Help me get rid of my sleeping problems!
- 06-25-2010, 05:50 AM
Help me get rid of my sleeping problems!
As I sit here at almost 6AM i'm finally tired of having issues sleeping. I've always been one to stay up late (2-3AM) and it didn't bother me not getting a ton of sleep, but with a change in my lifestyle I need to now be up earlier and more alert.
I used to take script sleeping aids, seemed to help but it's been awhile I want to try something new before I go back to the doctor. Currently I take benadryl (2 caps - 25mg each) and melatonin (1 cap - 3 mg) and while it was helping now I'm having a hard time sleeping all together (or getting to sleep) even with these two things. Once I do get to sleep, i'm fine (don't wake up) but when I do finally wake up, even with 8 hours of sleep or more, I feel like a zombie and find it VERY hard to get out of bed.
So i'm looking for other OTC things to try, before I head back to the doc. I've looked at mostly kava kava, but theres so many different options (paste, caps, tea) that I don't know where to buy or which to choose. Looking for things that won't be feel like I have a hangover, tired, etc. I need a better nights sleep, and I need to get to sleep faster (even going to sleep at 1AM) would be awesome.
I'm not one who gets addicted to things, so thats not my worry, however I don't want to test the waters if I don't need to.
I'm open to options at a decent price, I think kava may be my best bet, but then again i'm sure there is other stuff that can help me get to sleep faster.
Thanks in advance.
- 06-26-2010, 12:31 AM
- 06-26-2010, 09:17 AM
First what's your stim intake like?
One supplement that might help is L-Dopa / Bulk 1-Carboxy if you haven't tried that.
Sounds like you have some major issues.
06-26-2010, 12:15 PM
I would give up all caffeine. If you take in quite a bit, then gradually reduce it until you stop completely. The L-Dopa / Bulk 1-Carboxy suggestion is a good one. Some people respond to Valerian Root, and you could add Melatonin as well.
06-26-2010, 02:19 PM
Too much melatonin will leave you feeling "hungover." You could always try smoking mary jane if that's your thing.
06-26-2010, 06:17 PM
I would say melatonin, but like PublicEnemy said too much will leave you feeling groggy.
If you try to read or do something boring before you go to bed and avoid stimulants and television- it might help.
06-26-2010, 06:53 PM
Tried 1-Carboxy didn't work, however I could try again I didn't use for long.
As in my first post melatonin was helping but doesn't now. It's not that I can't fall asleep, its I fall asleep really late, I just need to figure out what will make me tired.
I don't drink much caffeine, and even so caffeine really doesn't do anything to me, I've drinking a ton of red-bulls before when I was super tired, and didn't help.
06-26-2010, 09:21 PM
Were you taking 1-Carboxy on an empty stomach? Since GH is antagonistic to insulin, if you eat a meal that elicits a substantial insulin response (i.e. carbs) it is going to completely negate any effects 1-Carboxy could have.
And I agree with television and stimulants... both are not conducive to good sleep.
06-26-2010, 09:31 PM
If i cant sleep i jack my meat.
06-26-2010, 11:08 PM
06-26-2010, 11:28 PM
the two best OTC sleep aids for me have been X-dream and Somnidren GH.
06-27-2010, 01:12 PM
1/4 Tsp should be ~800mg. I wouldn't take over 1/2 Tsp but you want to gradually build up to that.I'll try it on a empty stomach, I don't eat before bed so if it's going to work it will. I can't remember the dosing for it though.
06-27-2010, 01:35 PM
You might be dealing with some magnesium issues/deficiency.....sounds to me the issue is much more serious than popping a pill to relieve the issue. The other thing is it could also be a liver issue, do you at anytime get back up in the middle of night ?
I'm no expert by any means try out some magnesium citrate and an antioxidant blend to see if that has any effect getting your sleeping in order.
06-27-2010, 04:21 PM
06-27-2010, 04:44 PM
06-27-2010, 07:21 PM
I've always wanted to try X-Dream but its too spendy for my tastes. Although I am curious in the effects of the 3-hydroxy-GABA and bromo-melatonin... would anyone like to share some input?
Not a big fan of Somnidren because of the phenibut and PEA though...
06-27-2010, 07:41 PM
06-27-2010, 08:58 PM
Powerfull and Valerian Root? It's a combination I will be logging once I get back into the groove of things and begin lifting again. It'd be pretty neat to have a log run parallel to mine.
Valerian root acts similar to a benzodiazepine and will have a sedative effect 30 min. after ingestion. You can pair something up with the Valerian that will improve quality of sleep, hence, my Powerfull recommendation--no pun intended.
