Erase and females
- 10-28-2010, 03:39 PM
- 10-28-2010, 11:43 PM
- 10-29-2010, 08:52 AM
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10-29-2010, 01:07 PM
This is idiotic. Women worried about softness from estrogen should just get off the pill. Almost all women are woefully undertrained, and most aren't looking at gain significant amounts of muscle above the baseline female athlete physique. Furthermore, women aren't going to produce high levels of testosterone to build muscle. Honestly, Rosie, I cringe every time you post something related to testosterone boosting.
Put her on EC and alpha T2, with a competent diet (adequate protein, less carbs) and 5x5 style training.
Cortisol control supps (Lean Xtreme, I like, I think forskolin is more effective in women.) can be very effective as well.
Paging Dr. Banner. . .
10-29-2010, 01:50 PM
Breaking the Myth articles). Next time, make sure you read what people ACTUALLY write. And if you're going to make personal attacks, at least back up your statements and comments with something SOLID.
10-29-2010, 02:04 PM
You know what? I was out of line. My apologies. Women's mainstream fitness is just so broken that I can get riled up at the drop of a pin.
Paging Dr. Banner. . .
11-11-2010, 07:29 PM
why doesn't she take a different form of birth control (IUD,Condoms) the pill has been shown to lower womens natural test levels by 40%. Have her stop the pill for 2 months and use another method of birth control and reassess from there.
11-11-2010, 07:37 PM
11-12-2010, 06:36 AM
. . . And yeah, I started using Erase on Tuesday for those interested in the female experience with the product: The REVOLUTION of the Female Terminator CONTINUES with ERASE
11-12-2010, 02:44 PM
just by stopping the pill should tighten her up abit in the midsection
11-17-2010, 02:22 AM
Using BC plus an AI (whether it's OTC or not) will more than likely interact somewhere down the line, probably sooner than later. The fact that both these type of compounds decrease estrogen shows that it will certainly suppress estrogen too much. I would not advise a woman to use an AI while on BC, unless she's cleared by her physician of all possible side-effects. If you don't want to make an appointment with your doctor to talk about it, just ask a pharmacist at your local pharmacy real quick to get a better insight.
With that said, women honestly do not need to use AIs or estrogen controllers to lean out or lose weight. High reps, low weight, lots of cardio and just clean eating will lean and tighten a woman's body up in no time.
11-17-2010, 10:31 AM
11-17-2010, 12:43 PM
I'm pretty sure he means 8-10 reps, not "pink dumbbells"
Paging Dr. Banner. . .
12-07-2010, 05:28 AM
Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott
I also wouldn't go as far as to say that cardio is NOT necessary for fat loss, considering it's basically the opposite for a lot of people. Sure, strength training increases cardiovascular activity but utilizing ONLY that as a part of a fat loss routine is not going to work, at least not for everyone. Only the few that are genetically gifted can get away with just lifting weights to stay lean. It almost necessary to incorporate moderate-high intensity cardio to enhance and even maintain a lean physique.
01-28-2011, 01:06 PM
Thread resurrection alert. I have already bought my bottle of ERASE so this is purely for informational purposes.
I am curious for a couple of reasons here. First, here is the current ERASE product page.
Here is one of the introductory ERASE posts from PESs nattydisaster last summer.
The current info does not say "ERASE YOUR ESTROGEN". Not sure this matters to anyone. I just happened to notice the discrepency and wondered if it was an accidental omission or if the statement was intentionally edited.
My real questions are:
1: By what method does ERASE lower estrogen? Is it ONLY by an AI mechanism meaning it inhibits testosterone aromitazation?
2: Is there additional estrogen reduction in addition to the AI activity?
3: Would this differ in a female using ERASE?
I too am wondering about the birth control question. My wife uses it primarily for regulation of her periods, notpregnancy prevention. So, I'm wondering if anyone has discovered just what ERASE might do in conjunction with BC.
"IF" ERASE is only reducing overall estrogen via an AI action, it would not effect the estrogen + progesterone being directly delivered by the NuvaRing. Therefore, it "seems" like it would simply lower overall estrogen levels via the AI activity.
DISCLAIMER: I don't expect anyone here to go out on a limb here and offer what might seem like family planning or medical advice. But, she's VERY interested in trying the T2+Erase stack so we're just curious. Don't worry, I won't come after any of you for child support
01-28-2011, 01:53 PM
2. See information above.Regulating Estrogen and Increasing Testosterone via Suicide Aromatase Inhibition: The Role of 3, 7-Keto DHEA:
* 3, 7-Keto DHEA is a naturally-occurring metabolite of dehydroepiandosterone (DHEA), and is a potent aromatase inhibitor with some very unique qualities. Aromatase is an enzyme that transforms testosterone into estrogen, and the more active aromatase is, the more estrogen will ultimately be present. Therefore, aromatase inhibitors significantly decrease the level of estrogen in the body. This is important as increased estrogen in men can signal the hypothalamic pituitary testicular axis (HPTA) to shut down the release of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH). GnRH signals the production of luteinizing hormone (LH), which signals the production of testosterone. Therefore, increased estrogen levels can lower endogenous testosterone production (21,29,31).
