine as part of a natural anti depressant stack (tyrosine+5htp+Sam e) I wasn't aware of anything That should be avoided! :/
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    What if you already have low estrogen regarding the Erase? Had some blood work done and I am on the lower end of the normal range as it is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    what in at2 reacts adversely with tyrosine? Tyrosine is a staple of mine as part of a natural anti depressant stack (tyrosine+5htp+Sam e) I wasn't aware of anything That should be avoided! :/
    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y

    Quote Originally Posted by tjwoody View Post
    What if you already have low estrogen regarding the Erase? Had some blood work done and I am on the lower end of the normal range as it is...
    It would probably put you below normal...i would go just 1-2 caps
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster

    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y
    Thats interesting bc I have taken and am currently taking OEP with added l tyrosine 500mg twice daily. At the same time bc I dose them both on empty stomach obv. I never notice any ill effects. Although I'm not sure what to look out for with cheesing.. I googled it but I dnt remember Ar the moment lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y



    It would probably put you below normal...i would go just 1-2 caps
    Been doing 1. I had to give blood this week and should see results soon including estrogen.

    thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Thats interesting bc I have taken and am currently taking OEP with added l tyrosine 500mg twice daily. At the same time bc I dose them both on empty stomach obv. I never notice any ill effects. Although I'm not sure what to look out for with cheesing.. I googled it but I dnt remember Ar the moment lol.
    Its not the "cheesing" like what was on south park. They call it that because cheese is high in tyramine, and taken with yohimbine or any MAOI can cause a rise in blood pressure for some. Just be careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy

    Its not the "cheesing" like what was on south park. They call it that because cheese is high in tyramine, and taken with yohimbine or any MAOI can cause a rise in blood pressure for some. Just be careful.
    Got it yea I read up on it.. Bp has always been perfect. It's my resting heart rate of low50 high 40 that worries all the dr's lol. All that cardio
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    Its not the "cheesing" like what was on south park. They call it that because cheese is high in tyramine, and taken with yohimbine or any MAOI can cause a rise in blood pressure for some. Just be careful.
    lol...south park
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    stacking some AT2 with some lean extreme right now. only doing 2 at2 a day. man dosing 1 at2 with my preWO brings on the MAD sweats!! my eyes I cant see!!!!

    im interested in cortisol control and almost out of lean extreme.

    anything in the PES line like LE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tjwoody View Post
    stacking some AT2 with some lean extreme right now. only doing 2 at2 a day. man dosing 1 at2 with my preWO brings on the MAD sweats!! my eyes I cant see!!!!

    im interested in cortisol control and almost out of lean extreme.

    anything in the PES line like LE?
    Nothing in the PES line like Lean Xtreme no - not in the sense that it ONLY controls cortisol. However, Erase DOES control cortisol - it is also a natural Testosterone booster with AI properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee View Post
    Nothing in the PES line like Lean Xtreme no - not in the sense that it ONLY controls cortisol. However, Erase DOES control cortisol - it is also a natural Testosterone booster with AI properties.

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    I will go back to dosing 1-2 of erase per day when this other stuff is done.

    My estro is 18.x in a range of 3-70 so dont wanna kill it much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster

    Any MAOI like yohimbine or rauwolscine should aboid tyrosines and tyramines...can cause the cheeseing effect...although very rare with alpha-Y

    It would probably put you below normal...i would go just 1-2 caps
    What do you mean by cheeseing effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    What do you mean by cheeseing effect?
    Nevermind, just saw your post above
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    Hope this is the right place to ask for this advice. I'm coming off of PCT in 2 weeks, and wanted to do heavy shredding cycle, while trying to aim toward recomping a bit if possible. Diet is already set. Really high protein while carb cycling.

    I'll definitely be using Alpha-T2, since I have wonderful experiences with it. Was curious to stack it with Axon from AntaeusLabs and Methyl-Sypherine from Synthetic Supps. Would this be an advicable stack? if so, at what dose of each?

    I also have IGF-2, Lipotrophin-PM, Ripped juice and Anabeta elite on hand. Maybe I could use one or two of those with the cycle as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beast20 View Post
    Hope this is the right place to ask for this advice. I'm coming off of PCT in 2 weeks, and wanted to do heavy shredding cycle, while trying to aim toward recomping a bit if possible. Diet is already set. Really high protein while carb cycling.

    I'll definitely be using Alpha-T2, since I have wonderful experiences with it. Was curious to stack it with Axon from AntaeusLabs and Methyl-Sypherine from Synthetic Supps. Would this be an advicable stack? if so, at what dose of each?

    I also have IGF-2, Lipotrophin-PM, Ripped juice and Anabeta elite on hand. Maybe I could use one or two of those with the cycle as well?

    If I could get any suggestions and advice would be much appreciated!
    I'm not too familiar with Axon, however AT2 + methyl synephrine would make for a great super shredding stack.

    Id probably run IGF-2 with Anabeta elite during the run too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinhy View Post
    I'm not too familiar with Axon, however AT2 + methyl synephrine would make for a great super shredding stack.

    Id probably run IGF-2 with Anabeta elite during the run too.
    Thanks Kev, would it be a good idea to stack in another fatburner as well, like Shred Matrix of MP or Rippedjuice from betancourt?
    Or keep it just AT2+Methyl Synephrine+Anabeta Elite and IFG-2? And what would be a good dosing for the stack?
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