You could always try a little Valerian and Vagin...a
06-27-2010, 10:00 PM
PM me with any order questions and concerns
06-28-2010, 09:41 PM
06-28-2010, 09:42 PM
With the right dose yes
PM me with any order questions and concerns
06-28-2010, 09:43 PM
About Bulk 1-Carboxy, I have some and had it in my closet for a few months, now its in clumps and im assuming I'm not going to be able to use it. Does Bulk 1-Carboxy work well, meaning would it go good with the other 2 things?
06-28-2010, 10:52 PM
Sorry, I totally missed this until now. Anyways, for myself its just a matter of personal preference. I had some negative (i.e. addiction) experiences with PEA in conjunction with deprenyl last fall. Because of that I avoid the stuff like the plague. I also am not a big fan of potent GABAergic drugs (although they have given me a few good stories); I just feel that phenibut is a bit too powerful in effects and withdrawal symptoms.Care to elaborate on this, PE?
Tying this into Somnidren, I have never used it but I have no doubt it is an effective product. Although... I think it is irresponsible to market it as an ED supplement because of phenibut's suppressive nature. Just my two cents, which albeit, aren't really worth **** anyways.
I've used 1-Carboxy that has sat for a couple of months and it has worked just fine for me. The powder is just extremely hydroscopic. It would work quite well with phenibut but you might be feeling a bit groggy in the morning if you over dose.About Bulk 1-Carboxy, I have some and had it in my closet for a few months, now its in clumps and im assuming I'm not going to be able to use it. Does Bulk 1-Carboxy work well, meaning would it go good with the other 2 things?
As far as GABA is concerned... its great for systemic relaxation but it has minimal effects on the brain. If you're taking it to relax physically it will work, but IMO anything else is placebo. GABA has a very hard time crossing the BBB. 
 Kuriyama K, Sze PY (January 1971). "Blood-brain barrier to H3-gamma-aminobutyric acid in normal and amino oxyacetic acid-treated animals". Neuropharmacology 10 (1): 103–8. PMID 5569303.
07-02-2010, 09:37 PM
Ashwagandha + Valerian Root + Melatonin is a stack that I like. I believe both Ashwagandha and VR act on the GABA pathway.
Phenibut takes 3-4 hrs to notice anything for me and doesn't necessarily have as much effect on putting me to sleep as it does its anti-anxiety effects. Once asleep on Phenibut I can sleep for a while though.
07-04-2010, 10:38 AM
In the past Valerian root worked very well for me, cant remember how I felt waking up from it though cause this was years ago but it did help me sleep. I would also highly recommend no caffeine past 3-6pm.
07-04-2010, 04:30 PM
if you want to have some fun too jus take a hefty dose of phenibut.. great to have a trippy time and it most defiantly has anti anxiety properties
07-05-2010, 06:19 AM
07-06-2010, 09:34 AM
One thing I forgot to mention that's very important, don't wear sunglasses before 11am.
If you otherwise wont, try get 10-30 minutes morning sunlight on to your eyes between 7am-11am especially in winter, this helps adjust your sleep cycle.
07-08-2010, 04:04 PM
Turn off all light sources after 7pm and your body will get back into rhythm. I bet you watch TV in bed and do all kinds of crap like that.
07-08-2010, 10:35 PM
07-08-2010, 10:56 PM
1 Doxylamine succinate 25mg (generic unisom tabs, not the crappy gells, most powerful sedative sold a without script, and very safe.), 4 400mg valerian root, half 3mg melatonin
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07-08-2010, 11:29 PM
07-08-2010, 11:42 PM
07-08-2010, 11:49 PM
07-08-2010, 11:57 PM
Ill help you get rid of that damn sleeping! Do some meth. Youll be up for days.
07-09-2010, 12:27 AM
07-09-2010, 09:17 PM
07-10-2010, 07:49 PM
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Best sleep ive gotten is while i was using HGHpro by AI. Popped 4 caps 30 minutes before bed on an empty stomach and i was out like a light. You may wanna give it a shot.
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07-12-2010, 06:51 AM
Razorback, just curious ... when do you workout? When I used to exercise in the evenings after work it was more difficult to sleep at times. Now I get up and do weights and/or cardio first thing in the morning. I can barely keep my eyes open past 10 pm anymore.
Reading also helps to relax many people.
And I just scanned this whole thread and don't think I saw mention of trying L-theanine (or have some green tea) an hour before bedtime.
07-12-2010, 02:31 PM
Doxylamine succinate and melatonin have worked great so far. Got to bed an hour or so earlier then normal even waking up on the same cycle. I'am a bit tired but I feel ok once i'm up for a bit. I'm going to add in valerian root tonight.
I work out usually around 6PM, but it's the only possible time I can.
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