* 3, 7-Keto DHEA has demonstrated strong ability to lower estrogen, thus mitigating this effect. It has a high binding affinity (Ki value = 0.22 mM) to the aromatase enzyme, and binds in an irreversible manner, making it a suicide inhibitor of aromatase. Ki Values measure how efficiently a compound binds to its associated receptor. The lower the Ki value; the higher the binding affinity. This inhibition allows for the production of less estradiol (E2) and estrone (E1) and allows the user of the compound to maintain a higher level of testosterone; hence improving the Testosterone: Estrogen (T:E) ratio. The mechanism through which aromatase inhibitors raise testosterone is fairly simple; the HPTA senses low levels of estrogen, and because the body seeks to maintain homeostasis (it likes to maintain at least some estrogen, even in men), there is a concurrent increase in the amount of testosterone that is being produced, as a way to compensate for the low estrogen levels. The increased testosterone levels normally will result in increased estrogen since there is no estrogen being produced. Essentially, the brain is tricked into trying to produce more estrogen, so it releases more luteinizing hormone releasing hormone (LHRH) and subsequently more LH, leading to even higher testosterone levels (20,21-23).
* All aromatase inhibitors share this characteristic of positively altering the T:E ratio, and all will raise serum testosterone levels in men, which has been referenced in numerous studies. 3,7-Keto DHEA is comparable in potency to several other commonly available aromatase inhibitors. As explained above, a lower Ki value means higher potency, making it more potent than both Formestane and Exemestane, and very similar to androstentrione (ATD) (31,55).
* 3,7-Keto DHEA is unique from other commonly used aromatase inhibitors in sports supplements in that it is a natural metabolite of 7-Keto DHEA and it cannot directly bind to the androgen receptor. 3,7-Keto DHEA (like 7-Keto DHEA) also cannot convert to testosterone, estrogen, or progesterone via any type of enzymatic reaction, so by strict definition it cannot in any way be considered a prohormone. This clearly differentiates it from other recently banned products that allow for the direct conversion to a controlled substance in the body (in either in trace amounts or full-scale conversion). This can not occur with 3,7-Keto DHEA, as it is formed naturally in humans from 7-Keto DHEA and can be readily found in humans in the amount of 5-7 ug/day (23-24).
3. A female using Erase should get the effects through the same mechanisms and pathways. However, since LH has a different mechanism in males and females, I cannot say this for sure, so someone more knowledgeable may say something about this.
I don't use BC, so I cannot comment on using it with Erase.
01-28-2011, 02:27 PM
Man Rosie does so much to despell the myth of women in fitness, I have been watching cuz it's so true to my own beliefs. I train my girls just the way I would a man and the results are astounding, they don't get bulky just better shape. That's why I like to call it body shaping instead of building when I talk to women. Anywho, the girls are avid believers, I love training women!! They listen to what you say and they're fun to look at...
Yah Monica will probably try erase based on Rosie's experience..
Ontheroadto, good form in owning up man... looks good on you, and Rosie is one woman I would not like to argue with... hehe...
Mind and Muscle Board Representative I am not a physician and any advice is solely based on personal experience with various products
01-28-2011, 03:05 PM
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01-28-2011, 03:37 PM
Quite a few of these types of people, at some point in their life, have seen a female body builder and assumed that she got that way simply by lifting a few weights and eating raw meat. How many times have you heard both males and females making statements about not wanting to get too big?
01-28-2011, 03:39 PM
01-28-2011, 04:02 PM
I have a quesiton.
Being the majority of the circulating estrogen in pre-menopausal women is created in their ovaries, what is the point of an aromatase inhibitor? The reason it works in men is because the majority fo the estrogen we have circulating is actually created through the conversion of testosterone to estrogen via aromatase. Thus stopping this conversion drastically lowers our estrogen. Aromatization doesn't not account for the majority of circulating estrogen in pre-menopausal women.
I don't get what the point is for women. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
01-28-2011, 04:15 PM
I'll requalify my statement. In MY experience, more than 50% of people that I have personally heard speak on the subject are in no way educated on what it truly takes to give a female the type of masculine traits seen in female body builders. These are the same people that Rosie and DreamWeaver were addressing when they spoke of myths above. These people are ignorant to the advantages of and methods to resistance training for females.
01-28-2011, 04:32 PM
There are many reasons why a female might want to use a product with AI properties - I know that personally notice the difference when I am using a product with AI properties. It makes me drier for one - also note that one of the primary reasons I love Erase is not necessarily for its AI properties, but because it is the best product I have ever used re joints.
01-29-2011, 07:10 AM
01-29-2011, 09:05 AM
01-29-2011, 04:41 PM
My understanding: By inhibiting the actions of the aromatase enzyme in males this effectively cuts off the majority the supply estrogen produced in their bodies since the majority (@ 80%) of estrogen is created via aromatization of androgens to estrogens. The reason this causes testosterone increases in men is because the body up regulates testosterone production in order to increase circulating estrogen. Men notice a drying effect because of the reduction in estrogen.
Where my confusion lies: In women, this process does not account for the majority of circulating estrogen, so inhibiting this process has minimal effect on circulating estrogens. There is also no feedback loop created increasing testosterone output.
Are you suggesting that despite this main difference in hormonal pathways the amount of testosterone NOT being converted to estrogen is still noticeable enough for you to recommend to other women?
01-29-2011, 07:18 PM
As I said, from personal experience I DO notice the difference and I DO dry out and hold less water when using a product with AI properties - you can dispute this all you like, but I know my body and how it responds, and your opinion will not change that fact.
Josh or someone else might like to step in here and say something, since you guys don't seem to like hearing this from a female.
Note also that an AI or something that contains AI properties is not something that I would recommend to a female - UNLESS she were a very experienced trainee, her nutrition and training were on target for her goals, she knew what she was doing, and knew about the ins and outs, risks and benefits, etc., that can occur with such use.
01-30-2011, 01:02 PM
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